Positives from Todays game?
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Ice cream vendor had a good game
New big screens worked well
Cheerleaders looked solid
New big screens worked well
Cheerleaders looked solid
First of all, we played a veteran team without Cook and Jones, and Pemsl, our only front court player who can score, was in foul trouble. Positives were out-weighed heavily by the negatives, certainly, but the positives were that Jok was back in the shooting groove with 33 points, and the two freshmen, Bohannon and Pemsl, played very well on offense, with about 40 points between them. After that, hmmm. The rest of the team forgot to show up. Other posters will be happy to point out all the negatives.
We don't know what to expect from Jones now, and Cook wouldn't have helped at the defensive end.
Bohannon and Pemsl settling into roles as starters and scoring options #2 and #3.
Ellingson & Williams continuing to play themselves into lower minute shares on both ends of floor.
We played a lot of zone as well, which didn't help because they shot well and consistently sliced to the hoop. But we know its an option.
Ellingson & Williams continuing to play themselves into lower minute shares on both ends of floor.
We played a lot of zone as well, which didn't help because they shot well and consistently sliced to the hoop. But we know its an option.
There were stretches where we showed some desire to play defense and work the ball to the hot hand on offense. Problem is they need to understand that you have to do it the whole game.
Now you also have to realize you won't stop them everytime nor will you score everytime but your desire and effort and concentration have to be there every possession
Now you also have to realize you won't stop them everytime nor will you score everytime but your desire and effort and concentration have to be there every possession
We all knew this would be a rebuilding season. Is a noticable chemistry forming with the youngsters?
The only positive is it's 1 more of the 40 or so games played that this roster will need playing together to become a good basketball team.
Until then, there's going to be a lot of humiliating lessons/games like today's.
Until then, there's going to be a lot of humiliating lessons/games like today's.
Evidently you're not one the "going to sit back and have fun watching this season" guys?
Fran was able to help the Omaha coach in the recruiting department is a definite positive.
Our freshmen class looks good....... that is the only positive I can think of.
I will watch this year even if it does become a dumpster fire. Why? I think we have good young talent, Bohannon, Pemsl, Cook, Baer... Even Wagner rebounded well today and played good defense. UNO shot lights out. With Cook back and Bohannon gaining confidence I think we can salvage this season. Maybe NIT. OK, let me put my helmet on, come and get me.
The only positive was when the clock hit 00:00 so I could go home.
The announcers called it. IOwa would play good D for 20-25 seconds and then break down. Have to play good D the entire possession.
Positives - very athletic team. Bohannon can really shoot the rock. Pemsel is going to be a stud.
Negatives - won't play defense. They look like a great bunch of athletes who relied on their height, length and athleticism to get by in high school without learning how to play the game. This is typical of a lot of freshmen. Normally, a team could get by with starting one or maybe even two of these players if you had the upperclassmen to help them along. Unfortunately, we have to play too many of them and they will have to learn on the job.
Blocking out is pathetic. They stand and wait for the ball to come to them without putting a body on anyone. This can be learned to and is another symptom of bad high school habits.
Valuing each possession of the ball. Again, bad high school habits have to be overcome.
Fran has his hands full, but, I believe the talent is there to work with. Unfortunately, it will take a full year and this year will not be pretty, but, it will help set us up for the future.
Negatives - won't play defense. They look like a great bunch of athletes who relied on their height, length and athleticism to get by in high school without learning how to play the game. This is typical of a lot of freshmen. Normally, a team could get by with starting one or maybe even two of these players if you had the upperclassmen to help them along. Unfortunately, we have to play too many of them and they will have to learn on the job.
Blocking out is pathetic. They stand and wait for the ball to come to them without putting a body on anyone. This can be learned to and is another symptom of bad high school habits.
Valuing each possession of the ball. Again, bad high school habits have to be overcome.
Fran has his hands full, but, I believe the talent is there to work with. Unfortunately, it will take a full year and this year will not be pretty, but, it will help set us up for the future.
Wins aren't going to matter much this year. Very positive performances by Bohannon and Pemsl. Defense really looks much beyond for 20 seconds, but then we break down. Nothing that experience and age can't cure. I'm actually very excited about this team going to forward. It was never going to be easy this year.
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Positives:
1. Coach Fran did not get a technical foul.
2. Nicholas Baer did not get squeezed into a pancake.
3. No starter was seriously injured.
4. Bohannon made 6 three pointers.
5. Jok made a ton of free throws.
6. Williams had his playing time reduced
7. Uhl and Wagner did not wet their pants.
1. Coach Fran did not get a technical foul.
2. Nicholas Baer did not get squeezed into a pancake.
3. No starter was seriously injured.
4. Bohannon made 6 three pointers.
5. Jok made a ton of free throws.
6. Williams had his playing time reduced
7. Uhl and Wagner did not wet their pants.
Moss needs more minutes. Fran does a poor job managing minutes. Bohannon has shot well the last two games but is not a 35 minute per game player. Williams has some skills but is playing on "egg shells" at the moment. Bohannon had been doing nothing offensively until the last two games. Baer needs to come off the bench as he seems much more comfortable in that role. Uhl, you would never know he was in his junior year. Seems to lack intensity and continues to make the same mistakes. Hard to figure out.
We only need 5 more wins to be a tournament team. They all have to be in the Big Ten Tournament, but still, just 5 more wins!
One positive was Iowa held Neb-Omaha to under 100 points.
Ellingson should not be playing 19 minutes. He is too much of a defensive liability. He's a 3-5 minutes a game player.
Ellingson should not be playing 19 minutes. He is too much of a defensive liability. He's a 3-5 minutes a game player.
Agree with many comments. We do miss Cook because that's an easy 15-20 pts of offense gone.
I think Fran is playing too many guys that are not getting it done and should be starting Kreiner who is the only legit big man on the roster size wise. We are getting killed on the boards and at the rim. Maybe he's not ready but this season is a throw away so might as well play him.
I'd be playing both Moss and Dailey and not play Ellingson at all. He's hitting a few shots but is a liability everywhere else. Love the effort and tanaeousity of Wagner but what good does it do if you cannot make a bunny? Uhl has the weakest hands on the team losing countless balls on the court by not securing them. Williams is just sulking and playing with no confidence.
Baer gives tremendous effort and makes a bunch of sneaky plays but cannot defend on the ball at all. Playing him at the 3 is a mistake. He needs to come off the bench to provide energy. Too many 4's or wanna be 4's on this team; Cook, Baer, Pemsl & Wagner. None of them can play the 3 and only 2 of them the 5.
I think Fran is playing too many guys that are not getting it done and should be starting Kreiner who is the only legit big man on the roster size wise. We are getting killed on the boards and at the rim. Maybe he's not ready but this season is a throw away so might as well play him.
I'd be playing both Moss and Dailey and not play Ellingson at all. He's hitting a few shots but is a liability everywhere else. Love the effort and tanaeousity of Wagner but what good does it do if you cannot make a bunny? Uhl has the weakest hands on the team losing countless balls on the court by not securing them. Williams is just sulking and playing with no confidence.
Baer gives tremendous effort and makes a bunch of sneaky plays but cannot defend on the ball at all. Playing him at the 3 is a mistake. He needs to come off the bench to provide energy. Too many 4's or wanna be 4's on this team; Cook, Baer, Pemsl & Wagner. None of them can play the 3 and only 2 of them the 5.
You're right about Uhl. With one senior and only one true junior who's playing, Uhl would have to be a leader on this team for what occurred today not to happen. I think Jok knows how to play better D than he is, but he's at a loss when others aren't- he can't lead the team that way, only as a scorer. At least that's how it appears, because you know he wants to lead this team. This leaves the younger players learning D the hard way.
Too many players not getting it done.
So we still don't know where the hell we are after 10 games.
It's like trying to find a new closer in baseball.
And each guy you give the job to fails, so you keep going on down the line.
There are no roles because we still can't find the Starters.
So we still don't know where the hell we are after 10 games.
It's like trying to find a new closer in baseball.
And each guy you give the job to fails, so you keep going on down the line.
There are no roles because we still can't find the Starters.
Chad in the Register today basically said Jok shouldn't focus on defense because his offense is so valuable they can't afford to have him foul out or sit on the bench.
I'm more inclined to think he is leading by example to the Freshman.
And it's a bad example.
I'm more inclined to think he is leading by example to the Freshman.
And it's a bad example.
They don't sprint and move with the speed and urgency they need to on defense. They treat it like a time to rest.
That attitude must be changed by the coach through playing time and practice.
That attitude must be changed by the coach through playing time and practice.
Except the bench scored 9 points in 67 minutes of action. Unless we are going to hold our opponents to 30-40 points we still need some offense.
Baer 1-6
Wagner 1-7
Ellingson 1-4
Uhl 1-3
Williams 0-1
4-21 is who is going to pick up the slack for jok.
Let's say Jok gave 20 points today defensively but he scored 33 so that's plus 13 still.
True, but this season is a lost season. It's one where you should worry tomorrow. Iowa isn't making the NCAA tournament, Fran should be sending out some strong messages. If this was a Bob Knight coached team Jok would be sitting for a game until he started playing defense. So what they lose by 30 pts instead of 15 pts. The lesson the freshman are learning is we don't have to play D or put effort on that end of the court as long as we can score points. Knight benched those players so fast their heads would spin. Matador defense is unacceptable.
I'd rather see Fran send a message to the youngsters that if they don't play D, they don't play period.
I think it is rediculous that it will take a year to learn how to find a freaking guy and box out. Yes it will take time to continue to improve on D and rotating consistently. But my gosh Hawks learn to flipping box out. Gets old watching the same mistakes over and over
Positives......for those of you that were upset that Iowa wasn't on TV enough count your blessings, they play on Monday night 6PM on ESPNU against Stetson. Save your 18 bucks and watch them on TV if you must. Bohannan, Pemsl, Jok, Baer, Wagner, Moss, & when Cook gets back are worth watching....the rest of the roster is a complete waste of time. Oh well, maybe by McCaffery's tenth year they may again finish with a respectable record in the Big Ten....McCaffery was nicknamed "White Magic" for what reason again....LOL.
Bryce Cartwright is the only true point guard that this coaching staff has recruited in 7 years at Iowa....think about that, and how many true centers have seen the floor under this staff...heck Pemsl with a bad leg is more skilled around the basket as a freshmen then Woodbury ever dreamed he was.....OK, it's a long season so I'm leaving before I say more then I have already but playing defense is all about effort and so far this season I'm seen no effort from this team when they don't have the rock....maybe Fran's worst overall team since he's been here.....
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