Why? Biden is a sitting incumbent President. My opinion is he would be on the ticket regardless if Trump was running or not. How often does an incumbent President lose their party's nomination?
Presidential Dementia Olympics
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Why? Biden is a sitting incumbent President. My opinion is he would be on the ticket regardless if Trump was running or not. How often does an incumbent President lose their party's nomination?
You asked me about Gaslighting dems because MAGA blames them for Trump and in the next breath indicate that people WANT to vote for Trump. We all knew you did, and just gaslight dems in thinking it's their fault and they leave you "no choice". I miss @Lone Clone too somedays.
How does either side justify trotting out these two old men? It’s astounding that this country can’t produce better candidates. I’ve voted democrat for everything except president the past few cycles. I’m not voting for Hillary, Biden or Trump. It’s disgusting these are the people that are pushed through.
Aww, you poor baby. Does he need a hug? Those bad old MAGA people. They're so mean to you.
You asked me about Gaslighting dems because MAGA blames them for Trump and in the next breath indicate that people WANT to vote for Trump. We all knew you did, and just gaslight dems in thinking it's their fault and they leave you "no choice". I miss @Lone Clone too somedays.
JFC, grow up. Find a damn candidate who can beat Trump and stop blaming the people who want to vote for him.
I will say the same for the MAGA crowd. Find a damn candidate who can work with congress and senate. Right now, if he gets elected, we all have to deal with 4 years of liberals losing their ever f***ing mind, like we did in 2016-20.
Hills was 69 years old in 2016...Biden is pushing 82 and not looking good.
I'd say very rarely without looking it up. However, it is surprising that last year the DNC wasn't encouraging Joe to just retire and support another candidate moving towards 2024. A strong, competent candidate shouldn't have any issue defeating Trump...may even draw in some moderates, independents, libertarians, et al.
There's zero shame in retiring. At least there shouldn't be.
some people really seem to struggle with the concept of following an interaction or discussion
You asked me about Gaslighting dems because MAGA blames them for Trump and in the next breath indicate that people WANT to vote for Trump. We all knew you did, and just gaslight dems in thinking it's their fault and they leave you "no choice". I miss @Lone Clone too somedays.
they just make the comment they want to make, whether it has anything to do with the conversation or not
Yes you are correct in that the incumbent does not lose their parties nomination (looking like only 1 time in history with Franklin Pierce in the 1850's) BUT on the flip side of this if you are using history as a precedent, the previous oldest president at the END of their term was Reagan at almost 78 years old. Biden would be 86 if he wins reelection........so throwing political affiliation aside, it is clear Biden has some mental/cognitive decline, which is nothing against him, he is old and doing the most stressful job in the world, so I would think if the incumbent were ever to lose the nomination this election would make sense as I do think its fair to say Biden will not be in the correct cognitive state at 86 to run a country.
Again, just personal opinion for me, I just feel if the GOP was in shambles, had a weak candidate no one backed (or multiple splitting them up, etc) and it appeared it would be an easy win for the Dem's regardless of who they put up that Biden would remove himself from the ticket.
Just my opinion (and sadly it appears neither of us will find out who is right because it appears Trump will be the GOP choice)
Hey, straight down the middle guy. I am pretty sure the democrats have someone that can beat Trump. Maybe Republicans should find a candidate that can actually beat Biden instead of gleefully supporting a rapist with 90+ felony counts. Just a thought.
Guess we'll see if any of that matters come Nov.
You're probably right though. Biden did say that LBJ is predicting a Democrat win.
You act like not choosing a side is a back thing in politics.
Why wouldn't being a rapist facing 90+ felony counts matter to voters?
Of course not choosing a side is fine. Most of us just like to laugh at those of you who call yourselves "independents" because you don't have the courage to admit you're in a cult.
You're first statement is what the Democrats said and have repeated it over and over to make it come true. He has been charged with 91 counts; those cases seem to be falling apart as we speak. But Trump has his day in court to fight the case. He was never found guilty of rape. He was suited and lost. OJ was found not guilty but lost the same case in a lawsuit. Now with what's coming out in Jack's cases and Fani's cases, people are seeing that the Biden administration has been connected to the charging of Trump.
Most "us calling ourselves independents" have called the left a cult since the days of hippies and buses.
So, the only thing I will admit to is that the left thinks everyone who doesn't see things exactly the way they do are then you must be rightwing or in a cult. Nazis did that BTW. So, who really is the cult. People on here applauded the IRS going after people for money. Nazis did that also. Only they were more ruthless at it. You call the right fascists but yet believe socialism is the answer and appoint people by their race and not credentials. That is the very definition of fascist. The left is just as much a cult, maybe even more, then the MAGA crowd.
Apparently it’s too f’n much to ask of either party.
Why are we fighting over who is the least terrible candidate instead of demanding better people to put on the ballot?
This is self implosion 101.
I think if Trump wasn't running Joe might have chosen to not run. There is no way the party would ever tell an incumbent President not to run again.
You're right, but other candidates were out there as a choice.
Why risk splitting the party like happened in some cases in 2016 when Trump is so dangerous? The Dems need to stay united behind one candidate.
If the Dems could put up a strong candidate who could defeat Trump it could very well force R’s to get behind another candidate from their side as well.
It’s what is so obvious but so frustrating to me.
It wouldn't matter who the Dems put up, Trump is the Republican party until more than a handful of Republicans stand up to him. The Democrats are in NO WAY responsible for Trump! Direct your Trump frustration at the Republican Party.
OK. I get why you say that. It's all about the team instead of what's best for the country.
You know what's funny, the left is so blind they don't understand that Trump isn't the problem. He can be beat if they would only put a candidate that doesn't see dead people, shake hand with the air or can find they way off a stage. Biden is so wrapped up with special interest groups he can't even keep track of what's important and what's not. Then left gets on here and somehow thinks that people like us are MAGA because we don't like either candidate. JFC, just give us someone who can form sentences and not be so damn divisive in their policies and I'd vote for them no questions asked. Both parties have forced other candidates off the ballot and now are trying to force each other off the ballot. It's just crazy.
Right now what's best for the country is not reelecting Donald Trump. Don't you agree or would you be fine with Trump as President again?
the democrats presumptive nominee has already defeated trump
the reaction from the gop to that defeat....was to overwhelmingly support trump in the next election
if you don't like trump...blame it on the people nominating and supporting him, not the people opposing him
Not a big Biden supporter, but have you all forgotten that Biden already beat Trump once? That most of the people indorsed by Trump have lost over the past few years? I get polls are close depending on the poll, but none are serious until about 60-90 days out. Trump has a very solid base, but has many legal hurdles that really should be damaging, but seems most have not cared yet so maybe they still won't. Biden has inflation cooling and economy in good shape... if that remains heading into fall that will be hard to overcome. That said, it's really disappointing that we have these two as our choices.
Yes, it's the Democrats' fault that the Republicans happily bent over for the last 8ish year for a conman grifter. It's also their fault that they Republicans and Republican voters have zero backbone to go against said conman.
You're a moron if you blame the Dems for Trump being re-elected. The majority of the GOP voters want Trump. That's not the Dems fault.
Right?!? Why on earth would democrats think Biden could beat Trump?????
Your party is more than welcome to nominate someone better than an indicted felon with a penchant for raping women.
No gaslighting is telling us there is no problem for three years then all of a sudden wanting a new rushed law (because your polling numbers are awful)that does very little to fix the border crossing issue all while you do nothing to enforce the laws that are already on the books.
You know that that bill was being worked on for months... probably 1/2 a year. Wasn't rushed. The only thing out of the ordinary that happened was Trump letting it be known he didn't want it passed... otherwise it would have.
Nope. You don't get to do that. You're party has been crying 2 weeks into Biden's presidency about the border. It's the Republicans' number one issue. NUMBER ONE thing we've been gaslighted about. Here is a chance to accept a bill created by a very conservative senator from Oklahoma. Trump, who isn't in the government, told Johnson he couldn't vote on it. So from here on out, every single illegal that gets into the US is on Trump and your bullshit party.
If the border is so goddamned important, you should be pissed your party won't vote on it. But you're a hack and a dupe, so here we are.
What democrats gaslighted you saying their were no issues whatsoever at the border?
Have you noticed that Biden always has to use the short stairs to get on Air Force One?
How long before they have to use the cargo elevator to get Joey aboard?
How long before they have to use the cargo elevator to get Joey aboard?
I actually think in this particular scenario of assuming Trump was no longer in the picture that the Dem's WOULD ask Joe to step down (even though it contradicts history in regards to the incumbent as you say) BUT I also think that would be easier said than done assuming Biden had a viable Vice President everyone felt comfortable with.....but instead there is Kamala.
Truly that's kind of the white elephant in the room I think.....would be a lot easier to "put Joe out to pasture" if you could just plug his competent VP in there in his place, but I don't think that anybody feels that way. Plus the thought of Joe kicking the bucket in office or needing to step down because of health issues which would lead to the Presidency being handed to Kamala would scare people too....
Maybe this is a better question for this thread:
Will Kamala be retained for Joe's VP in the 2024 ticket?
(looks like the last time an incumbent President switch VP's for his re-election campaign was 1976 with Gerald Ford switch to Bob Dole over his original VP Nelson Rockefeller)
No way in hell. Too late in the process and it'd piss off too much of the D base. No way to toss her gracefully.
And sadly Biden is why we might have Trump again. What a sad time in life.
