I agree. Same as Nolf! Straight on guys like Joe Williams or Chris Bono are gonna have less injuries as they have less torque on the body
Press Release: Kemerer having season-ending surgery
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Cassar got injured at Junior Worlds in 2015, and it kept him out for basically a year. My take always has been that he wasn’t getting much aid, and was out of state ($$) and unable to wrestle anyway, hence the decision to stay at home while he recovered.
https://www.flowrestling.org/articl...tlers-registered-for-junior-world-team-trials
How does Kemerer getting a sixth year affect Iowa’s scholarship money for the class of 2020? Jesse Ybarra has been wrestling exceptionally and moved to the 14th p4p recruit in the country. Can we afford him, Schriever, and Kennedy now?
That’s getting ahead of things. Who knows if Kem will seek it, and if so if the NCAA would grant it? What if there is any attrition from the existing plan? Plus I thought the staff cannot even discuss the exact aid package until July 1 before the senior year.
He already stated he would be seeking a 6th year.
Got it, thanks Chief. But isn’t the petition like 16-18 months out? That’s what was going through my mind.
Whether he gets it or not matters to the team and fans. But let’s assune he does, how does a MRS affect the scholly allotment?
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Another thing that's ridiculous about how medical redshirts work. It's not fair to either the athlete or the program to wait that long to give them a ruling.
You're getting ahead of yourself..I think it's fair things play out before anyone makes a ruling...
Think of it like this.,,Doctors says he having season ending surgery..somehow Kem makes early recovery and ends up competing in March..they can't rule on something until after the season to see how it plays out.
Same things with trying to get the extra year. Why would you rule on something before you're out of eligibility? Let's say Kem is out this year as expected, wrestles next year and then decides he's done wrestling? Or many other things that can happen, between now and that time.
I get it..as a fan, you want to know so you can visualize your lineup and try to figure who goes where, etc. But from a compliance stance, I think the way they do it is fine.
Gravina and Ashnault got word they were eligible for the extra year after they were out of eligibility which is how it should be IMO
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That's not an issue at all. What I'm proposing wouldn't make it so a student athlete could circumvent the system and get a 7th year....The rules should be objective and clear so there is no guessing or waiting for a ruling during his final semester. Let's say the rules are objective and we knew right now that he would be granted a medical redshirt and 6th year of eligibility, if he still was able to return and compete at Big Tens and Nationals this year, that would then make him ineligible for the medical redshirt. Him choosing to compete this season would override the ruling since the ruling was made on the premise of him being out for the year with season ending surgery.
This has nothing to do with fans wanting to visualize a lineup. This has to do with letting the student athlete have a plan for their future. The majority of wrestlers do not go on to have a career in wrestling. Knowing in advance whether or not they'll be granted a 6th year gives them more time and opportunities to set up things like internships or prepare for their careers or grad school once they graduate. Having to wait until the last minute for the NCAA to rule directly affects this and is bad for the student athlete.
It also could potentially affect scholarship distribution and recruiting for the coach and program.
Having to wait until the athlete is about to graduate and then tell them at the last minute "oh wait we're going to grant you another year" is absurd.
This has nothing to do with fans wanting to "visualize the lineup".
I would be willing to bet the staff can get "creative" given your scenario. Wouldn't surprise me in the least that other guys on scholly might be willing to take a little less to make it all work out. Don't underestimate the mindest to be on a team that can win Nationals.
Also don't know what the current rules are regarding "camp" $$$, but in year's past... that was always an option.
They'll find a way to keep guys happy.
On Cael's radio show last night he gave a little insight on the extra year thing. A question was brought to him about Cassar getting another year. I'm paraphrasing but he basically he said he's a no brainer "even under the old rules" which were you had to show 2 yrs injured to receive the extra year. He said based on what they doing recently anyone that misses one year due to injury has been getting them..so as far as Kem goes..I believe they have to follow suit otherwise there can be some lawsuits involved and NCAA doesn't want that.
He mentioned it seems they want to give kids the opportunity to compete in 4 conference tournies and if you miss one due to injury, they don't want to take that away
A nice little tidbit he also mentioned is they are looking to get Shakur another year as well
He mentioned it seems they want to give kids the opportunity to compete in 4 conference tournies and if you miss one due to injury, they don't want to take that away
A nice little tidbit he also mentioned is they are looking to get Shakur another year as well
2014-15 He wrestled 18 matches as a redshirt
2015-16 Shoulder surgery after injury at junior worlds, missed the season
2016-17 Second shoulder surgery, missed another season
2017-18 Competed
2018-19 Competing
2019-20 Hopes to compete
It was 2015-16 that he was not enrolled at Penn State.
How does that qualify as taking a year off "just to tack one on at the end."
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He was an unranked recruit who went 12-6 during his redshirt year. How much scholarship money do you think was freed up by his decision to rehab at home?
well add Stoll to that list then too. I fully expect Cael to game this now. Look for his backups to get season ending injuries just before conferences. Grey shirting and this, he will have a lot of ways to work the system. Always thinking about the best for his athletes.
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If you wrestle 3 dates or 30% of the schedule you can't get a medical.You cant wrestle all year and get hurt at the end of the year and get a medical.If it was like that every coach in the country would do that not just Cael.
I could see Stoll getting another year but not sure Iowa wants that with Cassioppi
Maybe Cassioppi could just take a year off and they could line some "camps" up for him to keep him busy and he could get a 6th year too.
Give an example of Cael “gaming the system?” Cassar was injured for 2 yrs. 2 separate surgeries. Shak wrestled 2 competition dates the one year and was injured the rest of the year.
If a kids injured and wrestled less than 3 competition dates why would you not want the kid to have an opportunity to fulfill his dreams?
Can’t have it both ways. So your OK with Kem getting and extra year but not Shakur or Cassar?
Listen. I know your an Iowa fan but that’s BS. I want to see Kem get a chance to chase his dream and I don’t want an injury to derail that. I don’t understand how you wouldn’t want that for anyone
Is Kem a stretch in your opinion? Similar situations. Both guys injured and miss a competition year. Shak wrestles 2 dates the year he was injured.
They both wrestled enough in their redshirt years to not qualify based on the “old” rules.
If NCAA sticks to old rules then Kem nor Shak get an extra year
We’ll know after this year. If Shak gets extra year then you know Kem will the following year when he applies. If Shak gets denied then Kem will get denied.
I honestly felt we can reach across party lines here and agree we want to see kids get a chance if they miss a competition year due to injury
Don is full-on Conspiracy Clown Show today. You guys are falling for his clumsy, low-budget tricks.
No Cassioppi is ready to go he doesn't need another year
Maybe he could do well enough this spring to qualify for an Olympic redshirt while Stoll gets his 6th year in.
You keep acting like you know what you are talking about on this. But maybe they will look at these things individually. Like a returning all american who misses the whole season is not the same as a guy who was arguably third string gets surgery half way through the season.
Here is an article with Cael referencing having 2 guys that could be going instead of Hall on the 31st of Jan. https://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/01/as_wrestling_season_winds_down.html
To me that is gaming the system.
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Yep if they're going to hand out 6th years to guys who backups and then got injured at end of the season, that is going to create quite the loophole.
With all these serious injuries PSU is having maybe they should be thinking about their training methods. Seems like something unhealthy is going on over there. I am worried about their guys.
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To me they're different. Rasheed wasn't the starter that year, and never was going to be. To me, this is gaming the system to get an extra year for Rasheed. Cassar is different. Kem is different.
https://bwi.rivals.com/news/bwi-s-wrestling-notebook-jan-12-/printable Another article on him having what seems to be something that was not going to keep him out all season. This to me is gaming the system. And coaches pushing this type of redshirt is just like pushing the grey area with the RTCs and will come back to bite everyone in the butt. I mean it is actually nice that they are being reasonable with situations lately but it will not last if this starts to be a thing. I can honestly say if this was an Iowa guy in the same boat I would think it was a long shot and a little shady. Would i want it to go through, sure.
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He will be Iowa resident so he will not need as much scholarship money, if he wrestles in 2020. Good luck and speedy recovery Kem!
If your parents or parent still claim you as a dependent in your home state you can't get in state tuition.Not saying that will apply to Kem just something most people aren't aware of.
Kem is supposed to be a pretty smart guy, wouldn't be shocked if academics pay for a lion's share of his masters.
Iowa MBA offers a ton of aide.
When I was applying they offered me grants and scholarships for 100% coverage including room and board. I went elsewhere since I wasn’t keen on moving to Iowa for two years (my family is in NY/NJ. Couldn’t leave), but they don’t make an MBA a financial burden.
On a lot of levels this could be a blessing in disguise for MK. Not that I wish anyone to get hurt, but if he looks, plenty of new doors are wide open for him to sprint through.
Not sure if this will come into play for 6th years or not but I am lead to believe there has been recent changes to rules regarding lowering athlete's scholarship amounts. Basically they have made it very hard to lower their scholarship amount. They are trying to discourage coaches getting upperclassman that they have developed strong relationships with to give up scholarships only to be taken care of by their clubs a year or 2 down the road. Many coaches call it The Penn State rule.
I haven't heard that at all as a matter of fact more schools are having kids sign 1 year deals
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