Pretty sure Trump and Vance were fuming after this Prayer
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the point is simply that there is a very easy way to discuss mercy, and to pray that the government be one of compassion, without poking him in the eye.
there is no way to directly address something trump disagrees with without him and his followers interpreting it as "poking him in the eye"
the search for their own persecution is their defining trait
The “grassroots” republicans haven’t existed in a long time. I’m assuming you thought you were being funny.
They are definitely not offering the other cheek, that's for sure.
Trump demands apology, criticizes bishop’s prayer service remarks
President Trump early Wednesday morning slammed the reverend at a National Cathedral prayer service for the inauguration who called on him to have mercy on transgender children and immigrant families. Trump, in a lengthy post on Truth Social, called Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde’s remarks “nasty”...
Trump demands apology, criticizes bishop’s prayer service remarks
beg for forgiveness/demand forgiveness
Trump demands apology, criticizes bishop’s prayer service remarks
President Trump early Wednesday morning slammed the reverend at a National Cathedral prayer service for the inauguration who called on him to have mercy on transgender children and immigrant families. Trump, in a lengthy post on Truth Social, called Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde’s remarks “nasty”...www.yahoo.com
Trump demands apology, criticizes bishop’s prayer service remarks
potato/potato
The biggest take away from this whole thing is that it reemphasizes the importance of separation of church and state.
However, unfortunately Christendom has been in bed with the world's governments for centuries.
Jesus himself said his followers were no part of the world, as he was no part of the world. This basic truth escapes most when dealing with issues of politics and religion.
This kind of social sermon has no business coming from any professed teacher of the Bible.
However, unfortunately Christendom has been in bed with the world's governments for centuries.
Jesus himself said his followers were no part of the world, as he was no part of the world. This basic truth escapes most when dealing with issues of politics and religion.
This kind of social sermon has no business coming from any professed teacher of the Bible.
Mike Collins should be added to somebody's list.
He's just a deranged, depraved sociopath. Way to go Republican party! Way to go 50% of voters! 4 yrs of this, I'm sure it will end well putting this psycho back in control of the country!
As someone with the letters M.Div after my name, I can tell you that the credentialed clergy are in lockstep behind the Bishop. She demonstrated immense bravery and faithfulness.
Such a Christian thing for you to say. Please enlighten us more on how to be good people of faith.
He got upset in a different thread about capitalizing the word "trans" and can't get AIDS right.
True, the "follow my way or forget about Heaven" is the least woke part, and its why I don't buy into that bullshit.
Though, since AIDS killed thousands of heterosexuals too, technically might be correct.
This American Life had a piece this week about the Ukraine war and Trump/Elon taking over. There are apparently a lot of Ukrainians that are under the impression Trump is just saying these things to get elected, but will definitely still keep helping them fight Russia. I have a feeling they're in for a rude awakening.
This cannot be farther from the truth and you know it.
The pastor decided to cast judgement at a distasteful time. She should have remembered Matthew 7:5 first and foremost and had the opportunity to point people to Jesus. Instead, she just pointed her finger at Trump.
Many in clergy would not agree with the position she took. They would not have done what she said. A lot of the same clergy also don’t care to get involved in the debate (much smarter than all of us here)!
FWIW - anyone can get a silly M.Div. Acceptance of Christ is not a requirement.
The synoptic gospels might be more your speed. John is more symbolism and poetry. Focusing on Jesus talking about the way is a less exclusivist interpretation of that verse.
lol.
I said credentialed clergy, not some guy who woke up and decided he was qualified to lead a non-denom. And yes, all of the credentialed clergy groups that I am a part of (thousands) are in united in agreement. Especially when it comes to immigration, the bible is explicitly clear on that one and even conservative credentialed clergy are almost unanimous in agreement.
Trump went off on her on X. So no he wasn't fine. He went full-on dick afterward.
I know this is difficult for your kind to understand. It's ok to do things for others. It's called empathy something the right lacks.
Sure…as all the poor rural places in the US vote conservative and the corporate hungry money grubbers in the city vote liberal.
Face it, the Conservative Party IS the grassroots party.
The threats she will receive are part of Orange dictators method of controlling people. Hopefully she doesn’t fall out of a window (pardons will be granted if so…)
You will need to provide some data to support your claims. There are many established groups who want to work to care for the less fortunate and immigrate (legally) as many as possible but also demonstrate a clear respect for the rule of law ("give to Caesar what is Caesar," Romans 13, etc).
My church belongs to a coalition spanning the southwestern United States (hundreds of thousands) and does not take the stance you are suggesting is "mainstream." We align mainly to Baptist but do not participate in the SBC. All pastorial leadership and teaching pastors are M. Div credentialed or greater. FWIW, my friend worked to get his M. Div and works in semi-conductors....
I would like to understand how you arrived at your assertion with details, please. Can you define "groups I am a part of" to clarify for the record?
Bottom line - a good pastor should consistently and always point people to Jesus. She did not do that. She pointed to Trump with her own agenda instead of Jesus's agenda.
I am ordained clergy in a mainline denomination. In order to become ordained clergy in a mainline denomination you need to have a Bachelor's degree, a 3-4 year Master of Divinity Degree, go through a year of practical experience, be reviewed by an examination board for many years before approval for ordination. Following ordination you are given a mentor and required to complete annual continuing education, boundary training, and anti-racism training. We are then required to participate in ongoing support groups for education and accountability. In addition to that we undergo a full FBI background check.
I participate in a number of clergy groups who represent the thousands of clergy of which I have just described. I assure you, for those who have completed an M.Div at an accredited seminary my stance is vastly more common than yours. Her message was a direct reference to the sermon on the mount. If you have a problem with that your issue is with Jesus, not me. Or her.
Edited to add: Re your reference to render unto Ceaser what is Caeser's is a misinterpretation. A misinterpretation that has been utilized far too often to justify that which Jesus fought against. That text is trying convey the message that there is nothing that is Caeser's which is not God's.
Name your denomination please. No need to hide it, right?
And I guarantee, nothing in the process you described is specific to your denomination.
I think that we agree about Jesus’s Caesar remark. But, do not forget the context and who Jesus was speaking to (Pharisees). Just as Jesus said and Paul confirms, God raises up leaders and Earthly governments and we are instructed to adhere to them.
I would encourage you to expand your awareness base a bit. There is no shortage of Christian leaders today loudly and publicly supporting the Bishop. If her words struck you in a way that made you uncomfortable I would encourage you to sit in that discomfort. Go read the sermon on the mount. Read some Matt 25. And then spend some time in prayer and see where your faith, not your politics, guides you.
So you are choosing not to name your denomination? How do you quantify this “no shortage?” By what measure or poll are you referring to?
I’ll ask you some simple questions:
- Do you think Budde gave a sermon or a lecture?
- Did she point people to Christ’s grace and redemptive power? Or did she point to Trump specifically?
- Is her role primarily to spread the Gospel or other? If the former, did she do it Monday? If the latter, what is her role?
i'd love for you to turn this critical eye toward the politician that routinely uses christianity as a cudgel, yet cannot name favorite verse and has stated asking forgiveness from god is not necessary
that bishop who advocated for others though...you're all over that one
