Proof that some conspiracies are real.

[Aegon_Targaryen]

JFK-Why did the magic bullet simply pass through(magically), and the bullet shot as JFK's head explode? Those who know bullets and guns, know this indicates two different bullet types. Would Oswald use two different bullet types? Plus, lets face it, three dead prominent Kennedy men, 2 of which were known to be assassinated, and another who went down in a mysterious plane crash. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, so forget about fooling me a third time.

9-11, if the NIST report is what we should all go by, then why has it been debunked countless times and why does it have so many outright lies in it? Such as saying, NO witnesses heard explosions, saying there was no molten metal at the bottom of the wreckage, and completely ignoring that there simply wasn't enough heat to have caused the collapse as it happened?
Also certain parts of the report, have been held back from the public.

Osama Bin Laden- This one is easy, show me ONE little piece of physical evidence. DNA, pictures, video, etc,...Hell!, even the DNA evidence report for yodas sake. Fact is, OBL died before this incident and likely had been dead for years, as the Taliban reported in 2001.
We could ask his wife that was apparently there, but no one knows where she is. We've seen movies, books, etc, about this, all of which are usually different in story, and yet NO physical evidence whatsoever.

Also rumors that members of that particular Seal team may have been killed in Afghanistan during a helo op. Some douche in Washington said it wasn't them, but who the #R$# really knows? They lie about this all the time.

 

[TexMichFan]

You are a little short on proof and long on theories.

People believe what they want. A conspiracy can be made for every event in human history.

 

[hawkeye54545]

Not sure you understand what "proof" means.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

Not sure you understand what "proof" means.

I do, I'd like to see the proof that Bin Laden was killed that day. Show me a picture of his body, the video they said they had, the DNA evidence, something.

I have LOADS and LOADS of proof of all of this being conspiracy. But that would take days.

 

[TexMichFan]

I do, I'd like to see the proof that Bin Laden was killed that day. Show me a picture of his body, the video they said they had, the DNA evidence, something.

I have LOADS and LOADS of proof of all of this being conspiracy. But that would take days.

How do you know your proof is not put out by people trying to hide the truth?

The best way to hide truth is to throw out something to try and deflect it.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/16/AR2007051601967.html
In a collision of 21st-century science and decades-old conspiracy theories, a research team that includes a former top FBI scientist is challenging the bullet analysis used by the government to conclude that Lee Harvey Oswald alone shot the two bullets that struck and killed President John F. Kennedy in 1963.


The "evidence used to rule out a second assassin is fundamentally flawed," concludes a new article in the Annals of Applied Statistics written by former FBI lab metallurgist William A. Tobin and Texas A&M University researchers Cliff Spiegelman and William D. James.

The researchers' re-analysis involved new statistical calculations and a modern chemical analysis of bullets from the same batch Oswald is purported to have used. They reached no conclusion about whether more than one gunman was involved, but urged that authorities conduct a new and complete forensic re-analysis of the five bullet fragments left from the assassination in Dallas.

"Given the significance and impact of the JFK assassination, it is scientifically desirable for the evidentiary fragments to be re-analyzed," the researchers said.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

How do you know your proof is not put out by people trying to hide the truth?

The best way to hide truth is to throw out something to try and deflect it.

Pentagon officials recently disclosed to the Associated Press (AP) that they could not find any photo or video evidence to confirm that Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was killed in the Navy Seal raid in Pakistan a year ago.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323364

 

[hawkeye54545]

OIT's bat signal just went off.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

OIT's bat signal just went off.

Your inability to see truth is your own problem.

 

[TexMichFan]

Pentagon officials recently disclosed to the Associated Press (AP) that they could not find any photo or video evidence to confirm that Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was killed in the Navy Seal raid in Pakistan a year ago.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323364

So is he still alive? Do we have him at Gitmo? Did we never have him?

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

So is he still alive? Do we have him at Gitmo? Did we never have him?

No he's been dead, just like the Taliban told us in late 2002.
Notice we finally 'capture and kill him' after we start the troop withdrawals. Most troops were gone by then. No more need for the boogey man.
KSM was the real mastermind and he is already in GITMO by the way.

 

[KitingHigh]

I wouldn't be suprised if you are right about OSB.

 

[Tom Paris]

So the guy who wrote No Easy Day just made the whole thing up?

 

[Ried#3]

I don't believe in these conspiracies. I don't think we know the whole truth but close to it. Like.....ballpark close.

 

[DanL53]

Aegon, I can't answer your questions but perhaps you can answer mine. Right after Oswald shot Kennedy, why did he behave like someone who was trying to get away from people who knew he was there, as opposed to just running away?

Theory. Everything up to the moment that Oswald walked out of the Depository went down just like we've been told. One shooter, Oswald. However, the planning was done by more than just him, the escape was expected to take place when he stepped out to the street. When Oswald figured out no getaway driver was waiting, he knew he'd been had.

He not only knew he'd been had, but upon that realization knew he'd likely be killed. Tracing his movements it then becomes more clear why he wasn't sure what to do. He was panicking. And he was prepared to kill anyone who threatened him. That's why and how the cop was shot, Oswald thought it was someone disguised as a cop. Oswald wasn't trying to escape by watching a movie. He was hiding from his killers, whether he'd seen them or just knew they were out there somewhere.

My best evidence? The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Continuity. We are supposed to believe Oswald planned this all on his own and then not only had no plan for escape but acted completely irrationally? That's two different people! No, what makes sense is someone planned it, he believed he was working with someone else. They crossed him. He wandered about confused and dangerous.

I don't know if it ties in to Ruby. I don't like the buffoon that Ruby was and don't believe he would have been the method to shut Oswald up. Personally, I think Ruby acted before the real killer could.

Or, everything Oswald knew was a lie. If caught his handlers would have welcomed his statements as he was turned completely backwards as to who had been helping him. (Which makes the CIA even more suspect in my mind and they could have pulled that off.)

 

[TexMichFan]

Aegon, I can't answer your questions but perhaps you can answer mine. Right after Oswald shot Kennedy, why did he behave like someone who was trying to get away from people who knew he was there, as opposed to just running away?

Theory. Everything up to the moment that Oswald walked out of the Depository went down just like we've been told. One shooter, Oswald. However, the planning was done by more than just him, the escape was expected to take place when he stepped out to the street. When Oswald figured out no getaway driver was waiting, he knew he'd been had.

He not only knew he'd been had, but upon that realization knew he'd likely be killed. Tracing his movements it then becomes more clear why he wasn't sure what to do. He was panicking. And he was prepared to kill anyone who threatened him. That's why and how the cop was shot, Oswald thought it was someone disguised as a cop. Oswald wasn't trying to escape by watching a movie. He was hiding from his killers, whether he'd seen them or just knew they were out there somewhere.

My best evidence? The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Continuity. We are supposed to believe Oswald planned this all on his own and then not only had no plan for escape but acted completely irrationally? That's two different people! No, what makes sense is someone planned it, he believed he was working with someone else. They crossed him. He wandered about confused and dangerous.

I don't know if it ties in to Ruby. I don't like the buffoon that Ruby was and don't believe he would have been the method to shut Oswald up. Personally, I think Ruby acted before the real killer could.

Or, everything Oswald knew was a lie. If caught his handlers would have welcomed his statements as he was turned completely backwards as to who had been helping him. (Which makes the CIA even more suspect in my mind and they could have pulled that off.)

The only flaw in your theory that I can see is why would the planners hang Oswald out to dry? If he was caught wouldn't the planners be concerned that Oswald would talk. It would have made more sense to pick Oswald up and then have him commit suicide with a note saying he did it.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

The only flaw in your theory that I can see is why would the planners hang Oswald out to dry? If he was caught wouldn't the planners be concerned that Oswald would talk. It would have made more sense to pick Oswald up and then have him commit suicide with a note saying he did it.

no, Oswald was a commie patsy, in on the plan, but then they railroaded him, he states he was a patsy, then they took him out.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

See, they made sure Oswald was there, they ambushed kennedy with like 9 shots, several different locations, maybe 6 or 7, six or seven different guns, then set up Oswald, because he was there

 

[LifelongHawk]

Don't go to a movie theater if the OP is attending.

 

[WORTHYWISH]

That face ya make when someone says he believes in the magic bullet theory...

 

[Titanhawk2]

JFK-Why did the magic bullet simply pass through(magically), and the bullet shot as JFK's head explode? Those who know bullets and guns, know this indicates two different bullet types. Would Oswald use two different bullet types? Plus, lets face it, three dead prominent Kennedy men, 2 of which were known to be assassinated, and another who went down in a mysterious plane crash. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, so forget about fooling me a third time.

9-11, if the NIST report is what we should all go by, then why has it been debunked countless times and why does it have so many outright lies in it? Such as saying, NO witnesses heard explosions, saying there was no molten metal at the bottom of the wreckage, and completely ignoring that there simply wasn't enough heat to have caused the collapse as it happened?
Also certain parts of the report, have been held back from the public.

Osama Bin Laden- This one is easy, show me ONE little piece of physical evidence. DNA, pictures, video, etc,...Hell!, even the DNA evidence report for yodas sake. Fact is, OBL died before this incident and likely had been dead for years, as the Taliban reported in 2001.
We could ask his wife that was apparently there, but no one knows where she is. We've seen movies, books, etc, about this, all of which are usually different in story, and yet NO physical evidence whatsoever.

Also rumors that members of that particular Seal team may have been killed in Afghanistan during a helo op. Some douche in Washington said it wasn't them, but who the #R$# really knows? They lie about this all the time.

1 - don't know bullets real well, but I imagine a bullet reacts differently when hitting bone than when passing through muscle
2 - As most of lived through and saw this, I'm not sure why any report is necessary to validate what was witnessed or has become public knowledge
3 - So the Navy SEAL is a liar?

 

[DanL53]

The only flaw in your theory that I can see is why would the planners hang Oswald out to dry? If he was caught wouldn't the planners be concerned that Oswald would talk. It would have made more sense to pick Oswald up and then have him commit suicide with a note saying he did it.

Alright. I like to think I can make up guesswork and have it turn out sounding good.

Oswald's whole past is suspect. Sure, anyone can be in the military and learn to shoot a gun. But speak Russian, travel to the Soviet Union, return and then be involved in a mysterious meeting in Mexico before JFK's assassination? Something beyond just wandering nutjob is up with this guy.

So, his handlers portray themselves as Supporters of the Castro regime. As Oswald was. These are most likely CIA guys who have had enough of Kennedy, and after the Cuban Missile Crisis believe he's going to give away the farm or get us all killed. Pulling the wool over Oswald is simple. I men, look at the guy!

So the plan is, Oswald kills Kennedy and not only does that solve problem number one, but if he is captured and spills the beans he's blabbing about some Communist plot! Because that's what he thinks it was.

What did these guys want? A long term investigation and manhunt? A dead Oswald? (That's not so bad.) Or better still a captured Oswald who is himself, even as he screams "patsy" just another piece of the plan for the Anti-Castro CIA to turn up the heat on Cuba?

Once Oswald was coached properly, once the assassination was started, these guys had every possible outcome planned and prepared for...

..the way to figure out who they were is to figure out who was in Mexico with Oswald.

 

[TexMichFan]

Alright. I like to think I can make up guesswork and have it turn out sounding good.

Oswald's whole past is suspect. Sure, anyone can be in the military and learn to shoot a gun. But speak Russian, travel to the Soviet Union, return and then be involved in a mysterious meeting in Mexico before JFK's assassination? Something beyond just wandering nutjob is up with this guy.

So, his handlers portray themselves as Supporters of the Castro regime. As Oswald was. These are most likely CIA guys who have had enough of Kennedy, and after the Cuban Missile Crisis believe he's going to give away the farm or get us all killed. Pulling the wool over Oswald is simple. I men, look at the guy!

So the plan is, Oswald kills Kennedy and not only does that solve problem number one, but if he is captured and spills the beans he's blabbing about some Communist plot! Because that's what he thinks it was.

What did these guys want? A long term investigation and manhunt? A dead Oswald? (That's not so bad.) Or better still a captured Oswald who is himself, even as he screams "patsy" just another piece of the plan for the Anti-Castro CIA to turn up the heat on Cuba?

Once Oswald was coached properly, once the assassination was started, these guys had every possible outcome planned and prepared for...

..the way to figure out who they were is to figure out who was in Mexico with Oswald.

Maybe they were Russians impersonating CIA operatives that were impersonating Cuban Communist.

Dan, your guesswork is as good as anybody else has. You should have added in Sirhan Sirhan as an example of your theory. He assassinates Bobby Kennedy gets caught and convicted and almost nobody thinks there is a conspiracy there.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

1 - don't know bullets real well, but I imagine a bullet reacts differently when hitting bone than when passing through muscle
2 - As most of lived through and saw this, I'm not sure why any report is necessary to validate what was witnessed or has become public knowledge
3 - So the Navy SEAL is a liar?

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. We can t know for sure. Where's the evidence? Show me something.

 

[HawkAttackDial911]

I thought this was going to be about the Warren Harding love child:


http://news.yahoo.com/ex-president-warren-hardings-love-child-confirmed-dna-184006977.html

 

[DanL53]

Maybe they were Russians impersonating CIA operatives that were impersonating Cuban Communist.

Dan, your guesswork is as good as anybody else has. You should have added in Sirhan Sirhan as an example of your theory. He assassinates Bobby Kennedy gets caught and convicted and almost nobody thinks there is a conspiracy there.

Yeah, it's fun. Personally I think HawkAttack brings up a point, maybe unintentionally. How much of a role did Harding's love affairs have in this?

Anyway, when one starts stacking all the links together, it is hard to believe Oswald acted entirely alone without someone above him pulling the strings. When one looks at all the theories of a second shooter, they each get debunked pretty well. But the idea that someone else planned it, and Oswald was just a part? That seems to me to be more than just a possibility. The circumstantial evidence is persuasive.

 

[naturalmwa]

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. We can t know for sure. Where's the evidence? Show me something.

I thought you said you had the proof?

 

[lawsonhawk]

I thought you said you had the proof?

 

[TexMichFan]

Yeah, it's fun. Personally I think HawkAttack brings up a point, maybe unintentionally. How much of a role did Harding's love affairs have in this?

Anyway, when one starts stacking all the links together, it is hard to believe Oswald acted entirely alone without someone above him pulling the strings. When one looks at all the theories of a second shooter, they each get debunked pretty well. But the idea that someone else planned it, and Oswald was just a part? That seems to me to be more than just a possibility. The circumstantial evidence is persuasive.

There are a lot of circumstantial conspiracies but I wonder if that is becoming the proof there was one instead of there actually being one.

 

[ANYCHawk]

1 - don't know bullets real well, but I imagine a bullet reacts differently when hitting bone than when passing through muscle

Or if people are sitting at different heights and not the same. Or if they are sitting to the left of the person behind and not straight ahead. But, shh we'll ignore that and the bullet made a crazy path!

 

[strummingram]

Wasn't there some "official reason" the press and people in charge said that no physical evidence of bin Laden was allowed?

 

[strummingram]

And, how do they lose JFK's brain??? "OOPS! Must have thrown that out with the take-out from Peppino's last week!"

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

I thought you said you had the proof?

Of course the proof is the lack of proof.

 

[baycity4]

Does anybody have to remind themselves that Gary Oldman isn't Oswald? Whenever I discuss JFK with anybody, Oldman is always the picture in my brain of Oswald.

 

[aflachawk]

I don't believe in these conspiracies. I don't think we know the whole truth but close to it. Like.....ballpark close.

The problem with conspiracy theory's is if more than one or two are involved in the conspiracies they fall apart just by people over time coming clean . In the kennedy and Twin tower one hundreds of people would need to involved. That makes it pretty unlikely. The OP says he has proof? Bullshit, if we had they would already have proved the conspiracy happened

 

[naturalmwa]

Of course the proof is the lack of proof.

That's so beautiful it deserves a like.

 

[ANYCHawk]

The problem with conspiracy theory's is if more than one or two are involved in the conspiracies they fall apart just by people over time coming clean . In the kennedy and Twin tower one hundreds of people would need to involved. That makes it pretty unlikely. The OP says he has proof? Bullshit, if we had they would already have proved the conspiracy happened

This guy gets it.

Our government couldn't keep secret a break in at a crap DC hotel. Yet hundreds if not thousands kept secret the moon landing, 9/11, jfk?! child please.

 

[KitingHigh]

Wasn't there some "official reason" the press and people in charge said that no physical evidence of bin Laden was allowed?

There was, and I don't Agree with it.
You don't have to be disrespectful and show the whole thing, but at least show enough to confirm you actually did what you claim. Own it.

 

[joelbc1]

JFK-Why did the magic bullet simply pass through(magically), and the bullet shot as JFK's head explode? Those who know bullets and guns, know this indicates two different bullet types. Would Oswald use two different bullet types? Plus, lets face it, three dead prominent Kennedy men, 2 of which were known to be assassinated, and another who went down in a mysterious plane crash. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, so forget about fooling me a third time.

9-11, if the NIST report is what we should all go by, then why has it been debunked countless times and why does it have so many outright lies in it? Such as saying, NO witnesses heard explosions, saying there was no molten metal at the bottom of the wreckage, and completely ignoring that there simply wasn't enough heat to have caused the collapse as it happened?
Also certain parts of the report, have been held back from the public.

Osama Bin Laden- This one is easy, show me ONE little piece of physical evidence. DNA, pictures, video, etc,...Hell!, even the DNA evidence report for yodas sake. Fact is, OBL died before this incident and likely had been dead for years, as the Taliban reported in 2001.
We could ask his wife that was apparently there, but no one knows where she is. We've seen movies, books, etc, about this, all of which are usually different in story, and yet NO physical evidence whatsoever.

Also rumors that members of that particular Seal team may have been killed in Afghanistan during a helo op. Some douche in Washington said it wasn't them, but who the #R$# really knows? They lie about this all the time.

The "magic bullet" has been explained logically and thoroughly for over 40 years. if you can't believe it...or choose not to believe it,,so be it. Otherwise, I suggest you and OiT meet somewhere in west Texas and discuss your theories there.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

The "magic bullet" has been explained logically and thoroughly for over 40 years. if you can't believe it...or choose not to believe it,,so be it. Otherwise, I suggest you and OiT meet somewhere in west Texas and discuss your theories there.

It's been discussed by people who were proven liars over and over again. Sorry, but 3 dead Kennedies, 2 assassinated and one under mysterious circumstances. Jack Ruby killing Oswald and throwing his life away for no good reason, dies of 'cancer' years later, also explains his actions were part of a plan. Despite the naysayers, Ruby DID have mob connections.
A man hired to prove that JFK was in fact killed by Oswald, not only changed his mind, but also worked to help prove that he didn't believe it happened he way you believe it did.


Vietnam continues, the push against the FBI stops and JFKs speech against conspirators are never uttered again by any Presidnt afterwards.
you're old, you're too ignorant to change your position and you are wrong. Nothing can change that fact. Much, much intelligent and informed men disagree with you and think you're an idiot.