PSA: Andrew Fleming in Nat'l Tournament April 2-4
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Suterman posted on 4/4/2015...
I thought Fleming played well. I only saw the 2nd half but he made all of his free throws, played decent defense and has a real nose for the basketball. He's going to be a very good player for Iowa._____________________________________________________________
I think he'll thrive even more in a structured style of ball once he gets to Iowa and away from the NYC playground crap his high school team plays.
I thought Fleming played well. I only saw the 2nd half but he made all of his free throws, played decent defense and has a real nose for the basketball. He's going to be a very good player for Iowa._____________________________________________________________
I think he'll thrive even more in a structured style of ball once he gets to Iowa and away from the NYC playground crap his high school team plays.
Hansen? Are you kidding? You don't play 9 years in the NBA as a 2 guard if you don't have good athleticism and quickness. Sure, he didn't have I. Thomas quickness but Hansen was also 6'6". My brother played against him in the state final and AAU ball and said Hansen was by far the best player, best athlete he ever played against. He was simply unguardable in high school. If you put a smaller guy on him he would post that player up and score inside, or he'd shoot over them. Put a bigger guy on him and he was too quick for them.Originally posted by DanL53:
Originally posted by buttermypancakes:
JO didn't play his role very well, we can all agree on that. He just needed to space the floor, shoot with confidence when the offense gets him open shots, play unselfishly and find open teammates.Originally posted by PhantomFlyer:
So, you meant he'll play the role of a player who's too slow, lacks athleticism, plays weak D, and can't hit his shots (and lacks confidence in his shots). Good, I was concerned we didn't have anyone who could take over Josh's role.
It's very hard to have 5 ball dominant players on the court at the same time and still have good team chemistry. If people are just realistic with what Fleming is going to be asked to do at Iowa, I think he could be great but I don't ever see him being someone that creates off the dribble or that the offense runs through. If Iowa had 4 Andrew Fleming type players coming in I would be concerned, but they have guys with different skill sets that will fill their roles. Moss,Williams,Wagner and even Hutton have shown they all have some ability off the dribble at their position. Fleming fills that spot up shooter role along with Elingson.
This post was edited on 4/4 8:44 AM by buttermypancakes
I'm very curious to see what kind of player Fleming is when placed on a team that values ball movement and motion to create open shots. He needs to be on a team like that.
Again, I believe there is a reason that seventeen college coaches offered Fleming a scholarship. And I'll add that Oak Hill's coach, Kevin Smith, who has been seeking out players to transfer to his program for 30 years, saw something in Andrew Fleming that was worth an offer.
And IF Coach Smith made a mistake? It is kind of odd that Fleming is the first guy in off the bench and for a big part of the season replaced Josh Reaves in the starting lineup.
Fleming's success hangs on one thing. His three point shooting percentage. He reminds me of Josh Oglesby AND Bobby Hanson. How's that for a range of possible results?
Last thing, as to his quicks and his defense. Hansen wasn't a burner either but he gutted out some amazing defense. Magic Johnson hated being defended by him. (Pros. Jazz vs Lakers in the playoffs. Hansen got a chip on his shoulder about "King Magic" as he called him never being called for a foul or traveling. That series Bobby gave Magic fits. It was beautiful.)
This is why Hansen could play defense against Magic, he was a big guard with some quicks. You are greatly underselling Hansen's athleticism.
I thought I heard or read where AF has a very high BBall IQ, and is one of the hardest working players. who does that remind you of (AW) no i am not comparing their games or that AF will be as good as AW, just that having those 2 attributes can make up for other shortcomings.
You can be a "hustle guy" and still be a very good athlete and quick. Hansen was both, there's not even a question about it. You simply never saw Hansen play high school ball if you think he was strictly a hustle guy. He didn't dominate the state of Iowa basketball because he was a "hustle guy". Little Lick's do that. Hansen was the best athlete (from the late 70's forward) to play Iowa high school ball until Ricky Davis came along. Rodman is an example.
Hansen had good size & skills, and was tough as nails. By B1G or NBA standards, he was not very athletic. Fleming has similar size and seems to also have some skills. If he has Bobby Hansen's grit and competitiveness, he will be a very good player for the Hawks. I think he probably has a lot of work to do on the defensive end.
There's the Iowa vs Louisville Final Four game. People can decide for themselves about Hansen's speed. I guess even bringing up a wide range like Andrew Fleming could be between a Josh Oglesby and a Bobby Hansen was too much to let go by without some kind of corrective action.
Iowa recruits do tend to drop after commitment, some are like Ingram and Olesani and drop precipitously the day they sign.
Its not a conspiracy its a mindset. "How good could he be he's just going to Iowa". There's been some truth to that in the last 15 seasons. Hawks put together quite a clown show in the Alford/Lickliter years.
Fleming signed with Iowa before he blew up this year. No reason for any scouts to spend any time rethinking their position on Fleming so the momentum of other players getting upgraded results in stagnation and diminution of his rankings. Again, not a conspiracy .
The problem isn't universal and the last couple seasons helped. Moss seems to be climbing and gaining national attention since his Hawkeye committment.
Although I hope Wagner is the break out freshman next season, because Hawk's need at that position is acute, I think Fleming will likely be the break out guy. From the limited video and TV I've seen Fleming seems to have a more mature game. He also seems to have really improved his jump shot. We know that Fleming will play if he's a consistent and reliable outside threat because no one on the existing roster has displayed those two attributes.
Given what will surely be a much weaker inside game Hawks will not only make existing players shooting improvement critical to any success but probably two of the three of Ellingson, Moss, or Fleming will have to hit more outside than anyone on the team showed in 2015 if Hawks are to return to a 12-6 B1G record.
Its not a conspiracy its a mindset. "How good could he be he's just going to Iowa". There's been some truth to that in the last 15 seasons. Hawks put together quite a clown show in the Alford/Lickliter years.
Fleming signed with Iowa before he blew up this year. No reason for any scouts to spend any time rethinking their position on Fleming so the momentum of other players getting upgraded results in stagnation and diminution of his rankings. Again, not a conspiracy .
The problem isn't universal and the last couple seasons helped. Moss seems to be climbing and gaining national attention since his Hawkeye committment.
Although I hope Wagner is the break out freshman next season, because Hawk's need at that position is acute, I think Fleming will likely be the break out guy. From the limited video and TV I've seen Fleming seems to have a more mature game. He also seems to have really improved his jump shot. We know that Fleming will play if he's a consistent and reliable outside threat because no one on the existing roster has displayed those two attributes.
Given what will surely be a much weaker inside game Hawks will not only make existing players shooting improvement critical to any success but probably two of the three of Ellingson, Moss, or Fleming will have to hit more outside than anyone on the team showed in 2015 if Hawks are to return to a 12-6 B1G record.
