I seriously would probably do the exact same thing.
PSA: Starship's 4th Integrated Test Flight tentatively June 6
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Their oldest grandkid just got accepted to SpaceCamp, so he was pretty stoked. Had a NASA shirt on and everything. I was his age when I saw Challenger explode above me, so I kinda slow played the reality of science and physical exploration.
This was the following night for the heavy, that had 2 of the boosters return back to the pad and shook my nuts.
Have another going off tonight around midnight for a Luxembourg communication satellite.
Update on the FAA issue and Musk’s relationship.
qz.com
Shortly thereafter, Musk said he expected to fly the rocket again in about eight weeks. He said so again in June. Now, four months since the launch attempt, the company is still working to regain its launch license from the Federal Aviation Administration, which regulates commercial spaceflight in the US. Last week, SpaceX submitted a final report on the incident to the agency, which will need to approve its conclusions; then, SpaceX will need to take corrective actions and have its launch license modified to reflect them.
“SpaceX must submit updated information before its license can be modified or more flights added,” an FAA spokesperson told Quartz. “The update must include corrective actions identified in the mishap investigation report and any other changes material to public health and safety and the safety of property. The FAA will evaluate the new material and ensure it complies with all regulatory requirements prior to modifying the license to authorize future launch operations.”
“Nonetheless, the US Coast Guard has issued a warning to mariners that rocket launches could take place off the coast of Boca Chica as soon as Aug. 31. While such notifications are routine and don’t guarantee a launch will take place, the announcement suggests SpaceX is confident it can win over the agency in the next 10 days. (SpaceX did not respond to a request for comment.)”
What SpaceX has to do to convince the FAA to let Starship fly
Inside Elon Musk's fraught relationship with the Federal Aviation Administration
qz.com
Shortly thereafter, Musk said he expected to fly the rocket again in about eight weeks. He said so again in June. Now, four months since the launch attempt, the company is still working to regain its launch license from the Federal Aviation Administration, which regulates commercial spaceflight in the US. Last week, SpaceX submitted a final report on the incident to the agency, which will need to approve its conclusions; then, SpaceX will need to take corrective actions and have its launch license modified to reflect them.
“SpaceX must submit updated information before its license can be modified or more flights added,” an FAA spokesperson told Quartz. “The update must include corrective actions identified in the mishap investigation report and any other changes material to public health and safety and the safety of property. The FAA will evaluate the new material and ensure it complies with all regulatory requirements prior to modifying the license to authorize future launch operations.”
“Nonetheless, the US Coast Guard has issued a warning to mariners that rocket launches could take place off the coast of Boca Chica as soon as Aug. 31. While such notifications are routine and don’t guarantee a launch will take place, the announcement suggests SpaceX is confident it can win over the agency in the next 10 days. (SpaceX did not respond to a request for comment.)”
Gonna watch this one tonight. This will be SpaceX's 2nd launch in 2 days and the 3rd in a week.
Additionally, a fourth launch will be a crew of 4 astronauts planned for Fri. For the crewed launch, the astronauts are from USA, Russia, Denmark, and Japan and will be heading to the ISS for a 6 month mission.
Additionally, a fourth launch will be a crew of 4 astronauts planned for Fri. For the crewed launch, the astronauts are from USA, Russia, Denmark, and Japan and will be heading to the ISS for a 6 month mission.
What you need to know: SpaceX reschedules Falcon 9 Starlink launch to end of the week
Here's what to know about SpaceX's Falcon 9 Starlink mission from Cape Canaveral now rescheduled for an end of the week liftoff.
www.floridatoday.com
How is that 2-3 months looking. Did I miss its launch in July? I know I was busy.
Did see them launch 2 separate rockets today from the Cape though. First time I've ever seen 2 launches in one day since living here since the first Space Shuttle.
Weird how I'd mentioned "6 months" a few times in this thread....
And...here we are!!!
Yep - I had predicted not until next year based on FAA issues due to human health and environmental impacts, which is in fact holding things up. My job is dealing with environmental impacts from clients to state and federal regulatory agencies. Nothing goes fast. We shall see but 78 days left until next year. Which probably is not bad because it gives more time to tweak design and pad. Which was my whole point, that was a pretty bad fail when you factor what happened to the pad. There is no way it made sense to rush to another launch. This thing is a monster. Going to take time. Maybe not Tesla Truck type time, but some length of time regardless. It was very obvious unless you are a Musk fanboy. Two to three months was ridiculous. Much more rational is a 6-12 month window but saying this was admitting the test was not this super successful event it was portrayed as. Also ridiculous was Musk saying beginning in early May they were 4-6 weeks away. He finally stopped making that statement in early July.
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Because private companies do not give a shit about the environmental damage they do.
The rest of us get to pay taxes to clean those things up with SuperFund money....
FTFY
One of the more amusing anecdotes out of A-10s over Kosovo :
Daily sustainability issues were initially challenging. We had no Air Force infrastructure to support us. Our spares packages were sparse, and any parts coming into country via premium transportation (Federal Express and DHL Worldwide Express) were subject to Italian customs inspectors. This worked well Monday through Friday, but we had no customs support over the weekend or on Italian holidays. This became frustrating when a part hit the airport on a Friday afternoon and we knew we wouldn’t see it before Monday afternoon when the delivery would be made. This was the single biggest issue that we were not able to resolve during the conflict. We learned to live with it but didn’t like it because it was often the one part we needed to return a jet to mission-capable status.
Is Elon Musk more Darth Vader or more Obi Wan Kenobi?
Come on FAA get your shit together.
Come on FAA get your shit together.
Anyone ever play Ghost and Goblins to the end, beat the boss and then see this screen:
Then it started you over to play the whole game again...
In an interview last month, Kelvin Coleman, FAA associate administrator for commercial space transportation, who leads AST, said he expected the FAA would close out its review of actions SpaceX must take from the previous Starship launch related to public safety by late October. That will be a key milestone towards updating the launch license.
However, he noted then that the license will also depend on the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s review of the environmental effects of changes to the launch pad, including a water deluge system intended to minimize the damage from the first launch. While Coleman said he hoped that would be concluded “somewhere in proximity” to the safety review, a Fish and Wildlife Service spokesperson said last month that it could take up to 135 days to perform that assessment.
In my defense, I said it was the FAA that was going to be the delay!
If SpaceX hadn't f***ed up in the first place, they wouldn't need a review, would they?
And maybe SpaceX hasn't provided clear info to the FAA to make a fast decision. They cut corners before, so it's reasonable to assume they will continue to do so.
If SpaceX did it right the first time, they wouldn't be dealing with this.
But they did. They cut corners and created massive environmental damage to nearby areas.
You in favor of starting the Cuyahoga river on fire, again?
If SpaceX did it right the first time, they wouldn't be dealing with this.
But they did. They cut corners and created massive environmental damage to nearby areas.
You in favor of starting the Cuyahoga river on fire, again?
Dumbest analogy of the Year Award goes to…Major Tom.
Clearly, they did not when they took the shortcuts on that first launch.
Despite being warned about it.
Meh, fail fast agile approach. It was a test flight.
As someone has already explained to you they have different levels of risk tolerance depending on the mission.
This is an experimental platform. They made over 1000 changes improvements from Flight 1 to Flight 2 from everything they learned.
Maybe you don’t understand or agree with the approach. So what? No one asked for your opinion.
And destroy the environment doing it.
Despite being warned your system wasn't capable of holding up to the rockets.
If they'd spent the extra time and $$ designing it right the first time, they:
- Would not have failed
- Would already have probably launched another rocket.
So did the robber-barons of the 19th and 20th centuries.
Who left trillions in cleanup jobs for the rest of us as "Superfund Sites".
Hyperbole.
He predicted it would fail.
Speculation.
Not if the FAA chooses to be slow as molasses.
You aren’t very good at this. Just try to enjoy humanity’s ground breaking events and not be a dick.
Yep, this was always going to be the barrier. Only the ignorant and/or uninitiated thought otherwise (as it relates to “quick turn”).
The FAA follows its defined schedule for review.
If information is unclear, it requires the filer to provide more info and delays the process.
The better your application is, the faster it'll get turned around.
Lmao. So the environment is currently destroyed? Yes or no? You’re a silly guy you know that?
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WTAF are you babbling about, now?
Areas surrounding the launch were impacted with debris from the launch. Sensitive environments that are protected by federal laws.
Google that if you need more info.
Yes.
Go read about it. They are still working to clean those areas up.
And SpaceX isn't paying for that liability, which THEY SHOULD BE.
This is precisely the path to more Superfund cleanups. And more of YOUR tax dollars paying for it, subsidizing damage cause by Musk and his companies.
Dude it is a rocket launch site. Are you this feverishly manic about NASA launch sites too? No? Piss off.
