PSA - Walhert at State
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Needless to say, I'm excited he will be an Augustana Viking next year. I wish he would've pulled off the upset against Pemsl, but Jansen didn't have much of a supporting cast. Spent a good part of the first half trying to move the ball and get guys open and his teammates were either missing layups or throwing it into Wahlert players' hands for open layups (or in Pemsl's case, thunderous dunks).
By the 2nd half, Jansen just took over and did pretty much anything and everything he could do to keep MOC alive. Korver coming to life and hitting a handful of 3s and a few floaters helped, but Jansen was impressive.
Pemsl is going to be a very good player for your Hawkeyes as well. Just looks very calm and confident with the ball in his hands. Besides his dunks, he had some really impressive passes, and not even "for a big man"... just impressive passes in general. He'll definitely be good for you guys.
Thanks for the link. Wow, the Levi Jansen kid for MOC-FV was beyond impressive. # 4 Wahlert also a really nice looking player. Assume the Korver kid is one of the Korver 3 point shooting dynasty? Pemsl did not score a lot, but made some nice passes and had a nice finish on a lob. I only caught the last 1.5 quarters.
Can someone drop some knowledge on where the Jansen kid is going / what year he is? That kid can flat out score the ball.
Can someone drop some knowledge on where the Jansen kid is going / what year he is? That kid can flat out score the ball.
Jansen is going to Augustana like his brother did...might end up beating us in an exhibition in the future.
The Korver kid is a cousin to the dynasty of Pella shooters
The Korver kid is a cousin to the dynasty of Pella shooters
Spirit Lake and Iowa recruit Ryan Kriener were defeated tonight by Cedar Rapids Xavier by 11. So he and Pemsl will not meet. Ryan had a rough night and hit two late threes to get up to 18 points. Just did not play well tonight.
I'll be surprised if Fran puts us on the schedule again anytime soon. That being said, it would be fun to play you guys again sometime in the future. I doubt we'd see the same results as this year, though.
First I have seen him play and it seemed like his teammates and coach forgot about him. I know getting down big tends to lead to more 3 pointers, but when they got within 7 a couple times in the second with plenty of time left, I would have made sure he touched the ball a couple times before jacking 3's. Definitely not a selfish player and seemed to have a high basketball IQ based on his decision making...never forced anything and looked for the open guy.
LMAO, yeah were terrified of scheduling an NAIA school for the sole purpose of having a practice.
Well...we're not exactly an NAIA school. We're a fairly successful Division II school. And for being a practice, your starters played more against us than they did in your first (and maybe second) Michigan State win. Not saying we're even remotely close to as good as Michigan State, obviously, but to act like the Hawkeyes weren't even trying or something is a little bit of a stretch. But I don't intend to reignite that discussion here. Just wanted to defend my alma mater for a second.
Either way, you bring up a good point. Fran shouldn't be afraid to schedule us again--particularly since it will be a few years before we reach the talent/potential this year's team has. But based on the flack Fran and your program took after the loss in the media and stuff, I'd imagine it won't be the Hawkeyes calling Augie this summer to see if we want to play them again next year (although, from what I understand, that's actually what Sean Miller did at Arizona after we played them, which is why we've played Arizona in exhibition games three times out of the past six years...then again, the closest we came to beating them was an 11-point loss in 2010-11).
But, as I mentioned before, I'd have no problem as an Augie fan if we got a chance to come down and play you guys again next year. We're losing a ton of key players, so I'm guessing it would be a solid 15-20 point win for the Hawkeyes, but it would be fun either way.
Personally, I think the fact that we lost to Augustana should help support an effort to schedule them again. I think playing a difficult exhibition game helped our team this year, and the loss didn't hurt us in terms of NCAA Tournament seeding. I view it as a win-win for both schools.
Okay you're right, we ran a detailed game plan on both ends of the floor, but just couldn't hang with the mighty Vikings. Out classed in both talent and coaching. No way we even think about trying to play with your powerhouse team again.
Don't you think there was a reason they played more minutes in a glorified practice vs someone with a pulse? It was obvious they had things to work on, and stuck to the practice script. And I'm still LOL'ing at your continued notion that Iowa might be "afraid" to schedule an NAIA team to practice against.
Maybe you should try to get your facts straight first. Augustana is a top ranked NCAA Division II basketball program, not NAIA. There is a huge difference between the two collegiate organizations.
Also, exhibition games are not "practices" and to characterize them as such is exceedingly ignorant on your part.
Man alive. Cool out, bro. You're putting a ton of words into my mouth here, and they all taste terrible.
I never claimed Augie to be a powerhouse team. Read any of my old posts on here. My comments have been nothing but complimentary of the Hawkeye program and the talent you guys have. I never got on and acted like Augie was the greatest team you've ever played. More than anything, I expressed pleasant surprise that we actually won (again, while still complimenting your program), even if it didn't count on either team's record. To be clear, I also never directly stated or even insinuated you were "outclassed in talent or coaching." That's a ridiculous assertion, and we both know that. (Although, to be fair to my alma mater, I do think we have very good talent and very good coaching.) All I was saying is that acting like the Hawkeyes didn't try at all in that game, which seems to be your pretty clear insinuation, is a stretch, and anyone who watched the 2nd half in particular with a hint of objectivity would most likely agree with that.
Regarding your second paragraph, I don't actually understand your logic. You're saying your best players should play less against some of the top talent in the country in a game that mattered significantly to both programs than they should against a Division II (again, not NAIA, but NCAA Division II... not sure why that's not clicking, unless it's just a lame attempt to insult our program by intentionally incorrectly classifying our division) basketball team in a game that doesn't matter and is being used as a practice? I'd love more clarification on that point if you're willing to share it, as the logic behind it doesn't make sense to me.
Finally, when you put quotation marks around a word like you did with "afraid," it indicates that I actually used the word "afraid" somewhere in my initial comment. I never said anyone was "afraid." All I said was that I would be surprised if Fran puts Augie on the schedule again anytime soon, mostly because of the backlash he and the program received after the game was over and we had won. You can tell yourself people don't care, but anyone who paid attention to social media and other news outlets knows it wasn't exactly a positive that Augie won against you guys, even if it technically doesn't count on win/loss records. I would hope that Fran wants us on the schedule for another exhibition game someday, as he has indicated in several interviews that our game this year helped your team get better. I just wouldn't be surprised if, based on the reaction that he and your program received, he's not desperate to run it back this next season. Maybe he will be though, who knows?
I guess what it comes down to is that I'm pretty sure I've never posted a negative thing about Iowa on this forum, and I think you guys have an incredible program. I don't think we outclass the Hawkeyes in any way. Augie is a good Division II program that played a great game against your team (by our standards) and happened to come a way with a win that mattered more to us than it did to your players. That's really the summary. You can keep putting words in my mouth, but my hope is that anyone reading this sees that I'm being pretty rational about this, and my intent wasn't to hijack this thread to re-hash a game that most of the fans on here are beyond tired of discussing.
To finish it out and get this thread back on track though, I will reiterate that you guys look like you'll be getting a really, really talented player in Pemsl. I honestly can't think of many high school players I've watched who seem more comfortable with a ball in their hands regardless of where they are on the court. Whether he was out on the perimeter or down low, he just always seemed to be at ease. That kind of confidence is hard to teach in my opinion; he strikes me as the type of player that will stay cool, calm and collected for you guys in the clutch by his junior/senior years. He also dunks it very hard.
I was glad to see Jansen put up such a good fight against Wahlert, as it's encouraging for the future as an Augie fan. Two really good players playing in a really great game. It was definitely a fun one. You guys should be excited about Pemsl, particularly in a couple of years.
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Just ignore him. He;s just trolling you.
Augustana played a great game and is a really good, well-coached team this year. That's why they beat a senior-laden Iowa team. End of story.
Sorry for the novel. If I'd seen nu2u and mikehawk8's posts, I might've kept it a little shorter. I was afraid I was just being unclear about my comments and didn't want to find out everyone felt the way TailgateTom did. Didn't want to leave a bad impression about things. Hopefully my novel of a response clarifies that slightly. Sorry again for the thread drift. I know that really annoys some people. I'll stop, starting now.
Helps that Coach Louie welcomed back the team's leading scorer, thug, wasted guard back to the bench just in time for state as well.
Maybe you two can go sit in the corner, hold hands and sing Kumbaya. Good lord, sensitive bunch. If he's going to post ignorant things on the board, he better be ready for ignorant responses. Maybe I took it too far, but I was having fun (honestly).
Obviously I know Auggie is a great DII team that absolutely took it to us. But to infer that Iowa is going to be, or would be scared to schedule them again is just plain dumb. Fran scheduled them because he knew they were a good team and would expose us. Why would he be scared to schedule a good team, in a game that is meaningless, that will help make us better?
Tailgate Tom.........please move on. Hopefully both Cordell and Jansen end up being very good players for their respective teams. Go Hawks!
Oh, okay...since you asked. Sincerest apologies for violating the rules on your personal blog.
I only saw about the first third of the game, but thought that Ryan's teammates did him no favors with their errant entry pass attempts. And I'm sure he will appreciate being able to play the game without being surrounded by three opposing players every time he touches the ball.
Since transferring to Spirit Lake, he had two full seasons and they never learned how to use him properly. If he was going to change schools, he should have gone somewhere where they can actually coach.
I watched all 6 games yesterday and it did appear that Kriener drew a lot of double teams and back side guards digging at the ball. Probably more then any other player I saw play yesterday. He did have a nice one handed dunk over a 6'7" kid from Xavier.
Tom....you might want to stop. You're not exactly distinguishing yourself in this thread.
For the record, there is a distinction between NAIA Division 1 and NAIA Division 2 when you compare them to NCAA D-2. There is (usually) a good bit of difference between good NCAA D-2 teams and NAIA D-2 teams. But NAIA D-I teams are basically even with NCAA D-2 teams.
I read as much as I could stand. ...which was way more than needed to figure it out.
