PSU Wrestler & Olympic Qualifier Aaron Brooks Tested Positive for a PED

[98lberEating2Lunches]

He mentioned Vyvanse right about the time he was trashing Taylor without using his name. Right before he called Gilman an honorable man and the one Brooks is most happy for.

I rewatched and relistened. Thanks.

Yes, Aaron mentioned the U23 prescription was for Vyvanse when he tested positive as evidence Mineo's uncorrected tweet (leak) was to benefit his platform, as it was not totally accurate (and first uses PED vs Adderall).

But to be fair, Basch also said Adderall as part of his lead in.

And so I now reasonably infer either 1) WADA has no preference for Adderall over Vyvanse, or 2) WADA may've since established a preference for Adderall over Vyvanse, and Aaron subsequently switched to Adderall before the Olympic Trials.

In any event, somewhat sloppy "journalism" by both Basch and Mineo.

 

[thom67]

Not much difference between vyvance and adderall. Vyvance is more slowly acting and thus has more long lasting effects. Both amphetamines.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Vyvance is more slowly acting and thus has more long lasting effects

And maybe less adverse side effects.

Confirmed: Vyvanse side effects (although common to Adderall) are considered less harsh.

Additionally, the difference in rate of metabolism between Vyvanse and Adderall (especially immediate release version of Adderall) makes Vyvanse preferred from the standpoint of being less likely to be misused.

The USADA site addresses TUEs for ADHD. It seem like the bar to get a TUE is higher than some have led others to believe.

What do Athletes with ADHD Need to know about TUEs | USADA

Athletes with ADHD can continue using necessary prohibited medications while competing as long as they receive a TUE. Learn more on how to comply.

www.usada.org

 

[wrestlecrazy]

I will be cheering Brooks on for GOLD at the Olympics!

 

[WildTurk]

And maybe less adverse side effects.

Confirmed: Vyvanse side effects (although common to Adderall) are considered less harsh.

Additionally, the difference in rate of metabolism between Vyvanse and Adderall (especially immediate release version of Adderall) makes Vyvanse preferred from the standpoint of being less likely to be misused.

The USADA site addresses TUEs for ADHD. It seem like the bar to get a TUE is higher than some have led others to believe.

What do Athletes with ADHD Need to know about TUEs | USADA

Athletes with ADHD can continue using necessary prohibited medications while competing as long as they receive a TUE. Learn more on how to comply.

www.usada.org

Either way it's a performance enhancing drug. All the layers of sugar don't change that. This seems like old news now

 

[bman546]

Suddenly the backpedaling starts... The responses now are a far cry from
"They ABSOLUTELY pay doctors to prescribe patients their drugs."

Of course the healthcare industry generates revenue, and of course doctors get paid for their services, with some specialist's services earning top dollar... But, how this devolved into a healthcare industry discussion from a failed drug test is beyond me (though I jumped in to it on my own accord).

 

[Urohawk]

Doctors love to prescribe medications.
It's almost like they get a little kick back and guarantee themselves a return patient.

Most doctors post covid are so busy, half my return patients could never show up and I'd still have full clinics. There has been a looming doctor shortage due to baby boomers aging and early retirements. You're wildly uninformed.

We prescribe medications because most patients don't want to diet, quit smoking, eat right, and exercise daily.

 

[T8KUDWN]

Most doctors post covid are so busy, half my return patients could never show up and I'd still have full clinics. There has been a looming doctor shortage due to baby boomers aging and early retirements. You're wildly uninformed.

We prescribe medications because most patients don't want to diet, quit smoking, eat right, and exercise daily.

So, you're saying you discuss nutrition, exercise, hydration, sunlight and grounding with a patient before medication?

 

[bourbon n blues]

So, you're saying you discuss nutrition, exercise, hydration, sunlight and grounding with a patient before medication?

I'm sure he does, sarcasm intended.

 

[hawk224]

So, you're saying you discuss nutrition, exercise, hydration, sunlight and grounding with a patient before medication?

Lifestyle changes are the first thing to be discussed, and are recommended at every appointment. Sadly most patients, at least in my experience, do not make the changes necessary to improve their health on their own, making medication necessary

 

[bourbon n blues]

Lifestyle changes are the first thing to be discussed, and are recommended at every appointment. Sadly most patients, at least in my experience, do not make the changes necessary to improve their health on their own, making medication necessary

You are correct few will do this. However I have seen corporate pressure from my doc and will often veto his suggestions. I think it's often more of a fishing expedition than actual health care from my observations. Like this friend who's wife saw over 40 doctors before they figured out she had bladder cancer. I'm sure they followed protocols though.

 

[T8KUDWN]

Lifestyle changes are the first thing to be discussed, and are recommended at every appointment. Sadly most patients, at least in my experience, do not make the changes necessary to improve their health on their own, making medication necessary

It appears your answer to my question is no. Lifestyle changes and a healthy lifestyle are 2 different things.
A lifestyle change such as eliminating alcohol is a step in the right direction, but doesn't mean you've suggested, and they are living a healthy lifestyle. Doctors are needed for broken bones, torn ligaments/muscles, appendicitis and things like that but day to day health is something a doctor and medication should not be needed for.

 

[jneffer]

It appears your answer to my question is no. Lifestyle changes and a healthy lifestyle are 2 different things.
A lifestyle change such as eliminating alcohol is a step in the right direction, but doesn't mean you've suggested, and they are living a healthy lifestyle. Doctors are needed for broken bones, torn ligaments/muscles, appendicitis and things like that but day to day health is something a doctor and medication should not be needed for.

this "doctor" probably doesn't even recommend urine therapy, bro

 

[bourbon n blues]

It appears your answer to my question is no. Lifestyle changes and a healthy lifestyle are 2 different things.
A lifestyle change such as eliminating alcohol is a step in the right direction, but doesn't mean you've suggested, and they are living a healthy lifestyle. Doctors are needed for broken bones, torn ligaments/muscles, appendicitis and things like that but day to day health is something a doctor and medication should not be needed for.

Yep, I told you my torn meniscus temporary high BP issue. Right away he talked meds, nit making the link between a temporary condition and inactivity and dietary changes that occurred. In two weeks I reduced it to 130/81 from 140s-150/90s to 100. All by lifting and walking again. In 6 months I was 120/73. At age 58. Now in in the same range.

Also my BP was up due to what I ate and drank that day, forgetting about my appointment. I drank a pot of coffee that day and had pizza for lunch. The same goofs take my weight fully clothed. My clothing weighs app 7.5 lbs then add a flashlight, keys, wallet, pocket knife, cell phone, 365XL, and an extra mag for another 5 lbs or so.

Think they account for that stuff? Of course not.

 

[hawk224]

It appears your answer to my question is no. Lifestyle changes and a healthy lifestyle are 2 different things.
A lifestyle change such as eliminating alcohol is a step in the right direction, but doesn't mean you've suggested, and they are living a healthy lifestyle. Doctors are needed for broken bones, torn ligaments/muscles, appendicitis and things like that but day to day health is something a doctor and medication should not be needed for.

In theory sure, you don’t need a doctor for day to day health. Unfortunately years of bad behavior typically lead to chronic conditions that need to be pharmacologically managed. For example, when a majority of the country is obese with no inclination to start exercising, meds are pretty much the only other way to go. You guys seem to be in the relatively small percentage who are taking care of themselves, which is great to hear. There’s probably some bias working against you due to that. For example- Bourbon gets recommended BP meds, even though it was essentially a temporary condition. But for most of the people we see, it isn’t temporary and they’re not going to do the work he did to bring it down

 

[bourbon n blues]

In theory sure, you don’t need a doctor for day to day health. Unfortunately years of bad behavior typically lead to chronic conditions that need to be pharmacologically managed. For example, when a majority of the country is obese with no inclination to start exercising, meds are pretty much the only other way to go. You guys seem to be in the relatively small percentage who are taking care of themselves, which is great to hear. There’s probably some bias working against you due to that. For example- Bourbon gets recommended BP meds, even though it was essentially a temporary condition. But for most of the people we see, it isn’t temporary and they’re not going to do the work he did to bring it down

Believe me I get it, however the industry does seem to benefit from the average person's laziness and not putting enough effort into the lifestyle changes. Of course that is counter productive to the bottom line. I do not disagree with you, I just see things like the pharmaceutical industry and how they operate.

It is what it is, over the years I've worked out and learned to take care of myself from both fitness people and folk like chiropractors and soft tissue workers. Lifters tend to be proactive with nutrition also. You know how many times I've been right since my early teen years compared to the medical establishment? Almost every single time.

I have sciatica, I mention it at a standard medical appointment. He suggests x rays or an MRI, I laugh and say I'll do some hip and hip flexors stretches, McGill exercises, and lift lightly. He didn't get the link between a piriformis and sciatica. I told my doc if you get into the 500-600 lb deadlift range you need to learn these things.

 

[hawk224]

Believe me I get it, however the industry does seem to benefit from the average person's laziness and not putting enough effort into the lifestyle changes. Of course that is counter productive to the bottom line. I do not disagree with you, I just see things like the pharmaceutical industry and how they operate.

It is what it is, over the years I've worked out and learned to take care of myself from both fitness people and folk like chiropractors and soft tissue workers. Lifters tend to be proactive with nutrition also. You know how many times I've been right since my early teen years compared to the medical establishment? Almost every single time.

I have sciatica, I mention it at a standard medical appointment. He suggests x rays or an MRI, I laugh and say I'll do some hip and hip flexors stretches, McGill exercises, and lift lightly. He didn't get the link between a piriformis and sciatica. I told my doc if you get into the 500-600 lb deadlift range you need to learn these things.

Speaking of lifting, are you a Starting Strength guy by any chance?

 

[bourbon n blues]

Speaking of lifting, are you a Starting Strength guy by any chance?

Had some relevance back in the day, like most programs consistency is the key and staying healthy. Now I have to go easier to avoid getting hurt. I had the book back in the day. I wasn't a big fan of Mark's squatting style with the head down but for most it isn't going to matter too much.

But overall it's a good program.

 

[Urohawk]

I'm sure he does, sarcasm intended.

I'm sure you know everything. One of my main specialties is erectile dysfunction. Largest causes are smoking, diabetes, and hypertension. Erectile dysfunction in those under 45 indicates a 20% increased risk of heart attack in the next year, but yeah I just tell them to take Viagra and get out because that's what Pfizer tells me.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

erectile dysfunction

Glad to see we're back on topic 😉.

Erectile dysfunction in those under 45 indicates a 20% increased risk of heart attack in the next year

Wow! Serious question, is that because it is a leading indicator of poor circulation (e.g., excessive arterial plaque build up)?

 

[bourbon n blues]

I'm sure you know everything. One of my main specialties is erectile dysfunction. Largest causes are smoking, diabetes, and hypertension. Erectile dysfunction in those under 45 indicates a 20% increased risk of heart attack in the next year, but yeah I just tell them to take Viagra and get out because that's what Pfizer tells me.

Nice deliberate deception by using % there vs actual numbers.

Results of that study showed the incidence of a heart attack per 100,000 people was: Ages 20 to 29: 2.1. Ages 30 to 39: 16.9. Ages 40 to 49: 97.6.

So a 35 year old guy goes from 16.9 to 20.28 per 100k people. This a common medical tactic , omg 20% in risk! And again the issue is multiple life style factors that they won’t change ,

Still doesn’t change my personal experience with medicine. You guys give things lip service but people don’t listen . Which benefits corporate medicine .

 

[Trapper85]

Nice deliberate deception by using % there vs actual numbers.

Results of that study showed the incidence of a heart attack per 100,000 people was: Ages 20 to 29: 2.1. Ages 30 to 39: 16.9. Ages 40 to 49: 97.6.

So a 35 year old guy goes from 16.9 to 20.28 per 100k people. This a common medical tactic , omg 20% in risk! And again the issue is multiple life style factors that they won’t change ,

Still doesn’t change my personal experience with medicine. You guys give things lip service but people don’t listen . Which benefits corporate medicine .

I can agree with many points you've made in your numerous responses, but you should avoid negative generalizations. There are many 'ailments' lifestyle can't fix, those 'you people' and 'corporate medicine' folks have saved countless lives and made many people healthier/happier, the human body is a very complicated and often individualized system we sometimes understand only through trial and error, and so on. Always some lazy, under-educated, or unethical individuals in any profession. People trying to sell us shit we don't need all the time (capitalism), not properly fixing/building something, giving bad advice, etc. Shall we talk about (some) auto mechanics, construction workers, insurance salesman, beer companies, pesticide applicators, farmers, etc. Our clinics are often just under-staffed (need more doctors/nurses), doctor can't spend 3 hours on every appt with an added psychologist to convince you of lifestyle changes (people already think it takes too long to get a doc appt), far too many patients lack adequate health/science education (often not their fault), people insist on quick fix drugs, want cheap insurance that covers everything (or insurance companies that want expensive insurance that covers little), and so on. There is plenty of blame to go around for flaws in any 'system', everyone's trying to make a buck, plenty of damn good people in any job class, and classic lazy groupthink to just label or scapegoat some entity as the bad guy.

 

[pablow]

I don't get the scepticism (hostility) toward doctors and medical science. It takes just a little bit of common sense to know when to seek medical help and when to put down the donut.

 

[bourbon n blues]

I don't get the scepticism (hostility) toward doctors and medical science. It takes just a little bit of common sense to know when to seek medical help and when to put down the donut.

First, my friend, whose wife went to 40+ doctors before they diagnosed bladder cancer. He would seem that with some testing it would be a lot quicker to come to a diagnosis. Then we had to Covid advice, look at ivermectin I tried intrude drug with very little side effects and have saved countless lives.

They weren’t allowed to prescribe this. If you’re lucky to have an independent doctor, maybe you could’ve tried it. However, the hospital organizations would not allow doctors to do this. Then we have the idiotic transitioning of pre-pubertal youth.

Should I go on? However, what you say is true you need to take care of yourself so you minimize the intervention. I’ve done that and I’ve done quite well for myself, but doing simple things such as working out, not getting too fat, minimizing, alcohol, And doing other things to keep myself healthy. A simple thing like adding adequate fiber to your diet prevent colon rectal cancer.

Then I have the gorilla medicine tips. I’ve learned from people that were involved in the military, medical, chiropractic, and weight training professions. They’ve evolved given me some helpful tips on how to handle various problems or didn’t even have to go to the ER.

I suffered a bad sprain, and I wrapped up in a tight heel with duct tape iced it took some strong anti-inflammatories, and then went to my chiropractor for soft tissue work. I could walk but not run and jump because I did get the compression on within a minute or two of the accident.
M in another case, I partially tore my pack. My chiropractor advised me to take massive amounts of vitamin C and control it with ice and steam at home. He was away in vacation. After he got back, he did some soft tissue work and help me out I could immediately resume lifting. his recommendation did not even black blue, even though I still have a dent in my pec.

Everyone has a body I suggest people learn how to use it and take care of it. The medical establishment is the last thing I go to for healthcare advice. I go when I need to go when I have a problem.

 

[horraybeer]

First, my friend, whose wife went to 40+ doctors before they diagnosed bladder cancer. He would seem that with some testing it would be a lot quicker to come to a diagnosis. Then we had to Covid advice, look at ivermectin I tried intrude drug with very little side effects and have saved countless lives.

They weren’t allowed to prescribe this. If you’re lucky to have an independent doctor, maybe you could’ve tried it. However, the hospital organizations would not allow doctors to do this. Then we have the idiotic transitioning of pre-pubertal youth.

Should I go on? However, what you say is true you need to take care of yourself so you minimize the intervention. I’ve done that and I’ve done quite well for myself, but doing simple things such as working out, not getting too fat, minimizing, alcohol, And doing other things to keep myself healthy. A simple thing like adding adequate fiber to your diet prevent colon rectal cancer.

Then I have the gorilla medicine tips. I’ve learned from people that were involved in the military, medical, chiropractic, and weight training professions. They’ve evolved given me some helpful tips on how to handle various problems or didn’t even have to go to the ER.

I suffered a bad sprain, and I wrapped up in a tight heel with duct tape iced it took some strong anti-inflammatories, and then went to my chiropractor for soft tissue work. I could walk but not run and jump because I did get the compression on within a minute or two of the accident.
M in another case, I partially tore my pack. My chiropractor advised me to take massive amounts of vitamin C and control it with ice and steam at home. He was away in vacation. After he got back, he did some soft tissue work and help me out I could immediately resume lifting. his recommendation did not even black blue, even though I still have a dent in my pec.

Everyone has a body I suggest people learn how to use it and take care of it. The medical establishment is the last thing I go to for healthcare advice. I go when I need to go when I have a problem.

Who the hell cares!

 

[Vic Vaselino]

I miss seeing the Suitcase Susie's.

 

[WildTurk]

First, my friend, whose wife went to 40+ doctors before they diagnosed bladder cancer. He would seem that with some testing it would be a lot quicker to come to a diagnosis. Then we had to Covid advice, look at ivermectin I tried intrude drug with very little side effects and have saved countless lives.

They weren’t allowed to prescribe this. If you’re lucky to have an independent doctor, maybe you could’ve tried it. However, the hospital organizations would not allow doctors to do this. Then we have the idiotic transitioning of pre-pubertal youth.

Should I go on? However, what you say is true you need to take care of yourself so you minimize the intervention. I’ve done that and I’ve done quite well for myself, but doing simple things such as working out, not getting too fat, minimizing, alcohol, And doing other things to keep myself healthy. A simple thing like adding adequate fiber to your diet prevent colon rectal cancer.

Then I have the gorilla medicine tips. I’ve learned from people that were involved in the military, medical, chiropractic, and weight training professions. They’ve evolved given me some helpful tips on how to handle various problems or didn’t even have to go to the ER.

I suffered a bad sprain, and I wrapped up in a tight heel with duct tape iced it took some strong anti-inflammatories, and then went to my chiropractor for soft tissue work. I could walk but not run and jump because I did get the compression on within a minute or two of the accident.
M in another case, I partially tore my pack. My chiropractor advised me to take massive amounts of vitamin C and control it with ice and steam at home. He was away in vacation. After he got back, he did some soft tissue work and help me out I could immediately resume lifting. his recommendation did not even black blue, even though I still have a dent in my pec.

Everyone has a body I suggest people learn how to use it and take care of it. The medical establishment is the last thing I go to for healthcare advice. I go when I need to go when I have a problem.

The medical establishment is the last thing you go to? You choose gorilla medicine and Chiropractors. Got it.

 

[T8KUDWN]

The medical establishment is the last thing you go to? You choose gorilla medicine and Chiropractors. Got it.

He's a smart man when the medical establishment is his last resort.
Homeopathic, chiropractic and accountability for your own health are your best choice.

 

[vhsalum]

The medical establishment is the last thing you go to? You choose gorilla medicine and Chiropractors. Got it.

God i love this place. This is some all-time cesspool rationale.

 

[WildTurk]

God i love this place. This is some all-time cesspool rationale.

But does God love this place?

 

[jneffer]

The medical establishment is the last thing you go to? You choose gorilla medicine and Chiropractors. Got it.

i'm trying to decide whether he meant "guerilla medicine" or if he's been seeing a silver back for medical guidance

 

[vhsalum]

i'm trying to decide whether he meant "guerilla medicine" or if he's been seeing a silver back for medical guidance

same difference.

 

[T8KUDWN]

hawk224, vhsalum and Mpchillin - Not quite sure what's funny about my last post?

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

hawk224, vhsalum and Mpchillin - Not quite sure what's funny about my last post?

If I had to guess it would be this:

Homeopathic, chiropractic and accountability for your own health are your best choice.

Like maybe not if one has cancer or something. For example, I would straight off take protons to the prostate, over Saw Palmetto or Stinging Nettle, if I were dealing with that kind.

 

[T8KUDWN]

If I had to guess it would be this:



Like maybe not if one has cancer or something. For example, I would straight off take protons to the prostate, over Saw Palmetto or Stinging Nettle, if I were dealing with that kind.

Weird how the person who wasn't asked the question answered and yeah, I know the post.
If you want radiation go ahead. You don't have a clue on the path I would take.

 

[Folkstylefan]

I don't get the scepticism (hostility) toward doctors and medical science. It takes just a little bit of common sense to know when to seek medical help and when to put down the donut.

Common sense and medical professionals do not go together. Been working in hospital organizations for over 40 yrs. Common sense doesn’t apply for 90% of health care professionals.

 

[GiApet]

Was passing through Iowa a few years ago and had to go to the hosptal with terrible pain..something with my appendix. After checking me out, the doctor told me he thinks he may have to set up emergency surgery. Through discussions while we were waiting on test results I found out he was a huge Hawk wrestling fan. After telling him I post on your board and that Im johnstownsteel he left the room for a bit. When he came back, he gave me two aspirins, my discharge papers and told me I'd be fine...nothing to worry about.

 

[WildTurk]

Was passing through Iowa a few years ago and had to go to the hosptal with terrible pain..something with my appendix. After checking me out, the doctor told me he thinks he may have to set up emergency surgery. Through discussions while we were waiting on test results I found out he was a huge Hawk wrestling fan. After telling him I post on your board and that Im johnstownsteel he left the room for a bit. When he came back, he gave me two aspirins, my discharge papers and told me I'd be fine...nothing to worry about.

3/10

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Weird how the person who wasn't asked the question answered and yeah, I know the post.
If you want radiation go ahead. You don't have a clue on the path I would take.

It's a community board, no?

A proton is a positively charged particle. It is not radioactive. It is radiated in a beam that precisely targets the cancer's DNA.

By contrast, inserted Cesium seeds (Cs-131) are the typical radiation treatment of the prostate. Both are science-based, but they are different. Once the seeds are retrieved there is no residual radiation in the body. The cesium seeds are to be handled as a controlled medical radioactive source. They could even be accidentally ejaculated. If this occurs, one is supposed to collect and handle it appropriately until it can be returned to the Healthcare provider.

Radiated vs Radiation or radioactive. I know it can be confusing.

Still some opt for snipping a portion of the prostate.

Of the available techniques, the chance of the negative consequence of permanent loss of the ability to get an erection varies.

I was contrasting homeopathic approaches with other methods scientifically demonstrated as effective, with benefits to cure worth any risk. That is the criteria for FDA approval.

I wasn't suggesting any path for anyone.
Still, I hope this information helps you decide on any future path.

 

[Urohawk]

Glad to see we're back on topic 😉.


Wow! Serious question, is that because it is a leading indicator of poor circulation (e.g., excessive arterial plaque build up)?

Yes, your penile arteries are a size smaller than your coronary (heart arteries). Under age of 45 for ED predicts early heart attacks because the penile arteries are the smallest and more susceptible to plaque build up. After 45, the prediction isn't as valid.