Pull The Shirts Win The Title
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Bad idea.
Why move sorenson?
Move a proven commodity to make room for a question mark. Makes no sense.
Burn the future because they MIGHT be ready today.
The whole idea that we have no chance is silly. Let things progress. Do t jump ship.
Why move sorenson?
Move a proven commodity to make room for a question mark. Makes no sense.
Burn the future because they MIGHT be ready today.
The whole idea that we have no chance is silly. Let things progress. Do t jump ship.
Absolutely not. If kem can make 41 and beat Brody that is something to think about.
Sorensen has a chance to win it all at 49 and zero chance to do that at 57.
Sorensen has a chance to win it all at 49 and zero chance to do that at 57.
I like the idea of pulling shirts but I don't like taking a potential finalist (Sorensen) and moving him up a weight in the middle of the season. Plus,hoping Brody can go at 41...
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This guy posts this about once a week. How about we save the shirts and win the title.
125 Finalist
133 Finalist
141 Grothus finalist
149 Finalist
174 AA
184 Finalist
197 AA or Finalist
Hwt AA
125 Finalist
133 Finalist
141 Grothus finalist
149 Finalist
174 AA
184 Finalist
197 AA or Finalist
Hwt AA
We need Bo Jordan to get his butt down to 165. He's the only one I feel like Alex can't beat at 74.
Nothing confirmed but I did hear he's on his way down and miles Martin will be at 74 for tosu.
Nothing confirmed but I did hear he's on his way down and miles Martin will be at 74 for tosu.
Why so much hype on Turk? Definitely not knocking him. Excited about his future. Just at a loss as to the hype. High school credentials are solid, results so far are ok. None of that equates to the hype. My opinion is hype is from media watching him in practice which is fine, but until he starts dominating all the open tournaments like Kem is, let's back off the hype a bit if you ask me.
Kemmerer is not an option at 141. He certified at 149. And by the way, why would Jordan (the Ohio State University) move down to 165. He's not going to beat the country's BEST wrestler in Okie State's Alex Deiringer. That's about as intelligent as Kevin Jackson telling Earl Hall to go "down" in the third when Hall wanted to go "neutral".
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I think the talk comes from the fact that we don't have a solid clear cut answer at 141 yet. Just trying to throw every option out there to get a winner. Hopefully that answer is Grothus and I believe it will be.
If any team needs to pull a RS to be competitive to win NC it's OSU. They need to pull Smith's RS at 157! That young man is gonna be good.
Folks, forgive me if my post read that I thought Kem should go 141, as I don't believe he should. My post was just in regards to the hype. Kem deserves it, as of now I don't believe Turk does. For what it's worth I think you give Carton a shot, but I see/hope Grothus is our man at 41 after Midlands, and both Kem & Turk stay redshirted.
I said IF he could make 41.
You'd have to talk to Tom Ryan on that one. I'm guessing they feel it makes their team better. I don't think it's far fetched to think Miles Martin could AA at 74. Maybe Bo thinks he can beat Deringer. I don't but he's pretty damn good.
You'd have to talk to Tom Ryan on that one. I'm guessing they feel it makes their team better. I don't think it's far fetched to think Miles Martin could AA at 74. Maybe Bo thinks he can beat Deringer. I don't but he's pretty damn good.
I don't think Turk is a round of 12 guy this year. I don't think Turk is better than Grothus or will score more points at Grothus at the NCAAs. For about the 200th time...they will not make a call at 141 until they know what Grothus can do. Posting otherwise 1-2 times a week isn't going to change that or make the Midlands start any faster.
I don't get why the call is always for Sorensen to move up. Why should the better and more proven guy be the one that has to move up a weight? He goes from a top 4 guy to only a potential AA. And then Kemerer is unlikely to finish as highly as Sorensen so you've very possibly hurt the team instead of helping the team.
Let it go. For the love of God, let it go.
I don't get why the call is always for Sorensen to move up. Why should the better and more proven guy be the one that has to move up a weight? He goes from a top 4 guy to only a potential AA. And then Kemerer is unlikely to finish as highly as Sorensen so you've very possibly hurt the team instead of helping the team.
Let it go. For the love of God, let it go.
I didn't want to be called a homer.What???? Why the lack of respect for Meyer and Stoll????
IMO the OP is a recipe for disaster not a title.
Turk hasn't proven anything yet and even at a weaker weight he's not a lock to even win a match at NCAAs. He may be better than our current starter but he has a lot of question marks.
Sorensen is a likely top 4, possibly finalist at 149 but I laugh at the idea that Kemerer could do that...and Sorensen is nowhere near a lock for a top 4 at 157.
Turk hasn't proven anything yet and even at a weaker weight he's not a lock to even win a match at NCAAs. He may be better than our current starter but he has a lot of question marks.
Sorensen is a likely top 4, possibly finalist at 149 but I laugh at the idea that Kemerer could do that...and Sorensen is nowhere near a lock for a top 4 at 157.
A few things: Don't jump ship on this years team just yet, they are 100% capable of winning the title this year. Hell, I'd say they are close to neck and neck with PSU, but maybe thats the Iowa homer in me speaking. I would however, put them above Okie State.
Gobblin was the first person to mention on these boards IIRC that there is a 'new mentality' in the room this year, and I think we're seeing the results of that. I feel like last year, some of our studs were content to get a 'dominant' win even if they didn't get the major. I feel like this year, they aren't content unless they get bonus points. Sorensen for example, widened the gap big time on Moreno. Gilman, widened the gap big time. Burak, bonus points galore so far compared to stingy last year. Brooks, absolutely dominating guys this year. Stoll looked GREAT! He whipped ISU's hwt just as bad as Telford always did, and showed a bigger variety of offense. He looked like an AA hwt IMO.
Every week we hear how 141 is in dire need of assistance, but to most people, the plan all along has been to wait for Grothus, we were all so excited preseason for Grothus to move down and how it puts us in the title race this year, yet we want to burn shirts before Grothus even gets his chance? No. Keep the shirts on Kem and Turk, Grothus WILL prove his worth, and AA at an extremely wide open 141.
I am not worried in the slightest about Gilman, Clark, Sorensen, Meyer, Brooks, or Burak. I would put money on all of these guys AA'ing. I really like how Stoll is coming along week after week. He and Grothus are the wildcards, and I think both can AA. Anything from 157 and 165 would just be icing on the cake, and it looks to be Rhoads spot as of now, that could change, but he shows a lot of grit in his matches, as does Cooper FWIW. However not sure they are point getters at this point.
If you want my opinion (And i know you do)
We have SOLID finalist potential at 125, 133, and 149.
174, 184, and 197 are SOLID top 4 potential, with as good a shot as the others in the top 4 at making the finals.
285 is looking like Low-Mid AA potential, but we shall continue to see.
141 is a wildcard, our best chance here is Grothus. I like his chances of AAing, as i've previously stated.
Also on the Bo Jordan topic, he DOES think he can beat Dieringer, i specifically remember watching an interview with him about his NCAA performance, and he said he thinks he can beat dieringer and hes already been working on some stuff to throw at him next time they meet. So I do think we'll see Bo at 165 and Martin at 174 for tOSU.
You're welcome for being my usual long winded self.
Gobblin was the first person to mention on these boards IIRC that there is a 'new mentality' in the room this year, and I think we're seeing the results of that. I feel like last year, some of our studs were content to get a 'dominant' win even if they didn't get the major. I feel like this year, they aren't content unless they get bonus points. Sorensen for example, widened the gap big time on Moreno. Gilman, widened the gap big time. Burak, bonus points galore so far compared to stingy last year. Brooks, absolutely dominating guys this year. Stoll looked GREAT! He whipped ISU's hwt just as bad as Telford always did, and showed a bigger variety of offense. He looked like an AA hwt IMO.
Every week we hear how 141 is in dire need of assistance, but to most people, the plan all along has been to wait for Grothus, we were all so excited preseason for Grothus to move down and how it puts us in the title race this year, yet we want to burn shirts before Grothus even gets his chance? No. Keep the shirts on Kem and Turk, Grothus WILL prove his worth, and AA at an extremely wide open 141.
I am not worried in the slightest about Gilman, Clark, Sorensen, Meyer, Brooks, or Burak. I would put money on all of these guys AA'ing. I really like how Stoll is coming along week after week. He and Grothus are the wildcards, and I think both can AA. Anything from 157 and 165 would just be icing on the cake, and it looks to be Rhoads spot as of now, that could change, but he shows a lot of grit in his matches, as does Cooper FWIW. However not sure they are point getters at this point.
If you want my opinion (And i know you do
)We have SOLID finalist potential at 125, 133, and 149.
174, 184, and 197 are SOLID top 4 potential, with as good a shot as the others in the top 4 at making the finals.
285 is looking like Low-Mid AA potential, but we shall continue to see.
141 is a wildcard, our best chance here is Grothus. I like his chances of AAing, as i've previously stated.
Also on the Bo Jordan topic, he DOES think he can beat Dieringer, i specifically remember watching an interview with him about his NCAA performance, and he said he thinks he can beat dieringer and hes already been working on some stuff to throw at him next time they meet. So I do think we'll see Bo at 165 and Martin at 174 for tOSU.
You're welcome for being my usual long winded self.
Think I heard Ironside say one of the worse things for a freshman is not taking the redshirt and that to many coaches are forcing kids into action when not ready . He talked about it today, but I didn't catch what else he was saying about it, but he referenced one of schwabs freshman that is wrestling this year.
If Jordan wants to beat Ringer he better focus less on throwing stuff at him and more on getting off bottom. He got ridden like a pony by both Ringer and his cousin.A few things: Don't jump ship on this years team just yet, they are 100% capable of winning the title this year. Hell, I'd say they are close to neck and neck with PSU, but maybe thats the Iowa homer in me speaking. I would however, put them above Okie State.
Gobblin was the first person to mention on these boards IIRC that there is a 'new mentality' in the room this year, and I think we're seeing the results of that. I feel like last year, some of our studs were content to get a 'dominant' win even if they didn't get the major. I feel like this year, they aren't content unless they get bonus points. Sorensen for example, widened the gap big time on Moreno. Gilman, widened the gap big time. Burak, bonus points galore so far compared to stingy last year. Brooks, absolutely dominating guys this year. Stoll looked GREAT! He whipped ISU's hwt just as bad as Telford always did, and showed a bigger variety of offense. He looked like an AA hwt IMO.
Every week we hear how 141 is in dire need of assistance, but to most people, the plan all along has been to wait for Grothus, we were all so excited preseason for Grothus to move down and how it puts us in the title race this year, yet we want to burn shirts before Grothus even gets his chance? No. Keep the shirts on Kem and Turk, Grothus WILL prove his worth, and AA at an extremely wide open 141.
I am not worried in the slightest about Gilman, Clark, Sorensen, Meyer, Brooks, or Burak. I would put money on all of these guys AA'ing. I really like how Stoll is coming along week after week. He and Grothus are the wildcards, and I think both can AA. Anything from 157 and 165 would just be icing on the cake, and it looks to be Rhoads spot as of now, that could change, but he shows a lot of grit in his matches, as does Cooper FWIW. However not sure they are point getters at this point.
If you want my opinion (And i know you do
We have SOLID finalist potential at 125, 133, and 149.
174, 184, and 197 are SOLID top 4 potential, with as good a shot as the others in the top 4 at making the finals.
285 is looking like Low-Mid AA potential, but we shall continue to see.
141 is a wildcard, our best chance here is Grothus. I like his chances of AAing, as i've previously stated.
Also on the Bo Jordan topic, he DOES think he can beat Dieringer, i specifically remember watching an interview with him about his NCAA performance, and he said he thinks he can beat dieringer and hes already been working on some stuff to throw at him next time they meet. So I do think we'll see Bo at 165 and Martin at 174 for tOSU.
You're welcome for being my usual long winded self.
Agreed. Turk already has lost to lower competition, but that's fine, let him get seasoned and dominate. He's already got a tourney title under his belt, let's hope that drives him harder!
Grothus is the key for us. Beating a dead horse, I know, but if he makes weight and can maintain, he will make some noise!
If there was going to be any hope of Kemerer wrestling in the lineup this year, it ended when they kept him at 149. He was already at 152 this past summer, and if the plan was for him to challenge for the lineup, he would have moved up to 157.
I do believe that Stoll is going to move up. The guy just wants that pin every time!
Go Hawks!!
Why do people post silliness like this?
- Turk has done nothing to suggest he could be a round of 12 guy.
- Kemerer has apparently looked good, but there's no way in the world that Brands would bump a potential NC a weight class to make room for a true Freshman. It's not fair to BS, and it costs the team more points at 149 than they gain at 157.
Couple things of note that occurred this past weekend:
1) Tshirt lost to the guy from Drexel, like 7-3. That will most-likely push Sorensen to #1, which will improve his seeding at NCAA's
2) (bad data)...
1) Tshirt lost to the guy from Drexel, like 7-3. That will most-likely push Sorensen to #1, which will improve his seeding at NCAA's
2) (bad data)...
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Kroells beat the back-up. Marsden sat out because of the flagrant misconduct against SDSU.
285: #9 Michael Kroells (Minn) dec. Austin Schafer (OSU) 8-3
Ah, my bad. Serves me right for not doing my own research. I saw someone posted that Kroells beat Marsden and believed it.
I feel the same way about BoJo & Bo Nickal. Without him, I could totally see Meyer & Nickal in the finals.
And the answer to Fleming's question above about why BoJo might move down to 165 is clearly: an improved team score. Myles Martin has successfully made 174 weight in opens all season so far. He won the ESU Open over some D1 & some non-D1 comp, dropped a decent decision to CMU's Mike Ottinger in the MSU Open finals (4-3) and last weekend mauled all non-D1 comp to win the Findlay (OH) Open. All at 174. Ottinger's a Top-10 SR, R12 or better kinda dude this year. If Martin's trajectory is at or higher than that, then a BoJo + Martin 165/174 combo scores a few more points at MSG than a Kresevic + BoJo one. If you concede BoJo a title at 174, but only a finalist at 165, you've got the 4pts lost in the finals, however many fewer Bonus Points he might get at 174 vs 165 (I'm seeing it about even, really, although I'm very curious about both Meyer & Nickal vs him), Ryan's in the business of evaluating Myles Martin to see if he can:
a. Make up the lost 4pts from D-ringer over BoJo and;
b. Add more to that than Kresevic's best case scenario (2-2? 1.5 to 3pts?)
Maybe it's not worth it, but he's got plenty of time to determine it.
Brutus is a very compelling challenger to Iowa, PSU and OkSt. In addition to NaTo & BoJo guaranteed to score big, Coach Tom's Jake Ryan to 157 & Micah Jordan to 141 moves appear to be working out. Depending on your taeks about the relative healing powers of surgically repaired elbows, they could still bring in a possible/probable semifinalist in January. They've already committed to Mark Martin over Kollin Moore at 197 and they've got a decent heavy fending off stiff competition in the room. Add in the always mercurial JDJ & Kenny Courts and brutus could be a real force at MSG.
Unless they changed how they seed, Tshirt's loss and Sorensen's ranking will have no effect on Sorensen's seeding for NCAAs
The only weight worth looking at this would be 141 since it's such an unknown, and probably one of the bigger holes for the Hawks. Sorenson could not compete the same at 157 at this point, he'd just be too small. He won't be beating Nolf, he won't be beating Miller and he certainly won't be beating Martinez. Kemerer is also not a sure thing and the high end of 149 is pretty tough this season. Sorenson is realistically a top 4 talent, changing things up is a total gamble. The Hawks sit in a pretty nice position right now.
125 Gilman - Top 5, realistically I see him wrestling for 3rd. He looks great this year, but there's a lot of depth at 125 (is this the deepest weight?) and Gilman is known to have the occasional brain fart on the mat. Let's say 3rd place finish to be realistic/not overly optimistic.
133 Clark - Top 4, realistically should be in the finals as things seem now. I don't know if he can beat a 100% filled out Brewer, but he should be able to hang with the likes of Garrett I would think (wouldn't be surprised to see Garrett win the match up, but give the edge to Clark). Let's say 2nd.
141 Grothus (if me makes it) - I get attacked on this boards for my Grothus opinions, but I will say R12 finish for a "healthy" albeit sucked down Grothus.
149 Sorenson - Top 4, but probably not beating Retherford. Tsirtsis looked awful this weekend, but one shouldn't count him out yet. I see Sorenson as a 2/3 placer overall (I think Mayes of MO may give him some fits) but let's say 2 for the time being.
157 Cooper - NQ 1-2 not much to be said here, every team has a weak point and this is definitely a glaring one for the Hawks.
165 Paddock - NQ 1-2 at best again. The other glaring weak point for the Hawks.
174 Meyer - definite fringe AA to possible high finisher. I think he could fill in somewhere between 5 and 8, I will say 6th to match his predecessor's performances.
184 Brooks - Now here is the man who can win it all for the Hawks. 184 is loaded with pretty similar talent levels, but nobody has looked to be unbeatable (Dean included). Brooks can possibly win it with how he's wrestling now, or he could not AA again if he's not at 100%. I think this is the difference maker one way or another.
197 Burak - Realistically should get 3rd. He's not as talented as Cox or McIntosh but he will keep things close. I would say he's the lower of the elite tier at 197.
285 Stoll - He looks solid but not like a champ. I think he will battle it out for a low AA finish or look at R12/16 in a poor performance. I think he will make the podium in the 7-8 range with Kroells of Minnesota.
Overall this would look like 3, 2, R12, 2, NQ, NQ, 6, ?, 3, 7. This could win it all, and would look really solid if Brooks can separate himself from a fairly consistent weight. OSU has not looked great, but it's early and they have (at least in the last 4 years) looked VERY solid in March. Penn State offers the biggest challenge at this point IMO. 125, 149, 157, 174 and 197 can all challenge for a title. 133, 141, 165 and 184 will struggle to be a lower 6-8 place finishers and they have nothing at heavy with Nevills being out. Again, I think it all comes down to Brooks performing and finishing in the top 4. /Sorry for the short story
125 Gilman - Top 5, realistically I see him wrestling for 3rd. He looks great this year, but there's a lot of depth at 125 (is this the deepest weight?) and Gilman is known to have the occasional brain fart on the mat. Let's say 3rd place finish to be realistic/not overly optimistic.
133 Clark - Top 4, realistically should be in the finals as things seem now. I don't know if he can beat a 100% filled out Brewer, but he should be able to hang with the likes of Garrett I would think (wouldn't be surprised to see Garrett win the match up, but give the edge to Clark). Let's say 2nd.
141 Grothus (if me makes it) - I get attacked on this boards for my Grothus opinions, but I will say R12 finish for a "healthy" albeit sucked down Grothus.
149 Sorenson - Top 4, but probably not beating Retherford. Tsirtsis looked awful this weekend, but one shouldn't count him out yet. I see Sorenson as a 2/3 placer overall (I think Mayes of MO may give him some fits) but let's say 2 for the time being.
157 Cooper - NQ 1-2 not much to be said here, every team has a weak point and this is definitely a glaring one for the Hawks.
165 Paddock - NQ 1-2 at best again. The other glaring weak point for the Hawks.
174 Meyer - definite fringe AA to possible high finisher. I think he could fill in somewhere between 5 and 8, I will say 6th to match his predecessor's performances.
184 Brooks - Now here is the man who can win it all for the Hawks. 184 is loaded with pretty similar talent levels, but nobody has looked to be unbeatable (Dean included). Brooks can possibly win it with how he's wrestling now, or he could not AA again if he's not at 100%. I think this is the difference maker one way or another.
197 Burak - Realistically should get 3rd. He's not as talented as Cox or McIntosh but he will keep things close. I would say he's the lower of the elite tier at 197.
285 Stoll - He looks solid but not like a champ. I think he will battle it out for a low AA finish or look at R12/16 in a poor performance. I think he will make the podium in the 7-8 range with Kroells of Minnesota.
Overall this would look like 3, 2, R12, 2, NQ, NQ, 6, ?, 3, 7. This could win it all, and would look really solid if Brooks can separate himself from a fairly consistent weight. OSU has not looked great, but it's early and they have (at least in the last 4 years) looked VERY solid in March. Penn State offers the biggest challenge at this point IMO. 125, 149, 157, 174 and 197 can all challenge for a title. 133, 141, 165 and 184 will struggle to be a lower 6-8 place finishers and they have nothing at heavy with Nevills being out. Again, I think it all comes down to Brooks performing and finishing in the top 4. /Sorry for the short story
Kroells is a big reason why Stoll didn't attend MN. Stoll always had trouble with him in HS, but obv as an underclassman. Kroells has gained 40 pounds since to match Sam's size. Obviously things can change. I think Sam is in the AA convo by the end I the year tho
I agree with the placement assessment but not sure that wins it. If we get 70 points from our top 4 guys (125, 133, 149, 197), we'll need another 40 from 141, 174, 184 and Hwy--which means all need to place top 5-6. It can be done, but Grothus and Stoll are leaps of faith. Right now Flo has us 3rd behind Okie State and Penn State, which I think is accurate. All we need to win is Imar as our 57-pounder.
The Buckeyes, I believe, will be fortunate at year's end to be in the top 5. Here's my reasoning:
1-No Bryan Snyder
2-No mortal lock like a "Logan Stieber"
3-Lack bonus points firepower. Too many guys content on winning one-point matches
4-Too many holes lacking NCAA tournament exposure, 141, 157, HWT
5-Kenny Courts won't have the dream-filled tournament he had a season ago.
6-And a serious health question at 149
My projections-
125-Tomasello, Top 3
133- Di Julius, 6-8
141-Jordan-Possibly Rd 12
149-Stieber, If healthy, 6-8, unhealthy NO AA
157-Ryan, Lucky to be Rd 12 guy
165-Jordan Top 3, any other competitor NO AA
174-Jordan Top 4, any other competitor NO AA
184-Courts- Returning AA WHO WILL NOT AA THIS SEASON
197-Mark Martin--NO AA
HWT- Nick Tavenello-NO AA
I have the Ohio State Buckeyes with a generous (5) A.A More than likely, (4).
Who is Bryan Snyder? Is this the new creative misspelling of Kyle?
2 notes: Jordan at 141 will AA...he is better than many think...also, I think it's possible Tavanello will be R12 or AA based on his draw if healthy. He was not healthy at the end of the season last year. Stieber's situation is unfortunate. I'm not sure we'll get to see a fully healthy Steiber again this year, but I could be wrong on that. If he is healthy, Tomasello, Jordan, Jordan & Steiber are all bonus point guys (DiJulius can be as well)...
Without Snyder, they may finish lower than top 5 or they may finish right up there if the cards fall their way.
I consider myself to be an optimist.
But when was the last time the Hawks had 6 finalists? Gable's final year?
Wow, ok. For fun, I'll look at each of those assertions:
1-No Bryan Snyder
- While I suppose it's still possible for Kyle Snyder to abandon his OlyRS & compete this March, in projecting a current team's possible points, I never give any debate points to naming wrestlers who aren't competing that year. May as well list 'No J Jaggers' as your number 1.
2-No mortal lock like a "Logan Stieber"
- Conceded, for a title. But NaTo & BoJo are very, very strong candidates for the finals.
3-Lack bonus points firepower. Too many guys content on winning one-point matches
- NaTo last year: 34-4 with an 89.5% Bonus Win Percentage, including 3 out of 5 at nationals
- BoJo last year: 21-2 with a 91.3% Bonus %, including 3 out of 5 at nationals
- Micah's a bonus machine early this year; seems unaffected by the cut
- Tavanello had two pins at nationals two years ago when he was healthy
- Conceded on JDJ, Ryan, Kresevic, Courts & Hunter's current backup
4-Too many holes lacking NCAA tournament exposure, 141, 157, HWT
- We probably disagree on how important prior nationals experience is. Probably a broken record at this point, but NaTo & BoJo had none heading into St. Louis. Nor did Gilman or Sorenson. Freshmen ball out at nationals all the time, especially ones with deep pedigrees and a redshirt year.
- Micah looks Top-4 to me in a wide, wide-open 141 class. He'll be right up there with other newcomers like McKenna, Nolf & Nickal.
- I'll concede a possible hole at 157, cuz I can't tell yet what they've got in Jake Ryan,
- Jimmy Lawson busted Tavanello last year, so his 0-2 finish was unsurprising, but the year prior, he went 5-1 with two Falls after losing in R1 to finish R12. With a weakish 285 class around the back end of the podium this year, I don't consider him a hole at all. Fully capable of finishing AA in that weight class at MSG
5-Kenny Courts won't have the dream-filled tournament he had a season ago.
- Concur. That McCutcheon let him back into that Qtrs match he was controlling was such a bummer. Yeah, no way dude navigates that 184 field again this year.
6-And a serious health question at 149
- Concur, it's a question. Surgically repaired elbows are easier to return from than repaired labrums, tho. And if the answer is Healthy, Hunter's every bit in the top tier with Sorenson, zPain & Tshirt.
I agree with you on JDJ, but the back end of 197's podium is underwhelming as well and I haven't yet seen the Heflinized Mark Martin. But overall, damn man, even with that awful tourney you're projecting Brutus to have, who beyond Iowa, PSU & OkSt has a chance to score better than they? Va Tech would have to wrestle out of their minds, but maybe? Michigan needs Zac Hall instead of Fisher, Murphy & Mahomes to be healthy and a yanking the RS off Logan Massa to come close. Cornell? On the strength of 3 balls-out Champs and a Duke Pickett?
Nah, Brutus won't falter enough to drop out of the Top-5. And I think they're far more likely to place ahead of a troubled (at 133, 157, 184 & 197) Oklahoma State.
If you believe this you've been terribly misinformed... Again.
