Question about Michael Payne

[nagemj02]

All you need to do is look at the shooting percentages above for our guards on this team and realize why we struggled. Wasn't that also one of the first years of the 3 point shot? (I think 82-83 was the first in the Big 10?) Todd Berkenpas never really became the sharp shooter he was projected to be coming out as Iowa's first Mr Basketball. IIRC, Carfino put up a fair amount of 3's, but I'm guessing as a whole we were abysmal.

The 3 pointer was still conference specific until the NCAA adopted it in ~ 86-87 (?) and it wasn't even kept as a separate stat line until then.

I remember hearing Raveling (at an event in Ottumwa) before his first season say that he thought we should win not only a Big 10 title but contend for an NCAA title. I also heard that Stokes was not a fan of Lute.

Yes, the Big Ten used the 3PT line for conference games only in the 1982-1983 season (I believe Steve Carfino actually led the conference in 3PT percentage) but then scrapped it for the next three seasons until it was adapted nationwide prior to the 1986-1987 season.

Also, the (45 second) shot-clock was added prior to the 1985-1986 season. Then it was changed to 35 seconds prior to the 1993-1994 season. The most recent change was to 30 seconds prior to the 2015-2016 season.

 

[wneff]

I believe Payne's high school teammate was Illinois player of the year, Wasn't He? Bruce Douglas was his name I think.

Yes, but Douglas was a year behind Payne at Quincy.

 

[amahawk]

Funny, I thought I heard a quote from Raveling that Iowa was greatly undermanned compared to the other contenders in the Big Ten. Something like, Iowa was going to war with pistols against teams that had automatic weapons. I am sure that Iowa was ranked in the top 10 nationally, maybe even top 5, entering Raveling's first year, but they finished 6-12 in conference. I don't remember any serious injuries, just remarkable underachievement.

Maybe it was the in game coaching?

 

[Fan In Black]

I wish I could remember Ravelings coaching. I was too young to really understand if he was terrible or not. I really liked him though haha. He was interesting..even to a boy like me. Remember him reviewing books on the coaches show?

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Yes, but Douglas was a year behind Payne at Quincy.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...y.html&usg=AFQjCNHKrQjH4nEhWPBOgzOhIBnan8HJqg

You might be right, but I believe Payne was considered by most to be the top recruit in Illannoy coming out of HS his sr year. I remember watching the HS playoffs on TV and the announcers raving about Payne... Link gives you an idea how many great players have come out of Illinois. I hadn't realized that Ronnie Lester had a huge growth spurt in HS, which might be how Lute got him before the blue bloods rushed in.

 

[nagemj02]

Here's Payne and Bruce Douglas in their 1981 IHSA State Title game (skip ahead to the 29:43 mark to see the tip-off):

 

[Ngnosis hwk scence]

Holy smokes... keep bringing back your memories and stories.about Payne and Stokes (Pain and strokes)

Hoping they are OK. They are great Hawkeyes no matter what. Trust they are well and OK to this day.

 

[DanL53]

I wish I could remember Ravelings coaching. I was too young to really understand if he was terrible or not. I really liked him though haha. He was interesting..even to a boy like me. Remember him reviewing books on the coaches show?

I hated those book reports. And, perhaps someone can verify for me...didn't he once decide to use practice time to motivate his guys by making them watch "Patton"? And the sweat suits. It's funny but I do like Raveling and I think he is an extraordinary guy. But some of his stuff...

..and I think it is safe to say now. Just for fun. I had a nephew who had a student work job cleaning up offices in Carver. He used to bring home (out of the trash) hand drawn basketball plays that George was coming up with. So the guy did think about game coaching.

 

[DanL53]

Holy smokes... keep bringing back your memories and stories.about Payne and Stokes (Pain and strokes)

Hoping they are OK. They are great Hawkeyes no matter what. Trust they are well and OK to this day.

I have a good one about Kenny Arnold. As I attempted to attend the U of I once in awhile when I wasn't too hung over, I had a job at the McDonald's on Riverside. One day Kenny came in with Boyle and two other Hawkeyes but memory is fading. Waite I think...not sure who else. They all had letterman jackets on except Kenny. Kenny had this great big coat with a huge collar and it stretched all the way down to his ankles. Anyway, he stood behind the others while they all ordered and paid. And every single one of them turned and asked him, "Kenny, you want anything?", or something like that. He'd say no every time.

I mean, I'm thinking poor Kenny Arnold has NO money. The other guys got their stuff and went to sit down. When they were out of sight Kenny came up and ordered, and paid from a mass of bills he pulled out of his pocket all crumpled up like they were just wads of paper tossed in there instead of littering. I guess he didn't want the guys to know he was doing pretty well. Kenny was just weird.

I ran into and spent a little time with many of the guys for about a year there. Mostly running into them at "The Fieldhouse", the other one...close to "Maxwell's". Once or twice went to other places. For some reason Kevin Boyle would tell me about parties. Those guys were all just normal people which is of course a cliche. They were young and liked having fun. They weren't supposed to be public figures or anything. We fans make the players into that sort of thing and kind of screw up their college years a bit, sometimes.

 

[Ngnosis hwk scence]

tx danl53... always good to share stories.

Hawkeyes FOREVER

 

[CanadaHawk]

I hated those book reports. And, perhaps someone can verify for me...didn't he once decide to use practice time to motivate his guys by making them watch "Patton"? And the sweat suits. It's funny but I do like Raveling and I think he is an extraordinary guy. But some of his stuff...

..and I think it is safe to say now. Just for fun. I had a nephew who had a student work job cleaning up offices in Carver. He used to bring home (out of the trash) hand drawn basketball plays that George was coming up with. So the guy did think about game coaching.

I remember the "Patton" rumor. One reason the IU vs UI games were memorable is that Raveling and Bob Knight were good friends so they put particular emphasis on those contests. In fact, I think that was one of the reasons George took the job is that his buddy Knight was in the Big Ten.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Missed more shots inside 3 feet than anyone i can remember

Oh yeah. I have yet to see anything like it in my life. He must have shot 15% from 3 ft in. If he could have somehow managed 40%, that team would have won a lot more games.

 

[nagemj02]

Here's a game from Payne's freshman season (1982 2nd round game vs. the best team Idaho has ever had), along with many of the guys you mentioned, Dan. Interestingly enough, George Raveling (HC of Washington State at the time) joined the telecast that day. Edit: Now I realize why he was there (game played on WSU's home court):

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Here's a game from Payne's freshman season (1982 2nd round game vs. the best team Idaho has ever had), along with many of the guys you mentioned, Dan. Interestingly enough, George Raveling (HC of Washington State at the time) joined the telecast that day. Edit: Now I realize why he was there (game played on WSU's home court):

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Ugh. That is some butt-ugly basketball.

 

[nagemj02]

Ugh. That is some butt-ugly basketball.

So, I'm guessing you've liked it better ever since the NCAA introduced the shot-clock and 3PT shot?

 

[Hawki40]

The way I remember it, both Stokes and Payne were skilled players. Stokes had an aggressive mental make up and Michael Payne's was more passive. Pure and simple that was the difference. They both were very good players but Payne didn't have an aggressive nature.

Payne was soft. He didn't slam dunk the ball because he didn't want to hurt his fingers. He was a good player though...just not an aggressive nature.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

So, I'm guessing you've liked it better ever since the NCAA introduced the shot-clock and 3PT shot?

Yes and no. The rules are an improvement, but I enjoyed CBB then too. It was just a pretty ugly game.

 

[Hawki40]

I wish I could remember Ravelings coaching. I was too young to really understand if he was terrible or not. I really liked him though haha. He was interesting..even to a boy like me. Remember him reviewing books on the coaches show?

I remember him as a great recruiter but not a good bench coach.

 

[cleotishaywood]

I remember the Rev. Bob and his introduction of Payne before the tip-off.

"At center, a 6'-11" freshman from Quincy, Illinois, number 42, Michael Payne!"