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Ranking big Ten bball venues

ThomesG.Hey

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Jul 23, 2016
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Over a two-week span, we're answering the following question for college basketball's 10 best conferences: Which venue in each conference is the toughest place to play? A number of factors, not just capacity and attendance, could affect a venue's place in the order. Where does your school fall?

Oh, sure, the 2015-16 season may have extended the Big Ten's national title drought to the better part of two decades, but it also extended a much less ignominious, and borderline mind-blowing streak: it was the 40th straight year the league led the nation in attendance.

If a difficult venue is a full venue, the Big Ten has more of both than most. Not that there aren't exceptions ...

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14. Penn State Nittany Lions: Bryce Jordan Center, opened in 1995




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Speaking of exceptions, here's one that proves the rule. The Bryce Jordan Center is a perfectly nice and relatively new arena that few people actually ever enter, at least for Penn State basketball games. In a gym that seats 15,000, the Nittany Lions averaged just 6,909 per game last season. "They have a dark gym," Indiana guard Yogi Ferrell said in March. "And it's a little quiet."

Fun fact: In 2011, the Nittany Lions were barred from practicing in their own gym for two straight weeks by famous rock artists/time lords Bon Jovi (Week 1) and a career fair (Week 2). Ouch.

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13. Rutgers Scarlet Knights: Rutgers Athletic Center, opened in 1977
Basketball is an intimate sport, which is why a smallish arena can be its perfect setting. (See: Indoor Stadium, Cameron.) In the past, Rutgers' home gym, also known as the RAC, was exactly that. In this world, the Scarlet Knights have won three (!) Big Ten games in the past two seasons. They all came at the RAC.

Fun fact: One of those three wins came against back-to-back Final Four participant Wisconsin. (Frank Kaminsky was hurt, but still.)

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12. Northwestern Wildcats: Welsh-Ryan Arena, opened in 1952

Nebraska Cornhuskers: Pinnacle Bank Arena, opened in 2013
Is this a tough place to play? It's too early to say. Pinnacle is basically brand new, and its first season (2013-14) was a rousing success. Nebraska went 19-13, lost just once at home and made the NCAA tournament for the first time in forever. The Cornhuskers have regressed in the two seasons since, though, which has made it hard to appraise, tough-venue-wise.

Fun fact: Pinnacle suite-goers can enjoy 10 sushi rolls, 12 pieces of nigiri and 12 pieces of sashimi for $204. And why not? Nebraska is famous for its sushi, right?

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10. Ohio State Buckeyes: Value City Arena, opened in 1998
Argument in favor: Ohio State has had its best, most sustained period of basketball success since it moved to Value City Arena in 1998.

Argument against: Coach Thad Matta could probably win basketball games in a derelict Eastern European airplane hangar.

Argument in favor: In 2010-11, in a move rare among major college programs, and in the hopes of boosting atmosphere, OSU actually listened to its fans and relocated student seats behind team benches.

Argument against: Its official title is "Value City Arena at The Jerome Schottenstein Center."

Fun fact: OSU designed its current home with an eye toward preempting Columbus' own pro-arena ambitions ... which is how a program that averaged fewer than 13,000 fans per game last season (which is a lot!) wound up in a 19,000-seat gym.

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9. Iowa Hawkeyes: Carver-Hawkeye Arena, opened in 1983

The Summit 12 hours earlier -- it can be downright dreary.

Fun fact: Carver's most unique feature is that it resides almost entirely underground, in a concrete bowl carved (sorry) out of the side of a hill, which earned its designers the prestigious American Institute of Architects Honors Award in 1984.

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8. Minnesota Golden Gophers: Williams Arena, opened in 1928
The only reason Williams Arena isn't higher (er, lower) on this list is because it wasn't difficult to play Richard Pitino's teamanywhere in 2015-16. Despite that 8-23 (2-16 Big Ten) disaster, though, "The Barn" hosted an average of 11,000 Gopher die-hards per game; their raucous dedication was rewarded with a cathartic Feb. 18 upset of Maryland. It helps that The Barn is one of the nation's most historic sports venues, one so well-designed that it remains as fashionable now as at any point in the past 90 years.

Fun fact: The Minnesota Field House was built in 1928, the same year as Butler's famed Hinkle Fieldhouse. From 1928 until 1950, Hinkle was the biggest college hoops arena in the country; after a 1950 renovation (and a name change), Williams Arena became the largest -- a title it held until 1971. Good
 
Eamonn Brennan's an IU grad, so he's a bit biased towards the Hoosiers.

The rest he has are:

11. Nebraska (cut and paste might have blocked it out)

7. Illinois
6. Michigan
5. Maryland
4. Purdue
3. Wisconsin
2. Michigan State
1. Indiana
 
I have to give the nod 50/50 to Wisconsin and Michigan State. But a big part of that is my opinion that to play at either place often requires brass knuckles and steel balls.
 
Brennan is also an Iowa native and is usually pretty pro Hawkeye. Can't really argue with Iowa's place here.
 
The only way to rise to a national level is to have a billionaire Iowa alumni who loves Iowa Mens basketball ( No way for the lame womens game) who want to donate at least $100 million to start the construction. A new arena is going to cost at least $250 ( based on Louisville's YUM! Brands arena that is considered top 15 material national and seats around 22,000, up from 15500 of today's Carver). Best arena I've personally been to was the one in Indy " Bankers Life Fieldhouse". Over 18,000 seats for basketball. Iowa could have Mens BB, wrestling and even ice hockey.... and maybe womens volleyball on special occassions, Money makers, only.

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The only way to rise to a national level is to have a billionaire Iowa alumni who loves Iowa Mens basketball ( No way for the lame womens game) who want to donate at least $100 million to start the construction.
Hey now, no need to take a swipe at the ladies. By the way, who is to say for sure that the ultra rich donor you suggest make it happen is not a woman.
 
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nu2u... most billionaires are men. Women billionaires are often widows or daugthers (heiresses). I am not Bluder fan. Vivian Stringer made Iowa WBB good and a bit attractive. Iowa WBB is not that good, too vanilla. Not worthy of a new arena.
 
The only way to rise to a national level is to have a billionaire Iowa alumni who loves Iowa Mens basketball ( No way for the lame womens game) who want to donate at least $100 million to start the construction. A new arena is going to cost at least $250 ( based on Louisville's YUM! Brands arena that is considered top 15 material national and seats around 22,000, up from 15500 of today's Carver). Best arena I've personally been to was the one in Indy " Bankers Life Fieldhouse". Over 18,000 seats for basketball. Iowa could have Mens BB, wrestling and even ice hockey.... and maybe womens volleyball on special occassions, Money makers, only.

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Bankers Life is a great place to watch an event.
 
I have to give the nod 50/50 to Wisconsin and Michigan State. But a big part of that is my opinion that to play at either place often requires brass knuckles and steel balls.
If those are your primary critera, Purdue should move up.
 
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From the ESPN Article:
Carver-Hawkeye has high highs and low lows. When the Hawks are rolling and a big opponent is in town, it's one of the toughest buildings anywhere. Any other time -- or, say, in an early-Saturday-afternoon start, when an already-small student section has been decimated by whatever its members did at The Summit 12 hours earlier -- it can be downright dreary.

How large is the student section and where is it located?
 
Rankings seem about right. If anything, Iowa might move down a slot or two, which is sad given the lack of pro sports competing for attention in Iowa.
 
I've watched very few Maryland games but it "seemed" their crowd is pretty intense and has a great student section (at least during the Iowa game) ... Seemed (on TV) to be more intimidating than Purdue or Indiana.

I wouldn't have considered Indiana as the toughest venue ... I would give that nod to MSU ... Also, The Kohl Center seems to give us fits ...

Carver seems in about the right spot ... My personal to cents would have been to start over and invest in a new arena for the future. I've been a Hawk for for 35+ years ... and I remember when Carver opened. It was "cool" for awhile because how it was built ...

I can't put my finger on it but just the overall vibe of the place doesn't really energize you. It's too dark ... I know there are many worse arenas ... I just think it would have been neat to invest in a new facility. But given the cost of a new arena ... I get it ... But, continuing to dump money into Carver ... I don't know ... Kinnick Stadium? Yes. Kinnick is Kinnick... It's Wrigley Field ... Historic ... Don't mess with it... Carver? Ehhh ...
 
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The biggest problems with Carver are:

1) The openings at the top let most of the noise out
2) The students are not given a ring around the court where they can stand the whole game and create a better atmosphere

The first one is a structural issue. The second one is easily addressed if we wanted to make it better.
 
The biggest problems with Carver are:

1) The openings at the top let most of the noise out
2) The students are not given a ring around the court where they can stand the whole game and create a better atmosphere

The first one is a structural issue. The second one is easily addressed if we wanted to make it better.

What is the openings at the top for?
 
I wish they would enclose the top so people couldn't leave early and watch from the top. I am torn on what to do with the students. Part of me feels they need to show up and earn the right to some court side seats. Would the students show up if given sections around the arena? I would at least surround the opposing bench with students.
 
I wish they would enclose the top so people couldn't leave early and watch from the top. I am torn on what to do with the students. Part of me feels they need to show up and earn the right to some court side seats. Would the students show up if given sections around the arena? I would at least surround the opposing bench with students.
That seems like a fair compromise.
 
The biggest problems with Carver are:

1) The openings at the top let most of the noise out
2) The students are not given a ring around the court where they can stand the whole game and create a better atmosphere

The first one is a structural issue. The second one is easily addressed if we wanted to make it better.

As someone who has had season tics for a really long time...

I'm not convinced the students would show up (in the same mode as say MichSt) if they had a "ring around the court". There are a number of student sections such IowaSt & Wisconsin where the students are actually located directly behind the baskets...they seem to be able to create a pretty good atmosphere.

I would have gladly given up my seat location if someone could have convinced me the Iowa students would have created a better atmosphere..
 
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