Rebounding, Again. Purdue Rebounded 50% of their Missed Shots & had 20 Second Chance Pts

[Franisdaman]

Purdue:
42 missed shots
21 offensive rebounds (50%)

Iowa:
35 missed shots
10 offensive rebounds (29%)

Second Chance Points
20: Purdue
09: IOWA


Complete Stats: https://hawkeyesports.com/sidearmstats/mbball/team-stats;period=F

 

[MepoDawg#]

Purdue:
42 missed shots
21 offensive rebounds (50%)

Iowa:
35 missed shots
10 offensive rebounds (29%)

Iowa for some reason doesn’t crash the boards much with more than 1 or 2 players. A lot of times they’re standing around watching their shot (hmmmm JW hmmmmm). Need to tighten that up. May give up some easy transition, but need better rebounding.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Oh my gosh that rebounding stat just made me want to puke.

 

[Franisdaman]

Oh my gosh that rebounding stat just made me want to puke.

unbelievable, isn't it?

Second Chance Points
20: Purdue
09: IOWA

 

[HawkAssassin]

It’s what happens against a good offensive system that can get a defense scrambling. No one’s in position for a rebound. Iowa isn’t disciplined enough to guard a team like Purdue, even when they’re down.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

unbelievable, isn't it?

Second Chance Points
20: Purdue
09: IOWA

I knew what the rebounding margin was but when you say that you miss and get a free possession 50% of the time... that is unreal.

 

[LuteHawk]

Connor was 2 out of 8 from three point
land. While Garza and Fredrick were
both 2 out 5 on 3 pointers. Wieskamp
was 0-2 from downtown.

Bottom Line: Connor shot too much
tonight and did not help the offense at
all.

 

[RocknRollface]

It’s what happens against a good offensive system that can get a defense scrambling. No one’s in position for a rebound. Iowa isn’t disciplined enough to guard a team like Purdue, even when they’re down.

Their system is crash the offensive boards, and that's not a system.

Iowa was in position to get the rebounds and then let the Purdue players either push them off the spot or go around them.

Iowa got out toughed.

 

[RocknRollface]

Connor was 2 out of 8 from three point
land. While Garza and Fredrick were
both 2 out 5 on 3 pointers. Wieskamp
was 0-2 from downtown.

Bottom Line: Connor shot too much
tonight and did not help the offense at
all.

Most of Connors 3s were late in the clock.

Teams are doubling Garza and daring Connor to shoot.

 

[Franisdaman]

I knew what the rebounding margin was but when you say that you miss and get a free possession 50% of the time... that is unreal.

we were completely destroyed on the glass; but that's been the case since Fran arrived in Iowa City

 

[RocknRollface]

I knew what the rebounding margin was but when you say that you miss and get a free possession 50% of the time... that is unreal.

Purdue is a shit offensive team.

 

[Franisdaman]

Fran just said on BTN that "You can't give up 20 offensive rebounds and expect to win."

Well, it was 21 offensive rebounds....

LOL

 

[KcTo]

unbelievable, isn't it?

Second Chance Points
20: Purdue
09: IOWA

It’s all broken down right here;
https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/thre...he-elimination-of-the-4-guard-offense.304327/

if you start 4 guard defense versus the #2 Off Rebounding team, the percentages say your going to lose that metric, maybe losing it big, and that has the potential to reduce your chances of winning, maybe greatly reduce your chances.

Conversely, Iowa went bigger more in 2H and not surprisingly outscored Purdue by +8 in 2H.

 

[Franisdaman]

Complete Stats: https://hawkeyesports.com/sidearmstats/mbball/team-stats;period=F

 

[HawkLogic]

Boudreax had 14 rebounds by himself. Kriener only had 2, Connor only had 3, JoeW had 7, and Pemsl 0. Garza only Hawkeye that put in max effort---12 rebounds.

If we had Boudreax as grad transfer or we had someone that matched up with him with similar skills/effort/size we would have one the game. Pemsl doesn't have the skills Boudreax has, Connor doesn't have his size. Kriener ended up having to protect the rim a lot..but 2 rebounds is pretty poor performance.

 

[HawkLogic]

It’s all broken down right here;
https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/thre...he-elimination-of-the-4-guard-offense.304327/

if you start 4 guard defense versus the #2 Off Rebounding team, the percentages say your going to lose that metric, maybe losing it big, and that has the potential to reduce your chances of winning, maybe greatly reduce your chances.

Conversely, Iowa went bigger more in 2H and not surprisingly outscored Purdue by +8 in 2H.

Can you shut up about Iowa not playing Big enough to your liking? Kriener had 23 minutes and Pemsl 4 min. Pemsl would have played more but he got hurt. Garza played 38 minutes. Iowa had 2 bigs out there most of the time but the 2nd big (Kriener or Pemsl) combined for 2 rebounds in 27minutes. Kriener had 2 rebounds and Pemsl 0.

 

[chuck285]

Connor was 2 out of 8 from three point
land. While Garza and Fredrick were
both 2 out 5 on 3 pointers. Wieskamp
was 0-2 from downtown.

Bottom Line: Connor shot too much
tonight and did not help the offense at
all.

Why are you pointing fingers at Connor when you should be killing JW.
He looks timid on offense and defense. If we had other options he should have been on the bench more. And where did Pemsl go?
This team is hard to understand..All guards sucked tonight...

 

[HawkAssassin]

Their system is crash the offensive boards, and that's not a system.

Iowa was in position to get the rebounds and then let the Purdue players either push them off the spot or go around them.

Iowa got out toughed.

Toughness played a part for sure.

They have good spacing even though they’re shooting isn’t very good. Created numerous passing lanes for layups early. Lots of open shooters off screening action. I think Iowa had too many mental lapses off the ball.

Purdue knows they’re going to get a lot of long rebounds and play accordingly.

 

[destewart]

Purdue is a shit offensive team.

104-68

 

[KcTo]

1st half Iowa starts 4G, Purdue shoots 49%, up by 17.

2nd half Iowa starts 2B, Purdue shoots 25%, Iowa up 8.

Does this math make sense?

 

[IllQChawk]

Lots of posters including me, feel like next years team will surpass what this years team has accomplished with everyone of our starters returning, plus the injured players and freshmen recruits. BUT, unless Fran and his coaching staff make a concerted effort to teach Iowa's players how to box out and rebound it won't matter who returns next year. The results may be a tad bit better, but the end result will be the same as his last 10 years.
Defense and rebounding is the essential backbone of college basketball and Fran and his coaching staff haven't figured this out.
Spend most of the off season concentrating on that aspect of the game and let the offense take care of it's self.
It's been 41 years since Iowa even sniffed a Big Ten title and if it doesn't happen next year, it could be another 41 years, in either case if it doesn't happen next year lots of older Hawk fans including myself may never see it again.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Purdue is a shit offensive team.

Even with the shooting struggles they are still 51st in offensive efficiency. Not quite Iowa territory.

When Garza was patient with the double team Purdue couldn’t stop him. Thought Luca’s teammates too often left him out to hang on the double teams. This led him to get impatient and actually dribble away from the basket. If you can get Garza dribbling away from the basket you’re winning that match up every time.

 

[Mohawkeye]

Connor was 2 out of 8 from three point
land. While Garza and Fredrick were
both 2 out 5 on 3 pointers. Wieskamp
was 0-2 from downtown.

Bottom Line: Connor shot too much
tonight and did not help the offense at
all.

Totally disagree. Conner needs to shoot open 3s and he is making a decent percentage. My only gripe is that he sometimes hesitates before taking them, which is the kiss of death for a shooter.

Agree about rebounding. Someone not named Garza needs to crash the boards.

 

[owenhawk]

Why are you pointing fingers at Connor when you should be killing JW.
He looks timid on offense and defense. If we had other options he should have been on the bench more. And where did Pemsl go?
This team is hard to understand..All guards sucked tonight...

Agreed. Connor didn’t shoot well but he was forced too and a big reason is because Iowa’s second best offensive player needs to toughen up and has been going into a shell. I really like Joe and I know he’s struggling but from an offensive perspective, he’s hurting the team most right now. He’s playing scared and I keep seeing him make comments about officials letting players get away with being physical with him and you can see it in his body language on the court. He needs to toughen up. Yes, this team can’t give up so many offensive boards and other things but this team isn’t talented or deep enough right now to do anything in the tournament against good teams if Wieskamp is going to disappear.

 

[Rifler]

Everybody was playing in space last night when it was apparent practically from the start that it was going to be a body up night,... We needed to be way more aggressive, particularly on rebounds...

 

[FranklinHawk]

Totally disagree. Conner needs to shoot open 3s and he is making a decent percentage. My only gripe is that he sometimes hesitates before taking them, which is the kiss of death for a shooter.

Agree about rebounding. Someone not named Garza needs to crash the boards.

Exactly, when Connor took shots right away when open he shot well. Every time he hesitated and thought about it for 2-3 seconds he was way off. Purdue was daring him to shoot.

 

[kcgolfer]

Connor was 2 out of 8 from three point
land. While Garza and Fredrick were
both 2 out 5 on 3 pointers. Wieskamp
was 0-2 from downtown.

Bottom Line: Connor shot too much
tonight and did not help the offense at
all.

The only ones Conner made were shot in rhythm. The misses were off a ball fake. Can’t shoot that way.

 

[blhawk]

Iowa for some reason doesn’t crash the boards much with more than 1 or 2 players. A lot of times they’re standing around watching their shot (hmmmm JW hmmmmm). Need to tighten that up. May give up some easy transition, but need better rebounding.

Yeah, I'll put up with the cold shooting and I'm still high on JW but thats a part of his game that drive me nuts. He's not alone though. Fran needs to hire a D and boarding guru like beilein did, it's not his strength obviously

 

[Titanhawk2]

Purdue:
42 missed shots
21 offensive rebounds (50%)

Iowa:
35 missed shots
10 offensive rebounds (29%)

Second Chance Points
20: Purdue
09: IOWA


Complete Stats: https://hawkeyesports.com/sidearmstats/mbball/team-stats;period=F

They also had 25 points off of our 15 turnovers, that's scoring almost every time we turned it over.

 

[Franisdaman]

Yeah, I'll put up with the cold shooting and I'm still high on JW but thats a part of his game that drive me nuts. He's not alone though. Fran needs to hire a D and boarding guru like beilein did, it's not his strength obviously

It's crazy that we are in year 10 and Fran will always be known for great offense and horrific rebounding and overall defense

someone should tell Fran that you can't score if you don't rebound the basketball on the defensive end

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

In one of Iowa's early-season games, BTN's Stephen Bardo, a former Big Ten star, said, "Sure, there's some technique in rebounding, but it's mostly just effort." He wasn't wrong.

Blocking out is one of the first basketball fundamentals kids are taught. Even if Fran and his staff don't know how to teach it . . . and it doesn't get any simpler than blocking out . . . the Iowa kids should have learned it long ago. They see other teams. They see their opponents. Block out and go for the rebound like your life depended on it. Problem solved.

Yes, it IS that easy. Effort and blocking out. Effort and blocking out. Blocking out and effort.

Get the damn ball!

There are no excuses. Rebounding is one of the easiest jobs in all of sports. But you have to WANT the ball . . . and you have to BLOCK OUT.

Whether Iowa wins or not @ Illinois on Sunday, let's see how bad the Hawkeyes want to rebound and how well they block out. Sure, there's some technique, but it's mostly effort. Ask Stephen Bardo. Oh, and ask Purdue . . .

 

[hawkguy77]

Yeah, I'll put up with the cold shooting and I'm still high on JW but thats a part of his game that drive me nuts. He's not alone though. Fran needs to hire a D and boarding guru like beilein did, it's not his strength obviously

Maybe Reggie Evans is available.

 

[Franisdaman]

 

[owenhawk]

In one of Iowa's early-season games, BTN's Stephen Bardo, a former Big Ten star, said, "Sure, there's some technique in rebounding, but it's mostly just effort." He wasn't wrong.

Blocking out is one of the first basketball fundamentals kids are taught. Even if Fran and his staff don't know how to teach it . . . and it doesn't get any simpler than blocking out . . . the Iowa kids should have learned it long ago. They see other teams. They see their opponents. Block out and go for the rebound like your life depended on it. Problem solved.

Yes, it IS that easy. Effort and blocking out. Effort and blocking out. Blocking out and effort.

Get the damn ball!

There are no excuses. Rebounding is one of the easiest jobs in all of sports. But you have to WANT the ball . . . and you have to BLOCK OUT.

Whether Iowa wins or not @ Illinois on Sunday, let's see how bad the Hawkeyes want to rebound and how well they block out. Sure, there's some technique, but it's mostly effort. Ask Stephen Bardo. Oh, and ask Purdue . . .

Totally agree with this. Yes, some coaches emphasis rebounding and blocking out and technique but the reality is that more then any piece of basketball, rebounding is as much about effort and WANTING the ball then any other part of the game.

As a player, you have to want to rebound and you have to have that mindset. That’s doesn’t mean you are going to get every rebound or that you aren’t going to sometimes get blocked out by a bigger or more physical player. But the reason Dennis Rodman and Reggie Evans were such tenacious rebounders is not because of technique or being more physically hired then everyone, it’s because they were relentless (much like Purdue in the offensive boards - they wanted it more then Iowa).

There’s a reason that Daryl Moore could average 5 Rebounds a game as a 6-2 Walk-on - he was relentless and tenacious. Most of the guys playing Division 1 basketball are pretty good athletes. Iowa guys can solve half the problem by giving better effort and having stronger desire to own the boards.

 

[owenhawk]

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I saw that. That’s a disappointing quote by Wieskamp.

 

[katman15]

Purdue:
42 missed shots
21 offensive rebounds (50%)

Iowa:
35 missed shots
10 offensive rebounds (29%)

Second Chance Points
20: Purdue
09: IOWA


Complete Stats: https://hawkeyesports.com/sidearmstats/mbball/team-stats;period=F

Says it all, rebounding is positioning and heart!

 

[KcTo]

What about the importance of scoring prevention?
How important is that to winning?
Why do we only seem to focus on the offensive side of the box score?

if I shoot 40%, but hold you to 30%, and am neutral on rebounding and TO, well usually win.

20 second chance points, killed this team, just like last game at Purdue,
Is there anything that Fran can do...?

 

[Rifler]

Our lack of rebounding last night was the direct result of getting pushed instead doing the pushing,.. Sometimes you have to play like you're looking to foul..

 

[KcTo]

Says it all, rebounding is positioning and heart!

I’ll take the much taller and stronger guy with equivalent positioning and heart over;
Shorter an weaker guy with same amounts of positioning and heart.

 

[MepoDawg#]

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But they weren’t. Have they not learned anything from playing Purdue? It’s the same thing every time when it comes to rebounding. Same as MSU, Wisconsin, Rutgers, and PSU.