Recruiting By the Numbers 2013-2015

[woodsiding]

With the huge high school tournaments out there, if you find a kid who is winning those, you know what you're getting. Those are your top ten kids. Speaking of the wrestling around Cedar Rapids I think we're seeing a pretty good upswing. The high schools mostly have really good kids and youth programs, and wrestlers who wants more can train With Ubassa, Borschel at the wrestling lab, Eastern Iowa Club (Terry Brands, Slayton, and McDonough), DC Elite. I think we're going to see Iowa wrestlers a lot more often on naitonal stages soon.

 

[lookleft goright]

Someone needs to show this thread to the hawk alum griping about how Brands can't develop and how Carl is doing so much better with his guys.
You guys laid out the disparity of recruits and the affects of that perfectly here.
Greatest recruiter in the game is Carl Sanderson
Some of the greatest developers are
Tom and Terry brands
John smith
Tim Flynn
J Robinson
Bruce Smith

Has anyone stooped to consider the reason Sanderson is the greatest recruiter in the game? Maybe it is because the kids believe he can develop them. Gable got a lot of kids because if you wanted to be a NCAA champ, he was the guy who could make it happen. To say Sanderson is not good at developing kids is an understatement in my opinion. The kids must feel he can develop them and that is half the battle. I also feel he has made inroads into the mental aspect of the sport. We all know that is 90% of any sport.

The Brands are amazing at what they do. They make their wrestlers into warriors. I do not think they have quite mastered the mental aspect of dealing with a generation of millennials and snowflakes. There in lies the difficulty with recruiting the big name. The Brands are from our generation. You work hard and you push through pain and you don't take time to tell someone how it makes you feel. You have a job to do and you do it the best you can and you are proud to have that job. It appears they have recently found away to get the big recruits, so maybe this is changing.

Rob Koll is amazing at what he does. Koll does it without a HWC or an NLWC like the Hawks and Lions have. However, he gets a special and unique type of kid. He gets a kid who wants to wrestle and get an Ivy League education. It is impressive that he has had the success he has had. He has found a recruiting niche that he can develop.

 

[Sandor45]

Has anyone stooped to consider the reason Sanderson is the greatest recruiter in the game? Maybe it is because the kids believe he can develop them. Gable got a lot of kids because if you wanted to be a NCAA champ, he was the guy who could make it happen. To say Sanderson is not good at developing kids is an understatement in my opinion. The kids must feel he can develop them and that is half the battle. I also feel he has made inroads into the mental aspect of the sport. We all know that is 90% of any sport.

The Brands are amazing at what they do. They make their wrestlers into warriors. I do not think they have quite mastered the mental aspect of dealing with a generation of millennials and snowflakes. There in lies the difficulty with recruiting the big name. The Brands are from our generation. You work hard and you push through pain and you don't take time to tell someone how it makes you feel. You have a job to do and you do it the best you can and you are proud to have that job. It appears they have recently found away to get the big recruits, so maybe this is changing.

Rob Koll is amazing at what he does. Koll does it without a HWC or an NLWC like the Hawks and Lions have. However, he gets a special and unique type of kid. He gets a kid who wants to wrestle and get an Ivy League education. It is impressive that he has had the success he has had. He has found a recruiting niche that he can develop.

So, what you're saying is that Tom and Terry need to start playing Clash of Clans?

 

[CholleyVandine]

A comparison of Iowa with PSU. The first # is the decile (top 10 = 1, 11-20 = 2, and so on). The second number is where the kid ranked in their HS weight class.

Iowa

Gilman 2 4
Clark 3 3
Turk 7 10
(Carton >10 21)
Sorenson 3 5
Kemerer 1 2
Gunther >10 23
Meyer 5 4
Brooks 2 2
Wilcke 9 11
Stoll 2 3
(Holloway 8 5)

PSU

Suriano 1 1
Cortez 2 1
Gulibon 1 1
Retherf 1 1
Nolf 1 1
Joseph 1 1
Hall 1 1
Nickal 1 1
McCutch 4 4
Nevills 1 1

One can see PSU is STACKED with the best of best coming out of HS. Iowa and everyone else is nowhere close on these metrics. Hopefully, with the trend in Iowa's recruiting, 2 years from now, there will be better balance.

So maybe the way to compete with PSU would be to upgrade the Iowa roster to something like this:

125 Nick Piccinnini, 1,1
133 John Meeks, 1,1
141 Alex Cisneros, 1,1
149 Ben Whitford, 1,1
157 Bryce Brill, 1,1 (given his health issues, you'd be better off with Oliver Pierce, 2,1)
165 Garrett Peppleman, 2,1
174 Cody Wiercioch, 2,1
184 Eric Morris, 2,1
197 Lance Bennick, 1,1
285 Doug Vollaro, 1,1

Now that team would be STACKED, right?

 

[1stplacehawk]

So maybe the way to compete with PSU would be to upgrade the Iowa roster to something like this:

125 Nick Piccinnini, 1,1
133 John Meeks, 1,1
141 Alex Cisneros, 1,1
149 Ben Whitford, 1,1
157 Bryce Brill, 1,1 (given his health issues, you'd be better off with Oliver Pierce, 2,1)
165 Garrett Peppleman, 2,1
174 Cody Wiercioch, 2,1
184 Eric Morris, 2,1
197 Lance Bennick, 1,1
285 Doug Vollaro, 1,1

Now that team would be STACKED, right?

Ben Whitford was awesome in high school

 

[grappler6]

Cornell has Finger Lakes. That is where their guys gray shirt and where senior level guys train.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

So maybe the way to compete with PSU would be to upgrade the Iowa roster to something like this:

125 Nick Piccinnini, 1,1
133 John Meeks, 1,1
141 Alex Cisneros, 1,1
149 Ben Whitford, 1,1
157 Bryce Brill, 1,1 (given his health issues, you'd be better off with Oliver Pierce, 2,1)
165 Garrett Peppleman, 2,1
174 Cody Wiercioch, 2,1
184 Eric Morris, 2,1
197 Lance Bennick, 1,1
285 Doug Vollaro, 1,1

Now that team would be STACKED, right?

Wow..some serious numbers there.

You did some good research.

That is thought provoking.

 

[pablow]

Wow..some serious numbers there.

You did some good research.

That is thought provoking.

I'm blow away too. We need to immediately stop recruiting good wrestlers.

 

[lookleft goright]

So, what you're saying is that Tom and Terry need to start playing Clash of Clans?

No I am not saying that. I am saying Sanderson has a totally different personality than TnT and it seems to translate to getting kids to respond favorably to him and want to wrestle for him. Saying he does not develop talent is a bit dismissive and wishful thinking in my mind. In no way am I saying TnT are bad coaches. They are fantastic!! And great for the sport. We are talking about the difference between the success of 2 programs at this point in time.

 

[wasdt21]

or they could be cheating

 

[rossel 33]

So maybe the way to compete with PSU would be to upgrade the Iowa roster to something like this:

125 Nick Piccinnini, 1,1
133 John Meeks, 1,1
141 Alex Cisneros, 1,1
149 Ben Whitford, 1,1
157 Bryce Brill, 1,1 (given his health issues, you'd be better off with Oliver Pierce, 2,1)
165 Garrett Peppleman, 2,1
174 Cody Wiercioch, 2,1
184 Eric Morris, 2,1
197 Lance Bennick, 1,1
285 Doug Vollaro, 1,1

Now that team would be STACKED, right?

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So it looks like you went back and scoured multiple years and look for guys that were ranked in top 10 or 20, and cherry picked them to form a team that didn't perform that well, and ignored the highly ranked guys that did do well. Several of these guys had injuries, and Whitford transferred to a JC? No one says HS success guarantees collegiate success, and a lot of extracurricular things can happen, adding more obstacles. Btw, a little early to judge Piccinnini isn't it, he's just a fr?

But it's a neat trick. Maybe we can do that with HS winners of the JR Hodge Trophy, to show that they fail in college.

Since year 2000, there's David Craig, Marsteller, Jordan Rogers and Cody Gardiner. None won a national championship or became an AA.

Now, as long as we ignore all the other winners (all NC's, multiple AA winners or active currently and highly ranked) - J Jantzen, Mocco, T Ware, M Perry, Jaggers, Nickerson, J Welch, C Perry, L Steiber, Storley, Bo Jordan, Z Valencia, M Hall, we can conclude winning a Jr Hodge will not correlate with any level of success in collegiate wrestling.

Did I do that correctly?

 

[Azchief32]

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So it looks like you went back and scoured multiple years and look for guys that were ranked in top 10 or 20, and cherry picked them to form a team that didn't perform that well, and ignored the highly ranked guys that did do well. Several of these guys had injuries, and Whitford transferred to a JC? No one says HS success guarantees collegiate success, and a lot of extracurricular things can happen, adding more obstacles. Btw, a little early to judge Piccinnini isn't it, he's just a fr?

But it's a neat trick. Maybe we can do that with HS winners of the JR Hodge Trophy, to show that they fail in college.

Since year 2000, there's David Craig, Marsteller, Jordan Rogers and Cody Gardiner. None won a national championship or became an AA.

Now, as long as we ignore all the other winners (all NC's, multiple AA winners or active currently and highly ranked) - J Jantzen, Mocco, T Ware, M Perry, Jaggers, Nickerson, J Welch, C Perry, L Steiber, Storley, Bo Jordan, Z Valencia, M Hall, we can conclude winning a Jr Hodge will not correlate with any level of success in collegiate wrestling.

Did I do that correctly?

Oh sheeit...