Because he didn't post a pic of red tide. That's the algae that blooms from Lake Okeechobee discharges. You can absolutely blame Big Sugar for that.
Red tide is a completely different animal.
Red tide and algae blooms dog Rick Scott in Florida.
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Because he didn't post a pic of red tide. That's the algae that blooms from Lake Okeechobee discharges. You can absolutely blame Big Sugar for that.
Red tide is a completely different animal.
Then why is your man blaming it on Nelson? Live by your own advice.
Yes. We know that. It's been addressed.
However, the extent/expanse of red tides has ballooned, due to human influences, and poor environmental protections.
If that's not a big deal to your state's tourism/fishing industries, then continue to vote for politicians who will further erode environmental protections. If industries which push those 'externalized costs' onto your tourism and fishing industries is not acceptable to you, then vote differently. You live there, so you decide what's important for your state.
"Big Sugar"? Or a lack of environmental protections which allow Big Sugar to pass externalized costs onto the rest of your state?
Big Sugar is doing what capitalism does: maximize profits and not worry about risks that don't affect them.
Joe, you're so full of crap. The reason it's so bad this year is because weather patterns are keeping it smashed up against the shore instead of being dispersed by wind and waves. It has nothing to do with "bigger" blooms.
Light 'em up!
They're starting to show up in housing developments on the edge of the Glades now. West of the Florida Turnpike where no homes existed back in the 60's, but when all you goddamn Yankees kept moving here somehow builders got the okay to build vast communities where they shouldn't - homes that use tons of fertilizers for those year round green lawns.
I wish to hell no one else would move here, ever, and that about ten million of the Northerners would GTFOOH.
No; shore pollution and nutrients make it worse. That's pretty well established.
No one here has claimed it isn't a "natural phenomenon". Your own governor is blaming "lack of federal regulation".
Again, if the externalized costs being pushed to your fishing and tourism industries are too high, then vote differently, so the industries who create the pollution which exacerbates the problem can be regulated or controlled, or held accountable for their contribution to the problem.
goddamn Yankees, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, etc, etc, etc.
I'm sure the native Indians from FL felt the same way. Now you feel their pain...
Now you’re changing your tune. Now you want to claim red tide is man made and the government should be taking steps to fix this.
What was that about growing up?
Manafort's crimes existed before trump also. the narrative is we can retroactively reach back in time to blame people of today for past issues.
Now you’re changing your tune. Now you want to claim red tide is man made and the government should be taking steps to fix this.
What was that about growing up?
it was goddamn Yankees!!!
U should correct your governor on this, then. Because he's blaming lack of environmental regs.
Consider voting him out, if you think he's wrong....
Don’t play coy, are you going to vote for him for Senate?
I'm not programmed and I'll vote for him. Nelson is ancient and his time is past.
Give up joe - last time this came up I posted peer reviewed papers showing that human activity was making red tides worse and Trads response was that the study was in the pacific so it was invalid.
Rick Scott booed out of restaurant over Red Tide crisis
https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs...t-of-restaurant-over-floridas-red-tide-crisis
https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs...t-of-restaurant-over-floridas-red-tide-crisis
So only the last thirty years counts? And things change all the time. Do you REALLY expect things to stay the same?
Ah. I love how you always end in a personal insult. BUT....I never mentioned man-made oil leaks. I simply mentioned naturally occurring oil leaks all over the world.
You're the one claiming it. You provide the evidence. I accept that things change for the better and the worse. This red tide will move on and it will happen again like it's been doing for over a documented history of 150+ years.
No - YOU'RE the one claiming it is "natural" and not human caused.
So, post information on red tide extent for the past several decades. Show us it hasn't changed. We know it naturally forms offshore; what's different today is how much is coming to coastal areas and estuaries, and the extent.
Locals who have lived there for decades are telling us this is far far worse than it ever was in the past. And we know the mechanisms at work are human caused. The algae that are affecting coastlines are different than the algae which initiate the red tides, because they are feeding off human pollution. That's simply fact.
Several quotes came from - wait for it - retirees who moved to "Flawrida" from the Northeast, fertilizing their lawns and wasting natural resources, living in houses built on swampland.
Go home!
This is just another example of cons blaming the “other” for whatever problem they face. So predictable one might call it programmed.
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It's a natural event that is being extremely perturbed by human impacts..........take some time to educate yourself concerning this topic.
Long-term increase in Karenia brevis abundance along the Southwest Florida Coast
Data collected along the southwest coast of Florida between Tampa Bay and Sanibel Island on the abundance of the toxic dinoflagellate Karenia brevis from 1954 to 2002 were examined for spatial and temporal patterns. K. brevis was found to be approximately 20-fold more abundant within 5 km of the shoreline than 20-30 km offshore. Overall, K. brevis was approximately 13-18-fold more abundant in 1994-2002 than in 1954-1963. In 1954-1963, K. brevis occurred primarily in the fall months. In 1994-2002, it was more abundant not only in the fall, but also in the winter and spring months. It is hypothesized that greater nutrient availability in the ecosystem is the most likely cause of this increase in K. brevis biomass, and the large increase in the human population and its activities in South Florida over the past half century is a major factor.
A 13 to 18 fold increase in the duration and severity of red tides in just 50 years is extremely disconcerting.........some light reading for those not thoroughly versed in environmental science:
National Geographic: Red Tide Is Devastating Florida's Sea Life. Are Humans to Blame?
I took an 'Ecosystem of the Everglades' class during grad school at FSU and we spent a couple of weeks on the Sugar Industry surrounding Lake Okeechobee impacts on the environment....Yes, Big Sugar (along with Golf Courses, people that fertilize their grass, etc.) is a large part of the reason for the rising severity of the Red Tides since the mid-20th century. From one of the preeminent Free Market Economic School's of Thought, Mises:
How US Sugar Subsidies Bring a Red Tide of Algae to Florida's Shores
The algae are a natural phenomenon that has been known of for almost two centuries. However, the harmful “blooms” have occurred much more often and in more places in recent decades. More recently, it has been plaguing southwest Florida beaches since November 2017 and is now particularly bad over a larger area.
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The Red Tide starts as natural growth of the “bad algae” dozens of miles off shore near the continental shelf. That algae can then drift toward shore and enter brackish water inlets. The blooms are not stimulated in open circulating waters. However, they are stimulated to grow and get bigger in the presence of manmade nutrients, such as fertilizers that have run into water sources from agricultural production all over the Gulf of Mexico.
In contrast, if the water in the Gulf is circulating well, then it brings more natural nutrients to the coastline. These nutrients feed other types of green “good algae” which keeps the Red Tide in check. In other words, mother nature can keep the problem in check.
However, when water circulation is down and fertilizer runoff is in play, you have a problem. A multi-billion-dollar problem.
Though other factors play a role in the algae bloom crises, one of the most significant involves the sugar industry. A combination of federal sugar subsidies, federal regulations on pollution, and federal control of Lake Okeechobee (a giant lake in southern Florida) runoff guidelines has created a recipe for disaster.
How exactly does this happen? Well, runoff (e.g. nitrogen, phosphorous) from Big Sugar, etc. promotes the growth of a number of cyanobacteria and it's one in particular (Synechococcus), evidence has shown, that is the major problem because it's a main food source for the Red Tide.
Grazing by Karenia brevis on Synechococcus enhances its growth rate and may help to sustain blooms
Grazing rates of Karenia brevis Clones CCMP2228 and CCMP2229 were determined in laboratory experiments using Synechococcus sp. Clone CCMP1768 as food. Grazing by K. brevis thus enhances the range of nutritional substrates available to meet its growth requirements, and may play a substantial role in sustaining natural populations in inorganic N-poor waters. With evidence that blooms of Synechococcus can be enhanced due to anthropogenic organic nutrients, the potential importance of this particulate nutrient source for sustaining red tide blooms in situ is large and may help to resolve the current uncertainty as to how K. brevis blooms are maintained. It can now be hypothesized that as cyanobacterial blooms increase, so too does the potential for Karenia brevis growth to be enhanced and for blooms to be sustained through grazing, especially under the low light conditions associated with bloom self-shading. Recognition of this pathway is at least one step toward reconciling the long-term reported increase in K. brevis blooms (e.g. Brand & Compton 2007) and the tendency for blooms of this species to develop offshore in seemingly oligotrophic waters (e.g. Vargo et al. 2004, 2008)
And Lake Okeechobee is currently dealing with a huge cyanobacteria bloom (NOAA: 40 percent of Lake O covered in harmful algae bloom) and when it makes it to the gulf/ocean then it gives the red tide a very accessible food source.
Since the beginning of June, the Army Corps of Engineers has been releasing over a billion gallons of green slime contaminated lake water daily into the Caloosahatchee river which makes it directly into the Gulf, feeding the Red Tide blooms.
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Dude....you're dealing with MAGAs. You're going to have to use less complicated examples.
"Billy earned $1 an hour at his lemonade stand last week. This week, Billy's stand had a 13-fold increase over last week. Thus, Billy made $13 this week."
Q: Was Billy's increase in lemonade sales significantly different from this week to last week?
Q2: What if Billy had an 18-fold increase this week in sales? How much would he have made then? And, is that more or less than the $1 he made last week?
Red Tide Rick boo'ed again.
https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs...protesters-at-senate-campaign-stop-in-orlando
https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs...protesters-at-senate-campaign-stop-in-orlando
