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Revenue Sharing (up to $22M/School/Year) & improved Medical Care: Kevin Warren met w/ Football Players in July 2022 to discuss these Issues

I did a quick google search on Title IX. Any lawyers out there please chime in.

What I found: Title IX does not require equal expenditure of funds on male and female athletes. The only dollar for dollar expenditure requirement is in the athletic financial assistance area, where schools are required to spend dollars proportional to participation rates.

So, it appears that football players & men's basketball players could be paid above and beyond "financial assistance" via revenue sharing, medical insurance coverage after the player leaves the program, and other benefits they obtain in negotiations.
"No figures were available on what percentage of that Big Ten pot the CFBPA would demand. One source speculated that the Big Ten could avoid Title IX laws by distributing the money through the conference office instead of the schools. In that sense the conference office wouldn't be an educational entity receiving federal funds necessarily subject to Title IX."

 
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"...fired at any time." ~ I would think that the players' union would insist you show "just cause" when the case goes to court, otherwise, you'd owe the player some $$$.
Lol, dies the NFL or NBA need to show just cause for getting rid of a player. "Contracts " will be one yr and if you don't produce see ya later.
Pretty simple. You want to profit like the big boys then you play by big boy rules.
Net results will be tons of college kids paying their own way and even more separation for those with the $ to buy players.
You know just like pro sports.
 
Lol, dies the NFL or NBA need to show just cause for getting rid of a player. "Contracts " will be one yr and if you don't produce see ya later.
Pretty simple. You want to profit like the big boys then you play by big boy rules.
Net results will be tons of college kids paying their own way and even more separation for those with the $ to buy players.
You know just like pro sports.
LOL, when the NFL/NBA breaks the contract, they still pay the terms of the contract unless there's an "out." Many players have 1, 2, 3, or 4 year contracts, and you know that.
"...tons of kids..." ~ Stop.
I do know, just like the pro sports
 
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Players may find they're getting a piece of a smaller pie than they expected. Many college football fans are fans because it's not the NFL. I'm one and I'm not alone. They may be killing their golden goose.

I'm on the verge of bowing out and spending my time and money elsewhere. There's opportunity cost to having season tickets...I could take a European vacation for what I spend annually. The travel is starting to look more and more like a better option.
 
Players may find they're getting a piece of a smaller pie than they expected. Many college football fans are fans because it's not the NFL. I'm one and I'm not alone. They may be killing their golden goose.

I'm on the verge of bowing out and spending my time and money elsewhere. There's opportunity cost to having season tickets...I could take a European vacation for what I spend annually. The travel is starting to look more and more like a better option.
They're big on football over there!

You'll love it in Europe...check out Javentus if you're in Turin, and Real is a must if you're in Madrid.
 
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This is the ultimate game changer. Truly separates the haves and the have nots (B10/SEC vs everyone else). Really a matter of when not if.

Agreed. People were wondering how teams like Iowa will spend all the extra TV money. Well, the football players (and men's basketball players) have some ideas ;)

Talk about a benefits package: free medical care (for how long after they graduate?), revenue sharing, free tuition, free unlimited food, free housing, free personal training, free top notch coaching (NFL opportunities galore), up to $6,000 for good grades, NIL opportunities.... did I miss anything?

And you are right; this is going to be a huge recruiting advantage. Will Iowa beat out the top teams in the B1G and SEC for recruits? Nope. But Iowa will have a much better chance at top recruits when competing against lower tier B1G & SEC schools & schools not in the B1G and SEC.
 
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More evidence that revenue sharing is coming.




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Just back off the scholarship money, let them use it on shoes & pizza. It will all even out that way & save some of the amateurism.
 
The conference can say what it thinks but these are state schools who are entities of the state and the conference needs state permission to do any of this.
 
Story from yesterday:

College athletes advocating for revenue sharing, new model​


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    Dan Murphy
  • ESPN Staff Writer
  • Nov 16, 2022

A pair of veteran college basketball players plan to use Wednesday night's game between Pittsburgh and No. 20 Michigan to start publicly campaigning for the NCAA and its schools to share revenue with athletes.

Michigan's Hunter Dickinson and Pitt's Jamarius Burton are among a group of athletes who will be writing the letter S on their hands during games this season to draw attention to their attempt to advocate for a new business model in college sports. The S, according to the players, stands for share.

They are hoping to amplify calls for the NCAA to change its rules in a way that allows the association and its school to distribute more of its resources to athletes.

Their efforts are the latest addition to widespread efforts among athletes, advocates and politicians to expand the benefits college athletes receive -- a list that includes expanded education-related benefits and the relatively new ability to make money by selling the rights to their name, image or likeness.

"NIL opened the floodgates for stuff like this," Dickinson said. "It's easier to see now how the idea of amateurism in sports is misleading. ... Seeing the money athletes are getting goes to show how much is in college sports and how much some are hoarding it."

Dickinson said he and Burton are part of a group of players who connected via conference calls in the past several weeks to discuss the campaign. He said he plans to draw an S on his hand for Wednesday night's game and then determine other steps that he and others might take during what might be his final season in the NCAA.

Their campaign is being organized in part by the National College Players Association, an advocacy group that has tried to change college sports through legislation, legal action and public pressure during the past several tumultuous years for the NCAA.

Along with asking for a share of profits, the players said in a news release they want to find ways to protect the existence of non-revenue sports, enforce Title IX rules, improve safety and medical care, ensure that Congress does not create any federal laws that would walk back the newly established NIL rules, and open the door for scholarship money in the Ivy League.

The Ivy League does not offer athletic scholarships. The group of prestigious universities previously had a Congressional antitrust exemption to allow that to happen, but that expired earlier this year. Now, some players say the policy is violating the law and limiting their options. Dickinson said that issue is important to him because of friends he has playing in the Ivy League.

Brown basketball player Grace Kirk said in a news release that limiting the ways in which athletes can receive financial aid prevents some high-level athletes from exploring the possibility of getting an Ivy League education.

"We work just as hard as any other D-I team," Kirk said. "Doing it without scholarship opportunities adds another element of difficulty to our intense combination of training and studying. Unfortunately, some high-level athletes cannot make the financial sacrifice to play for Ivy League schools without scholarship money."

NCPA leader Ramogi Huma, a former UCLA football player, said that the group plans to engage lawmakers and other enforcement agencies to try to reach these goals. Huma filed a complaint with the National Labor Relations Board last year in an effort to give college athletes the ability to unionize. That case is pending. He and the NCPA also recently filed a complaint asking the Department of Justice.

Huma said they are proposing that a portion of the revenue from football and basketball programs should be split equally among all players on the team. The NCPA previously helped college basketball players organize a social media protest during the 2021 March Madness tournament among other efforts. Some of Dickinson's former teammates were leaders in that push.

"It was kind of my duty to agree this time because of the guys who stepped up earlier," he said.

Dickinson said he does not expect the changes for which he's advocating to be put in place during his time as a college athlete, but he said he wants future athletes to get a fair share of the value they help create. He said he has no plans to protest in ways other than showing public support for the campaign.

 
No "Maybe..."

All the questions you pose are answered in the respective Contracts between:
(a) the NFL Team & the NFL Player; and
(b) the NFL Teams & the NFL Players' Association.

Let's assume, shall we, that

(a) the new College Football Player's contract; and
(b) the new College Football Players' Association contract will contain the same language.
Would the players be considered state employees? If so, wouldn't that guarantee them some other benefits?
 
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I think you already know the answer to that question. As of now the ladies are free to negotiate NIL for themselves, (see C Clark). Now it they wanted to pay say just the mens football and basketball teams a %, then you'll certainly see lawsuits for titleIX formed.
It would be interesting to see with Clark and her sidekick MC returning and the continued influx in talent if they can draw consistently like the men. Down the stretch they were packing Carver, but I know thats not an every week thing. Still I'd bet our women draw better then most D1 womens teams.
I know there are some wrestling fans on here. The support for the grapplers is always solid as well. How to they compare on an average night draw to say mens Bball? Obviously they have fewer matches so that hurts overall revenue.
Iowa leads the nation in wrestling attendance. Sold out again this year. Far more enthusiastic crowd than you get at a mens bb game
 
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Would the players be considered state employees? If so, wouldn't that guarantee them some other benefits?
Don't think so...I think the players would sign with their Conference which isn't a state entity. That seems to be the image Kevin Warren has hinted at.

They'd be "committed to Iowa, Michigan, whatever," but get their $$$ from the B1G.

Think of working for Gatorade, Tropicana, or Quaker Oats, but getting your check (and benefits) from PepsiCo HQ.
 
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I could see a modest share for FB players after the next media mega deal.

Example - just based the media rights %:

Say the next deal starts at $85M payout per school and escalates by ~$3M per year over 10-15 yrs.

Let's not forget that the B1G currently includes the league office as a "equal share", so it would have the same $85M/yr and ensuing escalation as the schools.

The players share would come from the league office cut and would probably be somewhere in the 25-30% range.

85M x .25 = 21.25M ➗ 16 (schools) = 1,328,125 ➗ 85 scholarship players = $15,625 per player, per yr.

(escalating each year after that as the school payouts increase)

Of course that's the "pre-tax" amount, the player would actually see only ~65% of that.
When looking at the finances of this you have to look at total compensation. Add the 15k with 50k for scholly and other benefits. 65k a year in compensation to play college football and be worshipped on campus seems fair.
 
The players will be looking for:

* A to-be-determined percentage of media rights revenue.

* Medical care for players after their college careers have come to an end. Funds from the B1G would purchase medical insurance policies for former players that would cover the treatment of injuries from their college football careers.

If the B1G does not make significant progress on doing more for players, the players' next step could be to register as a 501(c)(5) labor organization and potentially begin the process of becoming a union.


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One year ago the B1G Commissioner met with players to discuss TV revenue sharing.

And now? Here's a story from Yahoo Sports.

Some excerpts:

A revenue-sharing model was presented by collective leaders to SEC and NCAA officials last week in separate meetings. The proposal is a general framework of a plan that calls for using television network money to compensate athletes.

According to the proposal, a portion of the television revenue distributed to conferences would be directed to a designated collective at each member school in equal shares. The collective would then distribute money to that school’s athletes, using its status as a third party as a way to avoid triggering athlete employment, they said.

Collective leaders plan to hold conversations with officials from other leagues as well.

In a striking comment, even collectives themselves acknowledge that the current model is not sustainable.

“This is something that can last another two to three years,” Ingram Smith, the CEO of FSU’s The Battle’s End said. “The idea that three to four people are footing the bill for 90% of a school’s NIL presence is not sustainable.”



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One year ago the B1G Commissioner met with players to discuss TV revenue sharing.

And now? Here's a story from Yahoo Sports.

Some excerpts:

A revenue-sharing model was presented by collective leaders to SEC and NCAA officials last week in separate meetings. The proposal is a general framework of a plan that calls for using television network money to compensate athletes.

According to the proposal, a portion of the television revenue distributed to conferences would be directed to a designated collective at each member school in equal shares. The collective would then distribute money to that school’s athletes, using its status as a third party as a way to avoid triggering athlete employment, they said.

Collective leaders plan to hold conversations with officials from other leagues as well.

In a striking comment, even collectives themselves acknowledge that the current model is not sustainable.

“This is something that can last another two to three years,” Ingram Smith, the CEO of FSU’s The Battle’s End said. “The idea that three to four people are footing the bill for 90% of a school’s NIL presence is not sustainable.”



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How are these student athletes exactly? Why do they need scholarships?
 
The players will be looking for:

* A to-be-determined percentage of media rights revenue.

* Medical care for players after their college careers have come to an end. Funds from the B1G would purchase medical insurance policies for former players that would cover the treatment of injuries from their college football careers.

If the B1G does not make significant progress on doing more for players, the players' next step could be to register as a 501(c)(5) labor organization and potentially begin the process of becoming a union.


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Aren't they supposed to be under their parent's insurance until 26? That is the LAW in this country now.

If the BIG is to pay for the insurance, it had better damn well come out of the athletic budget and NOT the general school fund (taxpayer funded).
 
Is this just football or all athletes including those in non revenue sports?
What right does a rower or soccer player have from media? No one watches their games/events anyway.
 
The players will be looking for:

* A to-be-determined percentage of media rights revenue.

* Medical care for players after their college careers have come to an end. Funds from the B1G would purchase medical insurance policies for former players that would cover the treatment of injuries from their college football careers.

If the B1G does not make significant progress on doing more for players, the players' next step could be to register as a 501(c)(5) labor organization and potentially begin the process of becoming a union.


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One step away from no more "athlete" in the student. Semi-pro or employee.
 
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The players will be looking for:

* A to-be-determined percentage of media rights revenue.

* Medical care for players after their college careers have come to an end. Funds from the B1G would purchase medical insurance policies for former players that would cover the treatment of injuries from their college football careers.

If the B1G does not make significant progress on doing more for players, the players' next step could be to register as a 501(c)(5) labor organization and potentially begin the process of becoming a union.


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how soon is revenue sharing coming?
 
The players will be looking for:

* A to-be-determined percentage of media rights revenue.

* Medical care for players after their college careers have come to an end. Funds from the B1G would purchase medical insurance policies for former players that would cover the treatment of injuries from their college football careers.

If the B1G does not make significant progress on doing more for players, the players' next step could be to register as a 501(c)(5) labor organization and potentially begin the process of becoming a union.


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2 years after a meeting between Kevin Warren & football players to discuss revenue sharing, things are moving along.

Check this out & then click on ESPN.com in the tweet below to take you to the story.

 
Almost 2 years ago when Kevin Warren met with football players we knew revenue sharing was coming.

Here is another good story on revenue sharing. As you will read, administrators briefed on a proposed new revenue-sharing model are expecting to share as much as $15-20 million per school, with a spending limit similar to a professional sports team’s salary cap.


What would House v. NCAA settlement mean? A Revenue-Sharing model to end college amateurism

Ross Dellenger

Ross Dellenger
Senior College Football Reporter
Tue, Apr 30, 2024, 8:26 AM CDT

The next evolution of college athlete compensation is on the horizon.

College leaders and plaintiff lawyers, in negotiations now for months, are inching closer to arriving at an agreement to settle the House antitrust lawsuit and usher into the sport a new model that features sharing revenue with athletes.

But it’s not here just yet, and plenty of hurdles lie ahead.

The negotiations have been no real secret within the college sports industry. In fact, discussions have grown serious enough that a potential revenue-sharing model has been socialized with administrators — something Yahoo Sports reported earlier this month.

On Monday, reporting from ESPN shined more of a light on the negotiations: They are heating up.

But what does a settlement of the House v. NCAA case entail exactly? What does it mean for your school? How does it impact the future of college sports? And are all of the school presidents on board?

We'll try to explain what is a very complicated — and fluid — situation.

What’s the settlement?

Any settlement of the case comes in two parts: (1) compensation owed to college athletes for universities using their name, image and likeness in broadcasts; and (2) a future compensation model featuring revenue sharing with athletes.

The first is likely to cost college sports as much as, or more than, $1 billion in back-pay (damages) owed to athletes over the four years preceding the NCAA permitting athletes to earn compensation from their NIL (2017-2020). The amount is likely to be paid over a certain stretch of time.

The second is more impactful to the future of the industry: an agreement from, specifically, power conference schools to directly share revenue with their athletes and even buy their exclusive NIL rights.

As reported by Yahoo Sports earlier this month, administrators briefed on a proposed new revenue-sharing model are expecting to share as much as $15-20 million per school, with a spending limit similar to a professional sports team’s salary cap.

The per-school figure was determined from an average of power league athletic department revenues (ticket sales, sponsorships, etc.) and is expected to be the same for all schools despite wide variance in resources. Ohio State’s athletic department, for instance, led all programs with $250 million in revenue last year — $100 million more than the program that ranked 20th in the nation (Arkansas at about $150 million).

A $20 million price tag for Ohio State is 8% of its budget. A $20 million price tag for Arkansas is 13% of its budget.

This settlement-related revenue model isn’t a new concept.

In fact, it shares similarities with a proposal that NCAA president Charlie Baker unveiled in December to permit schools to compensate athletes directly for the use of their name, image and likeness (NIL). For months now, schools have been gearing up to provide direct compensation to athletes, some of them even encouraging their lawmakers to make changes to state law. In Virginia, a law permitting state schools to directly pay college athletes for their NIL rights takes effect July 1.

Why settle?

Not everyone in college athletics believes that a settlement is the right move.

The topic, in fact, has generated plenty of spirited debate within meetings among conference presidents and athletic directors over the last year. The approval of any settlement likely needs a majority or supermajority vote from a league’s board of university presidents — a potential sticking point.

Over the last several months, a vast majority of those in college athletics have been convinced that a settlement is the only way forward, so much so that the SEC and Big Ten created a joint advisory board whose primary purpose was to explore a new model. Why is a settlement so necessary?

(1) The settlement will offer the NCAA and power leagues protection from further lawsuits for a set stretch of time, likely in the range of 8-10 years, those briefed on the matter say. This is essential as the NCAA has lost virtually every antitrust case brought against it, most notably the Supreme Court’s 2021 decision (9-0) in the Alston case over educationally related benefits to athletes.

(2) The settlement is expected to include other active cases such as the Hubbard and Carter lawsuits, both brought against the NCAA and power leagues by the same attorney, Jeffrey Kessler, who is leading the House plaintiff legal team. In short, the Hubbard case seeks back compensation stemming from the Alston Supreme Court decision, and Carter is seeking to eliminate all NCAA rules prohibiting athlete compensation. Can the settlement kill three proverbial birds with one stone? Perhaps.

(3) Any settlement avoids a much steeper price tag. If the NCAA and power leagues decide to challenge the case in court and lose, damages owed to athletes are tripled. A price of $1-2 billion could turn to $4-6 billion in a hurry.

 
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Why are some against it?

There are a few main arguments from those who are against settling.

(1) Any settlement offers only short-term protection from further lawsuits, meaning it needs codification from Congress to become a long-term or permanent solution. The NCAA and power leagues have spent five years lobbying lawmakers to pass a federal bill to manage athlete compensation. Since 2020, there have been more than 10 congressional hearings and multiple bills filed. No single piece of legislation has even advanced to a House or Senate full committee discussion. Will a settlement change congressional action? That’s the goal.

(2) The settlement may not put a complete end to the NIL-fueled arms race in college sports, where booster-led groups are donating millions to fund their teams because schools are not permitted to directly pay athletes. At some competitive programs with significant resources, NIL collectives may continue to operate much in the way they do now, providing extra cash on top of what’s allowed from schools. If a school purchases its athletes’ NIL rights, any outside NIL could be eliminated (something referred to often as “in-house NIL”). But how many athletes would agree to such? It remains an unanswered question.

Complicating matters is a separate case, brought against the NCAA by attorneys general in Virginia and Tennessee, that has successfully, for now, legalized NIL-related inducements from third parties such as collectives.

(3) The settlement alone may not prevent the current rate of player movement across the college sports landscape. The NCAA recently changed its transfer policies to permit athletes to move freely without penalty, aligning its own rules with a court injunction that did the same in December. That, again, is a separate case complicating matters.

(4) There are several active cases remaining where courts could eventually deem athletes as employees. How the settlement impacts those cases is unclear. This creates anxiety for administrators who wish to avoid employment at all costs.

What happens to the Group of Five?

The House case, and any potential settlement of it, focuses on the power conference programs — those athletic departments within the NCAA that generate the most revenue. Kessler, the lead attorney in House, said as much earlier this month during a speaking engagement in Washington, D.C., noting that those schools that cannot afford to share revenue will not necessarily be required to do so.

The settlement would be what several administrators describe as “permissive”: A school does not have to share $20 million with its athletes but the agreement opens the door to give schools the freedom to do so. In a competitive market fueled by the recruiting of high school and college transfers, schools will naturally jockey to offer athletes as much as they can.

Most Group of Five and FCS football programs do not generate a profit, and their athletic departments are often subsidized by university and student fees. There are programs at the G5 level where $20 million in revenue sharing would nearly eclipse their entire department revenue for the year.

“You really have to think about (the Power Four schools) as different,” Kessler said earlier this month. “The reason we get tied in knots is because we conflate those schools who have developed these gigantic independent commercial businesses with the schools who are still just educational institutions with extracurricular activities. When you try to come up with one rule for all, you go crazy. You have to look at the schools differently. For the ones with the money, there is plenty of money to compensate the athletes and share it with the women’s sports.”

Many G5 athletic directors hold such fear that this new revenue-sharing model will put them so far behind that they are at least toying with the idea of holding their own postseason event.

In a new world of revenue sharing, competition between those in the power leagues and those in the Group of Five won’t necessarily end. But the gap between the top and bottom of FBS, already exacerbated in the NIL era, will further grow.

How will a school determine who gets paid and how much?

This is not completely clear. But common sense tells us that athletes participating in a sport that generates the most revenue are likely to earn more of a share of that revenue than those participating in sports that don’t generate as much (or any at all).

At many power conference athletic departments, football and, to a lesser extent, men’s basketball are the only sports that produce significant revenue figures. The money that those sports generate is normally pumped back into those sports themselves and the dozens of Olympic sports that lose millions annually.

However, schools are bound by Title IX, a 52-year-old federal law that prohibits sex-based discrimination in schools. Athletic departments are required to provide the same opportunities for women athletes as they do men. The law is heralded as a significant driver in producing a robust and successful women’s athletic movement in the United States and on the world stage at the Olympics. Millions of young women have come through the college sports pipeline in sports specifically sanctioned to adhere to Title IX.

But how does Title IX apply in a revenue-sharing model?

That question remains unclear and there is ongoing litigation in Oregon that could, eventually, provide the answer.

In an interview in January, Baker said he believed that Title IX terminology is more “about equal participation” and not “so much about equal amounts.” That would open the door for a school to share more total revenue with men athletes as long as the school offers revenue to an equal number of women athletes.

In his appearance in Washington D.C., Kessler noted that he “hopes” Title IX is applied in any future athlete compensation model.

What’s next?

Over the next month, particulars of the new revenue-sharing model are expected to be further socialized across the four major conferences (much of this has already been done). Meetings will be had and arguments will unfold. Many have circled the end of May as a looming deadline to agree on a settlement.

In the end, votes from each league’s board of presidents are expected in what could be a historic move to, once and for all, send crumbling the final piece of NCAA amateurism.

Or, perhaps, not.

“Change is here. It is not going to stay the same. It’s already different,” Kessler said earlier this month. “The best thing that everybody should think about is, ‘OK, how can we make this change the most positive change for everyone involved?’

“Stop living a vision that doesn’t exist. Face the realities here, because it’s going to happen. The question is, are you going to be part of that change or not be part of that change?”

 
I’d rather the schools just pay the football and basketball players directly from these massive TV deals then asking everyone to chip in to the various collective buckets.

I’m not a lawyer but can they just pay those sports or would that violate Title IX? To me, anything beyond those two sports shouldn’t be getting more money if they aren’t generating a net profit.

unfortunately, players will get paid via NIL and via revenue sharing

see story I posted above, which addresses Title IX
 
I could see a modest share for FB players after the next media mega deal.

Example - just based the media rights %:

Say the next deal starts at $85M payout per school and escalates by ~$3M per year over 10-15 yrs.

Let's not forget that the B1G currently includes the league office as a "equal share", so it would have the same $85M/yr and ensuing escalation as the schools.

The players share would come from the league office cut and would probably be somewhere in the 25-30% range.

85M x .25 = 21.25M ➗ 16 (schools) = 1,328,125 ➗ 85 scholarship players = $15,625 per player, per yr.

(escalating each year after that as the school payouts increase)

Of course that's the "pre-tax" amount, the player would actually see only ~65% of that.

Looks like $15M - $20M of TV revenue per school will be paid to athletes
 
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