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Revenue Sharing (up to $22M/School/Year) & improved Medical Care: Kevin Warren met w/ Football Players in July 2022 to discuss these Issues

He should ask for a pay increase! Will have to look forward to contract negotiations with all players in next year or two.

Some of the players will have some high profile agents/attorneys.

if collective bargaining happens, will it be by school? or by conference? or by Power 4 conferences?

and don't you love that the players don't want to be considered employees? I guess they don't want the value of their scholarship to be taxed (especially the out of state players)....
 
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Here's a story from yesterday from ESPN.

Some excerpts:

How much money will schools be spending on future payments to athletes?​

Sources told ESPN that while terms could change, the current proposal would create a spending cap for each power-conference school based on 22% of the average media rights, ticket sales and sponsorship revenue of each power-conference school. Sources say they expect that cap number to be nearly $20 million per school. Schools would not be required to spend that much money on their athletes but would have the option to share up to that $20 million figure with them.

The cap number could change every few years to reflect changes in the overall revenue of schools. It's not clear whether some money the schools already provide to their athletes -- such as an academic reward of roughly $6,000 commonly referred to as Alston payments -- would count toward that cap. Multiple sources did tell ESPN that donations from boosters are not included in the revenue formula.

How will they divide that money among their athletes?​

There are no specific provisions in the proposed settlement that spell out how schools should distribute money to athletes, according to sources. Each individual school would be responsible for deciding which athletes to pay and sorting through the uncertainty around how that money would apply to Title IX regulations, per multiple sources.

Title IX requires colleges to provide equal opportunities for men and women to compete in varsity sports and provide equitable benefits to those athletes. The law, written long before athletes were earning money beyond their scholarships, does not clearly state how the federal government views direct payments to athletes. Does equitable treatment require a school to give the same dollar amount to men and women athletes in the new revenue-share model? Or would the payments be viewed more as a benefit that could be proportional to the money generated by each sport? Would scholarship dollars and additional revenue-share dollars be considered in the same financial category when balancing the Title IX ledgers?

"The truth is, no one knows," a source told ESPN on Friday.

While the Department of Education or Congress could provide answers proactively, neither has demonstrated any urgency to do so at this point. Specific interpretations of Title IX often come through litigation, and in this instance, a group of athletes might need to file a lawsuit about how their school is handling these direct payments to establish clarity.

Until then, the most conservative approach for schools to ensure Title IX compliance would mean evenly splitting the new revenue-share dollars between men and women athletes. Sources say some schools might try to balance the overall spending by increasing scholarship opportunities on their women's teams, but it remains unclear whether that would satisfy Title IX regulations. Others might seek a competitive advantage in football recruiting, for example, by arguing that equitable treatment for athletes in the case of revenue sharing should be based on the revenue their sports generate.

Sources also said the settlement won't require schools to share money with all athletes or share it evenly among athletes -- leaving those decisions up to individual athletic departments as well.

What happens to collectives and NIL payments?​

According to a source, the settlement does not include any provision that would put an end to the booster collectives that currently serve as the main vehicle for paying athletes. School officials hope a settlement will create a way to strengthen the NCAA's ability to enforce its rules, including its rule that requires NIL payments to be for a player's market value as opposed to the current system, which frequently serves as a workaround for "pay-for-play" arrangements. However, drawing a distinction between those two types of payments would remain a difficult, nebulous task. Any attempt to completely eliminate the NIL collective market would take a substantial change in federal law provided by Congress.

The NCAA has created new rules this spring that allow schools to be more directly involved in finding NIL deals for their athletes. New state laws are also opening doors for the schools to use their own money to pay for an athlete's NIL rights as opposed to those funds coming from a third party. The extent to which each school continues to be involved in finding NIL opportunities for its athletes in a future with revenue sharing could vary significantly.

"The feeling in the industry is that collectives are going to be forced to stay outside the universities, and it will become more of a discrepancy of the haves and have-nots," said an industry source. "If you bring collectives in, any money raised would count toward the cap. But schools can hit the cap and still have collectives as third parties. That's the fear, and why there needs to be regulation."

What does this mean for major college basketball and leagues outside power conferences?​

It's still relatively uncertain how this would impact major college basketball schools outside of the power conferences.

Schools in the Big East, which is the most prominent basketball-forward league in the country, haven't been given any formal guidance on how a settlement would trickle down to their level.

The prevailing sentiment is that leagues outside the power conferences named in the lawsuit, including basketball-forward leagues, will have the opportunity to opt into the same 22% revenue-share formula, which would be applied to their specific revenue.

The most expensive men's college basketball rosters heading into next season are commanding $5 million to $7 million in NIL payments, per sources. It's too early to determine whether leagues outside the power football conferences will be able to pay that much through revenue sharing.

The uncertainty about how the power conferences will settle the antitrust claims is leaving many administrators outside those leagues in what they describe as a difficult situation.

"All of the Group of 5 is in a wait-and-see mode, which is a precarious situation," one source told ESPN. "It is extremely tough to lead athletic departments, universities and conferences and plan for the future -- whether that be facilities, NIL, etc. -- when you have no seat at the table to make the rules that will impact you."


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sorting through the uncertainty around how that money would apply to Title IX regulations, per multiple sources.

Title IX requires colleges to provide equal opportunities for men and women to compete in varsity sports and provide equitable benefits to those athletes. The law, written long before athletes were earning money beyond their scholarships, does not clearly state how the federal government views direct payments to athletes. Does equitable treatment require a school to give the same dollar amount to men and women athletes in the new revenue-share model? Or would the payments be viewed more as a benefit that could be proportional to the money generated by each sport? Would scholarship dollars and additional revenue-share dollars be considered in the same financial category when balancing the Title IX ledgers?

"The truth is, no one knows," a source told ESPN on Friday.

While the Department of Education or Congress could provide answers proactively, neither has demonstrated any urgency to do so at this point. Specific interpretations of Title IX often come through litigation, and in this instance, a group of athletes might need to file a lawsuit about how their school is handling these direct payments to establish clarity.

Until then, the most conservative approach for schools to ensure Title IX compliance would mean evenly splitting the new revenue-share dollars between men and women athletes. Sources say some schools might try to balance the overall spending by increasing scholarship opportunities on their women's teams, but it remains unclear whether that would satisfy Title IX regulations. Others might seek a competitive advantage in football recruiting, for example, by arguing that equitable treatment for athletes in the case of revenue sharing should be based on the revenue their sports generate.

Sources also said the settlement won't require schools to share money with all athletes or share it evenly among athletes -- leaving those decisions up to individual athletic departments as well.

What happens to collectives and NIL payments?​

According to a source, the settlement does not include any provision that would put an end to the booster collectives that currently serve as the main vehicle for paying athletes. School officials hope a settlement will create a way to strengthen the NCAA's ability to enforce its rules, including its rule that requires NIL payments to be for a player's market value as opposed to the current system, which frequently serves as a workaround for "pay-for-play" arrangements. However, drawing a distinction between those two types of payments would remain a difficult, nebulous task. Any attempt to completely eliminate the NIL collective market would take a substantial change in federal law provided by Congress.

The NCAA has created new rules this spring that allow schools to be more directly involved in finding NIL deals for their athletes. New state laws are also opening doors for the schools to use their own money to pay for an athlete's NIL rights as opposed to those funds coming from a third party. The extent to which each school continues to be involved in finding NIL opportunities for its athletes in a future with revenue sharing could vary significantly.

"The feeling in the industry is that collectives are going to be forced to stay outside the universities, and it will become more of a discrepancy of the haves and have-nots," said an industry source. "If you bring collectives in, any money raised would count toward the cap. But schools can hit the cap and still have collectives as third parties. That's the fear, and why there needs to be regulation."

What does this mean for major college basketball and leagues outside power conferences?​

It's still relatively uncertain how this would impact major college basketball schools outside of the power conferences.

Schools in the Big East, which is the most prominent basketball-forward league in the country, haven't been given any formal guidance on how a settlement would trickle down to their level.

The prevailing sentiment is that leagues outside the power conferences named in the lawsuit, including basketball-forward leagues, will have the opportunity to opt into the same 22% revenue-share formula, which would be applied to their specific revenue.

The most expensive men's college basketball rosters heading into next season are commanding $5 million to $7 million in NIL payments, per sources. It's too early to determine whether leagues outside the power football conferences will be able to pay that much through revenue sharing.

The uncertainty about how the power conferences will settle the antitrust claims is leaving many administrators outside those leagues in what they describe as a difficult situation.

"All of the Group of 5 is in a wait-and-see mode, which is a precarious situation," one source told ESPN. "It is extremely tough to lead athletic departments, universities and conferences and plan for the future -- whether that be facilities, NIL, etc. -- when you have no seat at the table to make the rules that will impact you."


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We should all start a free forum consultancy with the university. We represent the fans.
 
We knew this was coming.

Here's a really good story from the Associated Press that lays it all out.

Revenue sharing will happen as soon as the fall of 2025 ($21 million per year to be paid directly to athletes).

Who gets paid? How much? What to know about the landmark NCAA settlement

Associated Press
May 23, 2024

The nearly $2.8 billion settlement that has been approved by the NCAA and the nation’s five largest conferences is a historic step toward a more professional model for college sports.

The plan, which still needs approval from plaintiffs and a federal judge, calls for paying damages to thousands of former and current college athletes who say now-defunct NCAA rules prevented them from earning endorsement money.

It also calls for setting up a first-of-its-kind revenue-sharing system for college athletes, which will impact hundreds of schools across the country as early as fall 2025.

The key takeaways:

WHO GETS PAID NOW?

Under the settlement, $2.77 billion in damages will be paid over 10 years for approximately 14,000 claims dating to 2016. The original plaintiffs included former Arizona State swimmer Grant House and current TCU basketball player Sedona Prince.

Determining how much each athlete gets is a question that will take months to figure out and involve attorneys, the judge and a formula assessing what they are owed.

WHO GETS PAID LATER?

The Big Ten, Big 12, ACC and SEC will be making the largest investment going forward because the settlement includes a proposed revenue-sharing system that will allow schools to commit up to $21 million per year to be paid directly to athletes. The overall commitment, including damages, is expected to be about $300 million per school (there are 69 in all) over 10 years.

How that will work is a major question that will take time for schools and conferences to work out. NCAA rules will likely need to be re-written. Schools do not have to make the financial commitment, but not doing so could result in a competitive disadvantage.

WHO IS PAYING?

The NCAA will cover 41% of the $2.77 billion total, with the biggest Division I conferences (the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and Southeastern) accounting for 24% and the other five major college football conferences (American Athletic, Mid-American, Conference USA, Mountain West ands Sun Belt) covering 10%.

Conferences that compete in the second tier of Division I football, the Championship Subdivision, would cover about 14% and the non-football D-I conferences would be on the hook for 12%.

Reduced spending, insurance and reserve funds from the NCAA are expected to cover about $1.2 billion and the rest will be money that would normally be distributed to 352 Division I schools but instead will be withheld.

Many smaller schools are worried about the loss of that NCAA money on their budgets.

ROSTERS AND SCHOLARSHIPS

One change that could have the most noticeable impact on the field is a switch from the NCAA’s traditional scholarship limits to using roster size to determine how many athletes a school can have for a particular sport.

That could allow the wealthiest schools to provide financial benefits to even more athletes than they already do, trying to gain a competitive advantage. It could also push schools to be more deliberate in deciding how much to invest in certain sports.

“My greatest fear of all of this is what we’re asking for, what is that going to do to all the sports on every campus?” Florida softball coach Tim Walton asked. “What’s it going to do to some of the programs that were relying on their conference and the NCAA for the money? What’s that going to do? Are they dropping programs? Are they dropping sports?”

___​

AP Sports Writer Mark Long contributed.



 
The revenue that will be distributed every year by Power 4 schools starting as early as the fall of 2025: Up to 22% of the average Power 4 teams' revenues, which roughly, right now, is $20M to $21M.

Ohio Sate, Iowa, Iowa State, etc will all be distributing the same amount per year. So, the playing field is level among Power 4 when it comes to revenue sharing.

However, I don't think Scott is correct when he says that Iowa female athletes would get 52% of the roughly $20M/year.

Check this out & watch:

 
The revenue that will be distributed every year by Power 4 schools starting as early as the fall of 2025: Up to 22% of the average Power 4 teams' revenues, which roughly, right now, is $20M to $21M.

Ohio Sate, Iowa, Iowa State, etc will all be distributing the same amount per year. So, the playing field is level among Power 4 when it comes to revenue sharing.

However, I don't think Scott is correct when he says that Iowa female athletes would get 52% of the roughly $20M/year.

Check this out & watch:

And extra NIL outside of this will tip the scales to the schools with the big booster support just like today. All this does is reduce the athletic departments ability to spend internally.
 
And extra NIL outside of this will tip the scales to the schools with the big booster support just like today. All this does is reduce the athletic departments ability to spend internally.

I don't know if this will happen but Scott & Chad discuss the possibility of Iowa cutting sports in order to afford the $20M that will be paid to players as soon as the fall of 2025

 
The players are getting it all.

* No change to NIL
* Revenue sharing
* Won't be considered employees (so the value of their scholarship won't be taxed)


 
Direct revenue sharing with athletes is expected to become a reality in 2025-26 following the announcement earlier this year of a $2.8 billion settlement in the House vs. NCAA lawsuit.

As part of the settlement, schools have the ability to pay up to a cap that is expected to be about $22 million (in addition to what an athlete makes in NIL).

The story from B1G Media Days, from the Gazette (click on "the gazette.com" in the tweet below):

 
Revenue sharing will go into effect at the start of the 2025-26 academic year.

The $20-22 million figure that serves, in effect, as a salary cap will increase over time as the leagues' revenue grows. Experts cited in the court documents said they expect the cap number to grow to nearly $33 million per school by the end of the settlement's 10-year term. The NCAA and plaintiffs' attorneys said those payments when combined with the tuition and other benefits that athletes already receive will create a system where many schools are sharing close to half of the revenue they generate with athletes. That figure is comparable with revenue share agreements in professional sports.

The full story:

 
the full text of the tweet:

The players' association (http://Athletes.Org) has come out in support of the House v. NCAA settlement while calling for schools to partner with athletes:

"The settlement is of a class action and thus was agreed to without the involvement of an organization representing the college athletes’ interests — which is how we got here in the first place. The only sustainable future for college athletics is a future where athletes have a voice in a true partnership with their schools."

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If we are paying kids (most who have not really earned anything), Id like to know a few more things.
With their playing stats: how many "online" classes are they taking (who's really doing the work too), how many credit hours are they taking during the season.
 
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NIL is not going away....Not sure you will be able to limit what any player gets paid, either (the NCAA would just lose another lawsuit)



 
Some actually enjoy it I guess. Schulte is in first year of Dental school.
The majority of university aged kids college age really benefit from the structure and routine of classes. Many of them get a crash course in thinking pro-actively.
 
I know it's fashionable by many to say things like "it's not fair that you over-pay the coaches, and the players get squat" or "if the coaches can pack up and leave whenever they like, so should the players" ...well, you can build the fastest car in the world, but without a talented driver you're still going to lose.

Example: the Iowa defense is never filled with the most talented players money can buy, but that coach, he's worth every frick'n penny.

I'm not against players getting paid, but at this point it's beyond ridiculous that we are literally talking about potentially paying a highly rated QB recruit (or transfer) as much as a mid-tier starting NFL QB.

I say, save your money, and just make sure you get and keep a top-notch coach/staff and they will get it done...it's proven, it's science.
 
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