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Is this true though? TCU may not be in the heart of Dallas, but it is in a metro of 6Million...in the heart of Texas.
Baylor is probably comparable and they have caught that lightning, but even then they are in a city of 125k...in Texas.
Wisconsin is completely different, non-comparable. UW is really a huge university and in a state twice the size of Iowa with less competition.
Sure, I think ISU can overcome, if it can find Art Briles and move to Texas.
LOL. Good one. And Baylor's record with the NCAA isn't all that spotless, either.
One of the striking things about Baylor and TCU is the lack of fan support. OK, granted, it had been pouring down rain in Waco, but even so, there weren't 40,000 people in the place. When we played at TCU last year in the final game of the season, it seemed likely they would make the playoffs, and again, fewer than 50K butts on the seats. Hell, we played TCU in the Houston Bowl a few years ago and it seemed like we had as many fans there as they did.
There's just so much talent down there it's ridiculous.
Quick googled article said 1,300 3/4/5* players in Texas. 41 in Iowa.
Edit: That can't be right.
Try this article: http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/9/11/4718442/college-football-state-texas-california-florida
Shows Texas has over 15% of recruits each year.
Edit: That can't be right.
Try this article: http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/9/11/4718442/college-football-state-texas-california-florida
Shows Texas has over 15% of recruits each year.
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That is one of the things I've found so surprising about TCU vs. SMU. SMU is in the middle of Dallas with great history (and terrible), similar enrollment, yet TCU has blown by. I think that is simply coaching, namely Gary Patterson. He should always be at the top of every teams list, always, but I can't imagine him leaving such fertile ground.
Um neither is Iowa, but focus on little points here and there, and take everything literally. There are a lot of factors in play. ISU can overcome their obstacles like many other schools have, or feel sorry for themselves and go to the MAC. Looks like you are here to argue today, so have fun.
My daughter went to SMU. Great school but I think they are years away as an institution from really wanting to do what needs to be done to compete for athletes in that area of the country. Additionally they built a really cool stadium only the really cool stadium holds only 32,000. People go to games there to enjoy their tailgate along the boulevard, sip their wine and hope for a season that is close to .500. It is a shame...beautiful campus and money everywhere around them.
Lighten up, man. As much as we had things rolling, we didn't put them away on the scoreboard until right at the end. I know was wasn't the only Hawk fan with visions of other close CyHawk games we threw away.
Don't say that kind of thing to TCU supporters. Ft. Worth folks are pretty uppity about how they're just as big and important as Dallas.
A, what's the number of players per million population? Per square mile? That kind of raw number skews things.
B, star rankings are crap. How many of those kids get stars just because they're from Texas? How many Iowa kids are overlooked entirely just because they're from Iowa? You don't know and neither do I.
C, my point is not against Texas having more talent at hand than Iowa. It's against throwing around a statistic without knowing how to handle it.
The first major difference that comes to mind is that TCU was never given the Death Penalty.
The second is that they are in a power conference while SMU is not (yes, they had worked their way to a higher profile that got them that invite).
Third is a coach who reinvented himself. TCU was not adjusting well to life in the Big 12 until New Gary decided to throw out what he knew in an effort to save his bacon.
I'll cut you some slack here because I think you probably just forgot that SMU got the death penalty from the NCAA. There's a reason they call it that instead of a slap on the wrist.
There may well be other reasons, but that's a biggie.
I put (terrible) in there for that. Of course that was huge, but how long, realistically, should that last? PSU in the last year just hit the wall of those revoked scholarship limits and will probably bounce back fine, so how much worse is cancelling all of it? Wouldn't Ohio State be fully back within a decade, if not much sooner?
Hell, I was tiny during that time, these new recruits know nothing about it. It is in downtown f****** Dallas, how are they not much, much better? How do Texas athletes prefer to go to Waco over that?
Thanks for the link - looks like ISU's strength coach called it the best - not sure if that makes it true. I did chuckle reading a few of the comments understanding how the last 1 1/2 years have gone for the Cyclones.
Says the moron who is just too lazy to go look up the actual rankings. I have a feeling you already knew, but are just playing dumb like you do every time someone actually fact checks your stupid statents.
A - how does this matter at all? If there were GREAT recruits in China, why would per capita or square footage matter? Texas is a) Texas and b) much, much closer than Ames. So lets say you live the farthest possible away from TCU, the furthest you can possibly be is 8-ish hours, 3 hours closer than Ames, and 15 degrees warmer. And, again, it is IN Texas, and 60% of population comes just from the biggest metro areas.
B - Sure, crap on star rankings, no way all of those 350+ MORE 3/4/5 stars than Iowa are actually 3/4/5 stars. How many do you have to downgrade to even pretend to approach the states surrounding and including Iowa? Ok, so let's pretend that Iowans are just overlooked, I mean, hell, Parkersburg had 3 players in the NFL at one point! According to this a whopping .33/100k from Iowa are D1 recruits. Texas had 15% of all recruits from 2008-13 according to this. So, let's say there are a lot of Diamonds in the rough that don't make it to that level, how many more can there be? 10? 100?
C - How am I mishandling the statistic? Maybe there are better things out there. How many recruits visit Baylor, or TCU each year? How many visit ISU?
This map is interesting, but probably already posted (no idea on accuracy): http://mode.github.io/blog/2014-01-16-football-hometowns/index.html#
It's fairly easy to put more context on those numbers. The population of Texas is about 26.96 million. Iowa's population is 3.17 million. Texas has 1 3/4/5* player for every 20,760 residents. Iowa has 1 3/4/5* player for every 77,317 residents. That is quite a difference. Not only does Texas have more good players on a raw count, but also significantly more on a per person basis. Of course there are more FBS schools in Texas than in Iowa, but the level of player generally available to a Texas school is magnitude different than in Iowa.
There likely is some star inflation due to kids being from Texas, but really the star rankings are based on a couple of things: evaluations at camps and the list of schools offering a player. Iowa high school kids get rated highly if they go to a camp and succeed or if they get an impressive list of offers, or both. Same for a Texas kid. If anything, I would argue that more Texas kids get overlooked just due to the sheer volume of good players in Texas. Iowa kids in recent years have received high rankings, such as Piersbacher or Darboh or French (went to Oregon).
A bit unrelated, but the current Iowa roster has quite a few lowly rated Texas kids who are either contributing or are in a position to in coming years:
Jerminic Smith - 3*, other offers include ISU, Minnesota, TTech, North Texas, SMU. Iowa had to ward some local teams (TTech) off late in the game and you can see why. He's in a position to be a 3-year starter at Iowa. He likely would have been the highest-rated player in the state of Iowa last year.
Emanual Ogwo - 3*, LA Monroe, New Mex State, Rutgers were other offers. Likely redshirt for this year.
Josh Jackson - 2* - redshirt freshman who is playing in the Raider package and on track to be a 2-year starter at Iowa (3 years if King goes pro). Other offers were Colorado State, Nevada, New Mexico State
Hillyer - 3*, other offers Colorado State and UTEP. 5th year senior is a starter
Justin Jinning - 2*, other offers were New Mexico State and Purdue. Redshirting. Good athlete who hopefully can contribute after the redshirt year.
Anthony Gair (formerly Morgan) - 3* and best offer list of any kid from Texas. Arizona, CSU, Stanford, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Virginia among his offers. Has started 2 games in his career and is likely starter for Lomax next year.
Angelo Garbutt - 3*, impressive offer list of Missouri, Nebraska, Oregon State, TTech. Redshirting and will be a good option at LB when Jewell, Nieman, Bower, etc. move on in 2 years.
Bud Spears - 3*, offers from Minnesota and North Texas. Senior who hasn't played much.
That's quite a good hit rate on mostly lower rated kids. The only guy who will likely complete his career without contributing a lot is Spears. And no kid who puts in 5 years, stays out of trouble and gets his degree is an "underachiever" in my book. Hillyer has been a contributor multiple years, many of the other guys are already contributing a lot.
Because they are smallish private schools. There are probably more Oklahoma fans in Texas than there are Baylor or TCU fans. Since you guys seem to think enrollment is the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th reason for a schools popularity. I would think a Cyclone fan would be the first to realize that factor in the realm of fandom.
Well, one possibility is that the only reason SMU built a strong program before getting the death penalty was by doing things that earned them the death penalty, and they had to cut down on those things after getting caught (again and again).
As for your question, I have been to Dallas and I have been to Waco, and I don't know why anybody would prefer the latter, either. Maybe it's just Branch Davidians and Texas high school football players.
LOL....this week's coach's poll has OSU at #10 and OU at #13. The composite rankings put OU at #11.
My original statements remain valid.
Of course, reality isn't your forte. If OSU beats TCU, you simply will say it "proves" TCU is overrated.
Of course Texas mass produces football players, and everything else. They're big. No one will debate that. But star rankings are still crap. They're all perception and sales. Relying on star rankings is equivalent to relying on ratings from the Better Business Bureau.
None of this has to do with Mangino being fired, so . . . let's set this aside for now, eh?
None of this has to do with Mangino being fired, so . . . let's set this aside for now, eh?
Just a thought, maybe Rhoads was afraid of getting fired mid-season and Mangino getting his job.
Story in the Register today says Paul Wulf, former head coach at Washington State, has joined Rhoads' staff as an unpaid volunteer coach.
Feel free to speculate on this. There have been around three dozen possible explanations on CR so far.
That seems very odd on the surface.
A former D-1 head coach joining a bottom tier program as an unpaid assistant mid-season? How and why did that happen?
Is there some personal connection between the two?
Can you summarize the speculation LoneClone?
Not really much point to it. You can probably imagine the gamut of talk, ranging from "he's going to be the new coach" to "the new OC doesn't trust anybody else on the staff and wants somebody he knows."
I think it's probably pretty simple. He and Todd Sturdy (new OC, was QB coach) go back a long way, working together at Eastern Washington and Washington State. Wulf is out of a job, fired from his job as OC at South Florida after last season. Rhoads is short a coach on the offensive side of the ball. Here's a guy who's available, is tight with the new OC, and presumably doesn't need the money -- I'm assuming there was some kind of severance agreement when he, the DC and the DB coach were all fired at USF.
Wulf was successful at Eastern Washington, unsuccessful at Washington State, then was the top offensive assistant for Harbaugh with the 49ers, then went to USF for one season.
I don't think the situation is really all that mysterious.
So, essentially helping out a friend while he's killing time waiting for positions to open up again at the end of this season.
If I had a nice severance package and didn't need the dough I think I'd rather spend my time on the golf course, or a whole host of other things, rather than move to a different state with a crappy climate and be a volunteer coach for a bad team for a couple of months.
But, that's just me.
If I had a nice severance package and didn't need the dough I think I'd rather spend my time on the golf course, or a whole host of other things, rather than move to a different state with a crappy climate and be a volunteer coach for a bad team for a couple of months.
But, that's just me.
That's probably why they gave the job to Wulf instead of to you.
But I agree with you. Moving from south Florida to mid-Iowa in late October is a nice move for a few weeks -- the leaves are beautiful right now, and the temperature isn't bad at all -- but I don't think I'd do it.
On the other hand, if a longtime friend asks you to help him out for a few weeks, why not?
Using different polls to almost make a point. Solid job. I'll be cheering on Okie State to beat TCU, it just moves Iowa up further.
LOL. Yes, you caught me. My efforts to mislead you into thinking I was citing a single poll failed. Maybe I shouldn't have written that "I thought one of the polls had OU at #10 this week and another had OSU #10 and OU #12."
Moreover, go back to my original post, in which I said ISU will be playing teams that are "in or near the top ten." Which was a true statement.
Relish, when it becomes obvious you have stuck your foot in your mouth, you should just accept it as part of life and go on to the next event, not compound your error.
TCU and Baylor can do all of their recruiting on a quarter tank of gas, Iowa State cant. Someone brought up their schemes and I thought that was interesting. They play zone read, spread, etc........on offense, they will never have the skill guys to compete with the rest of the Big 12 in that scheme. Their best shot, is switching to a pro style offense like Iowa and Wisconsin. It would take a few years to get there, but in the long run thats their best bet to compete in the Big 12. What do we have in the midwest?? Linemen. Use that to your benefit. Control the clock and keep your defense off the field. Also, every defense in the Big 12 is built to stop the spread. You have 1 team a year that lines up and plays power football, it would be a tough adjustment for the defense.
It's not all in "how many kids does a state produce"...it's what you do with them that also adds to the mix, and it's how the talent wants to be coached that adds to the mix. So...for northern schools, even though the south might be talent-rich...it may not be what I would call talent that fits what you're trying to do.
Coaches will go where the talent is. I know many people rip on Ferentz for not going south heavily. But since Iowa will never, ever truly compete for all the 5 stars down there because they quite frankly for the most part don't want to go where it's cold, or leave home, etc...strictly going after the big names may not be exactly the right way to go for Iowa.
They gotta fit, in every respect there is - to what you're trying to be as a program. Just because a guy has 5 stars to his name doesn't mean he's necessarily a good fit for every program in America.
So, as far as how that relates to ISU - the same thing applies. I believe Iowa State's struggles over their history are more related to a general "what do we truly want to be as a football program" more than anything else.
Once they figure that out - and it's very possible they never truly have found that - then they will find consistent success...no matter where they get their players from.
Coaches will go where the talent is. I know many people rip on Ferentz for not going south heavily. But since Iowa will never, ever truly compete for all the 5 stars down there because they quite frankly for the most part don't want to go where it's cold, or leave home, etc...strictly going after the big names may not be exactly the right way to go for Iowa.
They gotta fit, in every respect there is - to what you're trying to be as a program. Just because a guy has 5 stars to his name doesn't mean he's necessarily a good fit for every program in America.
So, as far as how that relates to ISU - the same thing applies. I believe Iowa State's struggles over their history are more related to a general "what do we truly want to be as a football program" more than anything else.
Once they figure that out - and it's very possible they never truly have found that - then they will find consistent success...no matter where they get their players from.
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