i would agree with this. As we know from every previous year, a lot can happen that is unexpected. It seems more likely Pemsl moves in or someone transfers or leaves and it will work itself out.
Riley Till was part of Senior Night. Pemsl Transferring. We are now at 13 on Scholarship for 2020-21
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i would agree with this. As we know from every previous year, a lot can happen that is unexpected. It seems more likely Pemsl moves in or someone transfers or leaves and it will work itself out.
I am not advocating that he does leave, I just wonder how his body is holding up. He’s playing his best ball of the year right now and seems reenergized since his suspension. But I wonder how he will feel about another offseason of hard work if his body is feeling broken down.
i think Fran signed 5 for 2020 for a reason. He knew the 2 who would not be on scholarship next year. 1 is Till. The second player? We will find out in the next month or so.
We're bringing in 2 guards, 2 forwards and a center, plus a PF who sat out all year with an injury and another forward with an illness. This maybe becomes a concern if Garza does leave but otherwise I think we're good depthwise. We've played most of the year with what is essentially a 4 guard lineup this year.
In the two games before Nunge got injured, both wins, he was averaging 12.5 Pt's and 8.5 Rb's. Not exactly hurting the team.
Ogundele has great promise but will not be ready to play substantive minutes next year (my opinion) and the Murray twins do not play the five.
Could be. But it's also pretty rare these days for college programs to NOT have attrition. Could be that Connor changing status is the back-up plan if nobody leaves. I'm sure they came into this season thinking there would be a decent chance of Weezy going pro early.
True, Ogundele obviously won't play Kriener-level minutes. But, assuming that Garza comes back, I think it's reasonable to suggest that he'll play 10 or so. Nunge can also fill in at the 5 in a pinch - especially if/when Fran chooses to play small ball, we already know Connor can competently play the 4, and the Murrays/Patrick should also be able to play the 4 in a pinch.
We're already essentially playing with just 3 bigs this year. Given the success that Fran and the Hawks have had this year, I don't know that we need to go backwards with the lineup.
I do expect 2 of the incoming freshmen to redshirt next year imo. Keegan sounds like he could be ready to play, but his brother sounds like a RS candidate. Possibly either Perkins or Ulis could also, if JBo is back (99% certainty imo).
Counting numbers don't really tell the story. He had a 94.7 ORtg, by far the lowest of any frontcourt player Iowa uses. The majority of his mins are now split between Kreiner (113.9), Weiskamp (112.6) and McCaffery (117.6).
It seems like Fran is expecting Garza or Pemsl to leave if not both. Or he plans to take a scholarship from his sons and pay their way.
I'm not sure you're understanding what I'm saying because you're response isn't a coherent point.
What exactly are you attempting to disagree with?
Fran benefits financially by winning games. Keeping a scholarship open for JBO by paying for one of his sons will help him win games and make more money than he spent.
In your scenario if a regular scholarship player choose to go off scholarship and remained on the team it would raise all kind of immediate and obvious scrutiny.
It would not work.
2 problems with that are
A, hes clearly not allowed to pay for other players that aren't his kids and B, the roster would be the same regardless of who he was paying for so it wouldn't make any difference.
‘And his ORtg “don’t” really tell the story in such a small sample size when he barely played in 2 games out of 5.
That's a good sign.
Wonder if that will change once he wins BT MVP and the Wooden Award?
Or perhaps it was a little more like this. You know by applying your theory to the actual people involved.
Dad: Do you like winning and helping the team and family?
Son: I sure do Dad, I am a fierce competitor and love my family.
Dad: I need you to give up your scholarship and I will cover your expenses.
Son: Sounds good to me Dad, do I need to sign anything? Glad I could help the team and our family.
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Its certainly possible that Luka goes to the league, BUT, as I've said Fran would not have known this before he signed 5 players. The only players involved where Fran would have known he had control of their scholorships before signing day. Till, who s leaving and Cmac. Unless he was counting on either Joe W or Luka going pro, and that would have been a gamble on his part.
Exactly, Fran would have had to know before he signed 5 players. Garza, he would not have known. Pemsl, probably not either unless he has already told Fran he was going to grad transfer, in which case he would be doing the senior day thing also probably. Other then Nunge and Pemsl there is no one who would be transfering. Can't see Nunge sitting another year unless he would drop to D2, and don't see him doing that.
This all stems from my reading your first post in this thread as saying that Fran should pay for his boys because having them on scholarship was something he was profiting on professionally. I clearly read your post backwards.
For this specific post, I was referring to bringing his 2 kids on as walk-ons (both were top 100 recruits per ESPN & others).
The obvious ending this off-season will be that either someone will transfer or Connor could be pulled back to walk-on status since that's where he started.
It's not really much of a gamble. Whether Till was leaving or not, he only got a scholarship because one happened to be available. College hoops are rife with transfers and transition, so it's not a reach to think someone would leave. While I think everyone expected JBo to play the 10 games and stop, there was a chance that he'd have played through. Additionally, I came into this season expecting JW to be north of 50% likely to go pro. He hasn't had the season I think he expected, so he's probably back next year......but all along, he had the option of putting Connor back to walk-on status in his back pocket.
Late second rounder at best but probably still won't be projected as a draft pick.
I think theres an extremely high likelihood hes back next year.
One thing that I think was hinted at in this thread, but maybe needs some more discussion - is it possible Patrick will never be able to play and the family already knows it? I know it has been mentioned over and over here, but his body is probably about 6-9, 175? He is a total string bean, and unless he gains weight (which I understand is a problem due to his medical issues, thyroid related I think?) I just don't see him being that viable in a physical conference like the B1G.
I have a feeling this will garner a lot of negative responses, but I don't mean it in a negative way. Just asking the question...
I have a feeling this will garner a lot of negative responses, but I don't mean it in a negative way. Just asking the question...
Is he practicing? That would probably answer your question. If he’s practicing then they’re probably looking for a medical hardship year.
I agree on Till and Cmac, which is what I said. The gamble was whether Joe W may have told Fran this was his last year, which was always somewhat of a stretch. Fran can say he's not surprised now, but nobody foresaw what Garzilla is doing.....
Id' have to agree. Don't think he would be practicing and traveling with the team, if he knew he was not going to play next year. It may seem like fun for awhile, but even the traveling gets old, when you also have school and other obligations. I think Patrick is all in, at least thats the plan....
I don’t necessarily think that weight would hold him back from playing college ball. It seems, at that level, that if you are skilled enough, then you can compensate for being undersized or underweight. Would definitely inhibit his opportunity to play at any level beyond college though. Only thing that I could see holding Pat back from playing college ball would be his health, which I don’t have information on
I just question why it even matters what Fran says. I just don't really see it as a particularly big gamble to think that someone might leave after a college basketball season.
I've seen some people mention that at the time we signed the five guys, Fran couldn't have foreseen the season Garza was going to have. But also, Fran could have also thought Jordan would be healthy enough to play the entire season and therefore he'd be done. I still say either Jordan leaves (based on comments from his old high school coach saying Jordan told him transferring was a good possibility) or Garza (as the national POY) leaves early.
There is no way in hell Jordan Bohannon transfers out of Iowa. That is not happening.
Maybe not the SEC. SEC takes baseball more serious than any other power 5 conference.
Yes, but they cheat more than any power 5 conference too. So, they’d give him a tennis full ride scholarship.
