Roster building, team chemistry and NIL

[jhoosh43]

A common opinion in the transfer portal threads is that Iowa should throw a large sum of money at a top QB transfer.

This seems like an easy answer. However much like City Boyz changed KF's opinion on recruiting after his top 10 recruiting class in 2003(?), I think Cade and Kaleb Brown will really shape which transfers the Hawkeyes bring in via the portal.

Big money comes with big ego and bringing in players like that to a team without top NIL resources will likely affect team unity. I don't think we will see any high profile guys transfer to Iowa, and I honestly think it's a smart move by the coaching staff.

 

[squeezebox]

this is exactly the type of shit mentality I expect from many of this fanbase. If you want to be the best you have to act like it. Cade wasn't even a top 5 let alone a top 20 qb transfer...He did not cost as much as you think either. Hudson Card, Tanner Mordecai...etc were far better. This is Kirk/Brian trying to bring in a game manager. Kaleb Brown is an insane talent that was underutilized and under developed. The coaching staff should view this as a WR coach problem and an OC problem (hopefully dealt with).

Iowa should never live and die off the portal, but bolstering it with high end players is exactly what they should do, while paying the players they recruit to stick around for an extra year.

 

[ClarindaA's]

A common opinion in the transfer portal threads is that Iowa should throw a large sum of money at a top QB transfer.

This seems like an easy answer. However much like City Boyz changed KF's opinion on recruiting after his top 10 recruiting class in 2003(?), I think Cade and Kaleb Brown will really shape which transfers the Hawkeyes bring in via the portal.

Big money comes with big ego and bringing in players like that to a team without top NIL resources will likely affect team unity. I don't think we will see any high profile guys transfer to Iowa, and I honestly think it's a smart move by the coaching staff.

His top ten class was 05, Douglas, Satterfield, and da Boyz were 06. Douglas wasn't highly recruited. Loser mentality. Cam Ward should have been the target, not an oft injured guy who did ok with NFL talent all around him. BTW, that 05 Class was what resulted in 2008 and 2009 being a success.

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

His top ten class was 05, Douglas, Satterfield, and da Boyz were 06. Douglas wasn't highly recruited. Loser mentality. Cam Ward should have been the target, not an oft injured guy who did ok with NFL talent all around him. BTW, that 05 Class was what resulted in 2008 and 2009 being a success.

Not really. Most of those players were busts. Only a handful of impact players from that class on those teams (Angerer, Moeaki, Eubanks, Dace Richardson, T. Stross, K. Calloway - Marshal Yanda was gone before those seasons, and Shonn Green of course left after his great '08 season). Most of the stars from those seasons were from the '06 class (Stanzi, DJK, B. Morse, J. Hunter, A. Spievey, A. Clayborn, K. Klug, AJ Edds, B. Greenwood, D. Murray, R. Donahue), with a bunch of others from the '07 class (McNutt, Bulaga, Sash, Binns, Balard, Sandeman), and '08 class (A. Robinson, Reiff, Prater).

 

[BurgHawk87]

this is exactly the type of shit mentality I expect from many of this fanbase. If you want to be the best you have to act like it. Cade wasn't even a top 5 let alone a top 20 qb transfer...He did not cost as much as you think either. Hudson Card, Tanner Mordecai...etc were far better. This is Kirk/Brian trying to bring in a game manager. Kaleb Brown is an insane talent that was underutilized and under developed. The coaching staff should view this as a WR coach problem and an OC problem (hopefully dealt with).

Iowa should never live and die off the portal, but bolstering it with high end players is exactly what they should do, while paying the players they recruit to stick around for an extra year.

I don't know if anyone has the evidence to claim that. Maybe after this coming season but until now I'm of the opinion that he has potential but not much to show for it (other than drops).

 

[jhoosh43]

His top ten class was 05, Douglas, Satterfield, and da Boyz were 06. Douglas wasn't highly recruited. Loser mentality. Cam Ward should have been the target, not an oft injured guy who did ok with NFL talent all around him. BTW, that 05 Class was what resulted in 2008 and 2009 being a success.

Fair enough. Would you agree that the recruiting mentality changed post 2006? Comments from the staff seemed to focus on finding recruits with good family support and avoiding some that maybe had more talent.

To me, it was maybe lazy, possibly realistic by KF. He doesn't seem to want run a program that supports players that may need more than
others, so they shy away from some recruits that have more talent. That doesn't seem like a program that can navigate the complexities of highly paid players.

So I really don't think hot shot transfers would work in the KF system and the current program mentality. I think it would be a shitshow.

 

[ClarindaA's]

Fair enough. Would you agree that the recruiting mentality changed post 2006? Comments from the staff seemed to focus on finding recruits with good family support and avoiding some that maybe had more talent.

To me, it was maybe lazy, possibly realistic by KF. He doesn't seem to want run a program that supports players that may need more than
others, so they shy away from some recruits that have more talent. That doesn't seem like a program that can navigate the complexities of highly paid players.

So I really don't think hot shot transfers would work in the KF system and the current program mentality. I think it would be a shitshow.

It did change after that, and I think for the worse for a few years. 2007 was brutal class if i recall correctly

 

[yrunvs]

After schools get burned paying way too much for way too little actual results it will eventually get back to player developement and less player purchases.

 

[hexumhawk]

A common opinion in the transfer portal threads is that Iowa should throw a large sum of money at a top QB transfer.

This seems like an easy answer. However much like City Boyz changed KF's opinion on recruiting after his top 10 recruiting class in 2003(?), I think Cade and Kaleb Brown will really shape which transfers the Hawkeyes bring in via the portal.

Big money comes with big ego and bringing in players like that to a team without top NIL resources will likely affect team unity. I don't think we will see any high profile guys transfer to Iowa, and I honestly think it's a smart move by the coaching staff.

When NIL started up in full I was on the opposite side of this argument. I have now seen the results of teams spending gobs of money only to build a bunch of highly paid individual players that don't care about winning. Texas A&M is probably the best example of a team that went all in on paying top dollar and the locker room turned to complete crap. Iowa might be better off spreading the money around and getting players that fit their culture.

As far as QB goes, unless Iowa changes drastically on offense, it doesn't make any sense to go all in on a QB.

 

[BrotherHawkeye]

I don't know if anyone has the evidence to claim that. Maybe after this coming season but until now I'm of the opinion that he has potential but not much to show for it (other than drops).

Something happened at the Minnesota game this year for him. It was obtusely discussed by Lester at a press conference that some WR was not running a timing route in the way it needed to be done (took more steps into a route than he should have). I've presumed he was talking about Brown, because that was the last we saw of him. I doubt that it was just that game that caused Lester to say that, but it was probably the last manifestation of Brown not doing what he was supposed to, either volitionally or out of an inability to follow instruction. Either way, it likely didn't sit right with Lester. And that was that, talent aside.

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

After schools get burned paying way too much for way too little actual results it will eventually get back to player developement and less player purchases.

That's wishful thinking, my friend. The genie is out of the bottle. I think if we're being honest with ourselves, we realize that this is only going to get worse and worse and worse.

 

[yrunvs]

That's wishful thinking, my friend. The genie is out of the bottle. I think if we're being honest with ourselves, we realize that this is only going to get worse and worse and worse.

To win 7-10 games a year you only need to give scholarships and have a system to develope those players (sound familier). Personally I'm fine with that.
Second tier teams like the Iowa's of college football will soon find out that they are throwing their money down a dark hole and player developement is still the best game in town.

 

[the24fan]

I've said this more than once, but if you are a college player who is interested in grabbing your cash now in college than go anywhere but Iowa. Iowa is and always will be a developmental program.
Now if you if you have some talent and want to get better as a player and have a good shot at a professional career at the next level than by all means look at the Hawks. Especially on defense.
It is what it is fellas. I've just come to accept iowa will never be a consistent national player in championships or in attracting the top end talent in this NIL age. However, if recruits are paying attention, then they should see that Iowa prepares athletes for the next level and that should be the ultimate goal.

 

[yrunvs]

I've said this more than once, but if you are a college player who is interested in grabbing your cash now in college than go anywhere but Iowa. Iowa is and always will be a developmental program.
Now if you if you have some talent and want to get better as a player and have a good shot at a professional career at the next level than by all means look at the Hawks. Especially on defense.
It is what it is fellas. I've just come to accept iowa will never be a consistent national player in championships or in attracting the top end talent in this NIL age. However, if recruits are paying attention, then they should see that Iowa prepares athletes for the next level and that should be the ultimate goal.

Now you're catching on and honestly it's okay. The unbolded above.

 

[jdv77]

I agree that Iowa will fundamentally remain a development program. It will attempt to build the team through high school recruiting and development. The portal will be used to add pieces if they missed or have attrition in a position group. If you see Iowa going after a big name at QB, in my opinion it will only be in a year where they think they are only a QB away from contending.