Rotation & Who is going to Redshirt?
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Yep. Fran himself said that Moss and Hutton are behind right now, and he played them the least. Moss probably has the better chance to catch up because he showed up late. Whereas, Hutton is struggling to learn multiple positions. Redshiritng Hutton seems like a no-brainer at this point. Moss is probably 50-50. Unfortunately, if we redshirt two players this year then we have a huge class of incoming Freshman next year (6). Of course, we could always redshirt one or two guys next year as well.
Yep...just one less paycheck he would have earned throughout his life. In sports, at that age, you don't wait another year UNLESS your NBA chances are substantially better the next year then the current.
Gabe was handled properly for Gabe's benefit.
My hope is that no one red shirts. I think the program may be to the point where the influx of talent, at least for the next few years just gets better. IMO unless someone thinks that they really want to redshirt or there is an injury that forces a redshirt, that they all play and let the minutes they get play out per they way they approach being a Hawkeye. I believe they all have talent to play in the B1G, the harder they work and get it, the better player they will be. So let it play out this year and the next and the next, and on and on. The future is bright .
No, at that point he should have redshirted. There was no way anyone was just assuming he was going to play professionally. He was the most lost player iver ever seen play a college basketball game.
His time on the court that year was a complete waste.
If he wanted to leave after three years of playing he would have clearly still had that option.
Yes, that's what he said post-game. One guy looks great in one practice, then not in the next one. Another guys looks great, then not and so on. I don't think those who have redshirted previously in Fran's tenure have stayed, have they?
I may be mistaken but isn't Meyer the only player who redshirted for Fran at Iowa, and then left? I don't think Ingram redshirted.
On the other side of the coin Ellingson is still here. And Uthoff is an interesting case, he had no redshirt year to give and thus gave up a year of basketball plus paid his own way for one year to be a Hawkeye.
My memory is really slipping...but Dickerson, Meyer, Ingram...who else has left? Hubbard wasn't a transfer. Brust was a coaching change lost recruit.
IMHO - Rotation when the real bullets start to fly:
Gesell, Clemmons, Jok, Uthoff, Woodbury, Uhl, Jones, Ellingson, with Baer, Wagner, Fleming, and Williams getting spot minutes to gain experience in case they are needed because of fouls or injuries.
Most likely to redshirt:
Moss and Hutton. Both could use the time to acclimate to college life, learn McC's style of O and D, and to improve their game. I also could see the Soukup twins red shirting.
Gesell, Clemmons, Jok, Uthoff, Woodbury, Uhl, Jones, Ellingson, with Baer, Wagner, Fleming, and Williams getting spot minutes to gain experience in case they are needed because of fouls or injuries.
Most likely to redshirt:
Moss and Hutton. Both could use the time to acclimate to college life, learn McC's style of O and D, and to improve their game. I also could see the Soukup twins red shirting.
Stokes redshirted, was a walkon. Always wondered if he got much playing time when he transferred for his senior year).
Stokes averaged 19 minutes per game for Fairleigh Dickenson last year. Averaged 3 points and 3 rebounds.
Precisely.
Understandable, but also unfortunate.
Gabe may have gotten some money in the draft if he was playing this year.
Fran apparently has said Williams will not redshirt, but does plan to redshirt 1-2 guys. I'm thinking Hutton for sure. Maybe the walkons.
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in 2014 we played 10 guys, last year we played 8-9. I think this year we play 7 guys a lot and one or two otheR guys will play here and there. Think that will work better. We had a tighter bench last year and did better and could have a tighter one this year and hopefully continues to improve. Vs michigan and Maryland last ear when we had our shortest rotation, those are two of the best games we played of last year. Seems like the starting five will play a lot along with uhl. Seems like Baer, Fleming and Williams are the newcomers that will play the most. Having a tighter bench will help with continuity abd chemistry which is good.
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He also said the same about Wagner -- no surprise there. That leaves Hutton and Moss who were never even mentioned during today's press conference. As you said, Hutton seems a lock to redshirt. And coach isn't sure if there will be another redshirt, which to me means he is not sure yet whether to redshirt Moss.
The transferring because of a red shirt doesn't make much sense, although I know it frequently happens. You must really hate your first choice to sit out a year and then another year. Think of what that forever lost season means, 25% of a career. Of course, a kid that wants to transfer after freshman year probably isn't think with a sense of urgency anyway.
Came across this McCaffrey interview on Hawkeye Nation from yesterday that goes into more detail on the redshirt situation, if people haven't seen that yet: http://hawkeyenation.com/basketball/mccaffery-talks-redshirt-possibilities
Also talks about tomorrow night's exhibition game. I'm sure he'll mess with rotations and sub and whatnot, but it sounds from the interview like he maybe plans to treat this one a little bit less like an experiment and a little bit more like a serious game.
As he puts it:
If that's the case, I'm hoping we manage to keep it somewhat close and/or make it a fun game for people. Your starters in particular have us beat in just about every category (length, athleticism, experience, etc.), so if Fran's not going to be experimenting as much as he did against USF, it has the potential to be a long night for Augie.
Also talks about tomorrow night's exhibition game. I'm sure he'll mess with rotations and sub and whatnot, but it sounds from the interview like he maybe plans to treat this one a little bit less like an experiment and a little bit more like a serious game.
As he puts it:
FRAN McCAFFERY: I think there’s two ways to look at exhibition games. You can look at it, where you’re playing somebody that you know you’re going to beat and play everybody and work on some things, and you can play somebody who won 31 games who’s experienced and has really talented players and they’re going to challenge you in a different way.
So clearly that’s what this game is.
We have arguably the toughest schedule we’ve played in a long time, so this, I think, would better prepare us for what we’re going to face in the ensuing weeks and not a game that we’re just going to rotate everybody in and not really see where our deficiencies are and how good we can be.
So clearly that’s what this game is.
We have arguably the toughest schedule we’ve played in a long time, so this, I think, would better prepare us for what we’re going to face in the ensuing weeks and not a game that we’re just going to rotate everybody in and not really see where our deficiencies are and how good we can be.
If that's the case, I'm hoping we manage to keep it somewhat close and/or make it a fun game for people. Your starters in particular have us beat in just about every category (length, athleticism, experience, etc.), so if Fran's not going to be experimenting as much as he did against USF, it has the potential to be a long night for Augie.
Depends what the player's priorities are in regards to sticking it out for a winning team or playing right away for a lesser program.
Also depends on what promises were made in the recruiting process.
Also depends on what promises were made in the recruiting process.
Also I'm probably reading into Fran's comments a little too much, but he did mention Fleming immediately as probably getting some playing time and at the end of his answer said something like Ellingson will be fighting for time too. I get the impression Brady will have a tough time over taking Fleming and may look elsewhere down the road. Cross that bridge when we come to it though.
I dunno. I heard an interview with Coach McCaffery recently where he, once again, praised Ellingson as a player that always knew where he was supposed to be, both on offense and defense, and knew what his limitations were. I will say he had better shoot better than he did in the first exhibition game if he is going to see much meaningful floor time.
