Agree on raw turnovers, but her AST/TOV ratio got much better in college after her freshman year: 1.49 (2021), 1.69 (2022), 2.07 (2023), 1.87 (2024). This year, Clark's AST/TOV for the Fever is 1.50, virtually the same as her freshman year at Iowa. Hopefully she can also improve that number in future years.
Rodman, for all of his strangness, had that super quick second and third jump to get back up and tip the ball without taking time to bend and gather himself for the jump. He was also a defensive stopper that could guard multiple positions. I remember when he was with Detroit watching him go step-for-step with James Worthy's spin move. I believe that was the first time I had seen anyone do that and stay in good defensive position.
What would that ratio be if her teammates could convert just on layups alone? Not to mention wide open jump shots.
Interestingly enough, if an average of just 1 bobbled pass out of bounds or to the opposing team were converted into an assisted bucket per game (just 1 per game), she would be averaging 9.4 and 4.7, or an A/TO ratio of exactly 2.0.
As I’ve posted in another thread, I think her TOs will always be around 4.0-5.0 per game. She’s going to be in the neighborhood of 10.0 apg, and anything below 4.0 TOs drives that A/TO ratio north of 2.5. Maybe she can get above that mark with enough experience and the right supporting cast, but that’s a tall task given how she plays the game. And that’s okay.
He was a freak athlete. He just didn’t participate (scoring) on the offensive end, but is the greatest rebounder in the history of the game. And, like you said, was a great defender.
Nope. Absolutely one of a kind. His transition into his role, and excellence at those specific niches, are exemplary. He went from being able to score earlier in his career to being the ultimate rebound/defensive stalwart to increase his value. For his relative size, he shouldn't have been able to handle bigger bodies so consistently in a league as large and as competitive as the NBA. He's the standard for undersized rebounding excellence. Still the best I've seen. So effortless for him.
Because of her relative slender build and the way he could maneuver around those bigger guys to get rebounds or taps leading to rebounds, his nickname fit. He was relentless. I could see why guys playing against him would get frustrated/annoyed. Basketball was truly a means to an end for him - the end being able to have a good time whenever and wherever he wanted.
I don't know ... I think that she can pull her TO numbers down to about mid 3s per game. I think that part of the issue why here numbers were what they were in the college game is because she felt pressure to be such a huge focal point of the O. With a surrounding cast of maestras like Kelsey and Aliyah ... and with Lexie being a catch-and-shoot assassin ... I don't think that Caitlin has to force things so much in the pro-game.
Just because someone is a dick doesn’t mean everything they say is wrong.
For me, I think of Caitlin as the central nervous system of the team. She has the ball almost all of the time, and makes almost all of the decisions. She’s going to eff up, but more often than not, do brilliant things. You just take the good with the bad.
If you watch the historical trail of many of Geno's players ... Taurasi, Stewy, Collier, etc ... those are some darn fine players ... with very well-rounded games. That's not the product of bad coaching.
Agreed.
In simpler terms, she’s the straw that stirs the drink.
He never said Geno was a bad coach…he just meant he was the best of a pretty average group (and he’s not wrong). The best coach in the WNBA (for example) isn’t better than the coaches in the NBA regardless of how much success they have.
Generally, I would say that coaches in the college game are likely better than in the pro-game ... it's a different skill-set though. In the college game, there is more teaching involved.
The only thing I would disagree with is your use of the word inertia. Inertia is the opposite of momentum, and would be what Fran had to overcome after the Lickliter Abyss.
He did score 6,683 points in the NBA, for 7.3 per game. Not prolific but opportunistic.
Huggins was coaching against coaches like Coach K, Dean Smith, Calipari, Pitino, and on and on…Geno was not….that’s my evidence. As Herky posted, there were hardly any schools that cared about women’s basketball so they certainly weren’t paying big dollars to get top notch coaches. Geno was the best of a weak group…and he’s not even that anymore.
What are you talking about? Back in the day ... Geno would regularly have UConn scheduled against the likes of Tennessee and Texas ... each having hall-of-fame coaches, Pat Summit and Jody Conradt. UConn also used to regularly play Rutgers ... facing against the very near and dear former Hawkeye coach, Vivian Stringer.
He had to, the Big East/AAC provides no competition except for the occasional year Notre Dame rose up. UConn has lost 21 conference games since 1994, and 7 of those were in 2004-2006. They were in the AAC for 7 years and didn't lose a game in conference playing the powerhouses of S FL, Tulsa, Temple, E Carolina, Tulane, Memphis, UCF, Cincinnati, SMU and Houston.
This is such a fun sentiment, also being expressed by Geno, AirSwoopes, McNutt, etc etc etc, which is essentially.... look at all these CC fans who are stupid and ignorant about women's basketball because they haven't followed women's basketball all their lives.
100%. It's like he's been the king of his little WBB bubble and now seems to feel threatened with all of the exposure and growth and rise in popularity, none of which is shining on him, so he tries to remind everybody that this is his little kingdom and if you're new to the sport and don't recognize that then you're stupid and disrespectful.
Back in the day there weren’t many schools that cared, which vaulted some coaches higher than they would have been in a more competitive sport…then they get put in the HOF and you use that to justify your argument. I don’t have a ton of respect for the women’s game in the past because I have knowledge of the game…i used to coach girl’s basketball back in the day.
The ROY vote perfectly symbolizes the season. The "why" is obvious
Chicago Sports Network’s (the new network replacing NBCSN Chicago) nightly show had on the Sky beat writer from the Sun-Times, who blasted that vote and advocated for public ballots going forward.
Like most other things, the WNBA mismanages this as well. Ballots should be public.
24 local market voters +43 National voters = 67 total voters
Yeah, I just realized that you were saying the same thing I was. Maybe I should read closer next time! Duh
