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ROY - WNBA

This debate, if it is even worthy of being called a debate, has become tedious. If it's that important to some that Angel Reese be considered in the same light as Caitlin and she therefore she deserves to be ROY (even co-ROY), then do it. Just give it to Angel Reese. Caitlin would congratulate her, say what a great competitor she is, and move on. It won't define Caitlin one way or the other. It won't change the minds of people either. No one will say, I thought it was Caitlin, but I guess Angel Reese is the best rookie this year because she won the award that says she is.

Dumb take. Caitlin deserves it. This isn’t some participation award and the WNBA should not be rewarding delusional aggrieved racist complainers with awards that aren’t legitimately earned.


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This debate, if it is even worthy of being called a debate, has become tedious. If it's that important to some that Angel Reese be considered in the same light as Caitlin and she therefore she deserves to be ROY (even co-ROY), then do it. Just give it to Angel Reese. Caitlin would congratulate her, say what a great competitor she is, and move on. It won't define Caitlin one way or the other. It won't change the minds of people either. No one will say, I thought it was Caitlin, but I guess Angel Reese is the best rookie this year because she won the award that says she is.
Then they should call it the DEI Rookie of the Year award.
 
Dumb take. Caitlin deserves it. This isn’t some participation award and the WNBA should not be rewarding delusional aggrieved racist complainers with awards that aren’t legitimately earned.


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Of course she deserves it. That was the subtext of my post, and no other recipient of the award will change my mind.

With that, I believe Caitlin will win, handily. But if she doesn't, it won't change what people think. And it won't define her. If anything, it will inspire her. All the while with a smile on her face. We could all take that lesson from a 22 year old young woman.
 
This debate, if it is even worthy of being called a debate, has become tedious. If it's that important to some that Angel Reese be considered in the same light as Caitlin and she therefore she deserves to be ROY (even co-ROY), then do it. Just give it to Angel Reese. Caitlin would congratulate her, say what a great competitor she is, and move on. It won't define Caitlin one way or the other. It won't change the minds of people either. No one will say, I thought it was Caitlin, but I guess Angel Reese is the best rookie this year because she won the award that says she is.
Where does that stop. Should they start giving Chicago wins too?
 
At this point last season the Sky were 12-20. This season they're 11-21.

At this point last season the Fever were 9-24. This season they're 17-16.

I'm just using the rationale that Reese's supporters used earlier in the season for justifying her as RoY.
For sure. Where is that one woman now who wrote that article that she was supporting Reese because she made her team better?

Crickets.
 
Geno Auriemma:
"If you're a great college player like Caitlin was, the delusional fan base that follows her disrespected the WNBA players by saying that she's gonna go in that league and tear it apart. ... These people are so disrespectful and so unknowledgeable and so stupid that it gives women's basketball a bad name... She's just not built for the physicality of this league, and she's not quick enough to get away from the physicality."

Rookie Caitlin Clark:
 
Geno Auriemma:
"If you're a great college player like Caitlin was, the delusional fan base that follows her disrespected the WNBA players by saying that she's gonna go in that league and tear it apart. ... These people are so disrespectful and so unknowledgeable and so stupid that it gives women's basketball a bad name... She's just not built for the physicality of this league, and she's not quick enough to get away from the physicality."
Geno was just rationalizing why he didn't actively recruit her. The only disrespect going around was Geno disrespecting Caitlin (again).
 
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He said basically the same thing about Paige
But he's probably right about Paige. She is a great talent, but from what I've seen she doesn't have the "it factor" to come in and completely change a team, let alone potentially change the league. She is a well polished cog in a gear, when she's not injured. Much like most of the UConn players who've come into the WNBA over the decades. She will fit in well on a team and play within their offense. But she isn't a turbocharger completely changing performance like Clark has been.

As for Paige, a lot of people are hoping she goes to the Sparks to pair up with Brink and Jackson. I'd rather she go to her own team to see if she what she can build on her own. The NBA was more entertaining when almost every team had their own superstar with maybe another all-star caliber teammate, not the super teams that exist today. It led to more parity compared to the WNBA where the eighth seed is currently 11-22 and a team that is 9-24 isn't eliminated yet.
 
But he's probably right about Paige. She is a great talent, but from what I've seen she doesn't have the "it factor" to come in and completely change a team, let alone potentially change the league. She is a well polished cog in a gear, when she's not injured. Much like most of the UConn players who've come into the WNBA over the decades. She will fit in well on a team and play within their offense. But she isn't a turbocharger completely changing performance like Clark has been.

As for Paige, a lot of people are hoping she goes to the Sparks to pair up with Brink and Jackson. I'd rather she go to her own team to see if she what she can build on her own. The NBA was more entertaining when almost every team had their own superstar with maybe another all-star caliber teammate, not the super teams that exist today. It led to more parity compared to the WNBA where the eighth seed is currently 11-22 and a team that is 9-24 isn't eliminated yet.
Add injury prone.
 
The NBA was more entertaining when almost every team had their own superstar with maybe another all-star caliber teammate, not the super teams that exist today. It led to more parity compared to the WNBA where the eighth seed is currently 11-22 and a team that is 9-24 isn't eliminated yet.


The NBA super teams have existed since the beginning of the NBA. The Minneapolis Lakers had 5 Hall of Famers on their early teams.

It has happened where one player willed a team to a Championship, but what LeBron did in Cleveland is rare to find.

Not sure how you think Paige could go to a team and build it up herself…hell it took the Aces a few years to turn three straight number one picks of (probably) future Hall of Famers, a new coach, and adding two other All Stars, to become a champion.
 
Geno's was just rationalizing why he didn't actively recruit her. The only disrespect going around was Geno disrespecting Caitlin (again).

Also still butthurt about the moving screen in the Final Four.

He handled that poorly and have thought of him as a sore loser ever since.

Just a guy not used to things not going his way. Arrogance.
 
The NBA super teams have existed since the beginning of the NBA. The Minneapolis Lakers had 5 Hall of Famers on their early teams.

It has happened where one player willed a team to a Championship, but what LeBron did in Cleveland is rare to find.

Not sure how you think Paige could go to a team and build it up herself…hell it took the Aces a few years to turn three straight number one picks of (probably) future Hall of Famers, a new coach, and adding two other All Stars, to become a champion.
I'm not saying she can't be with other talent and I'm not saying she needs to build it herself, I just wish the top-level talent would be more spread. From the nature of the WNBA there is going to be some concentrations of talent considering how small the league is. But considering that almost our entire olympic team(not going to get started on that topic) came from three different WNBA teams, it isn't currently spread around well.

In 2028 the olympic team is probably going to have CC, Brink, Paige, and Reese on it for current or soon to be rookies. Add to that Wilson, Ionescu, Collier, and Stewart as shoe-ins. That means 3/4 of the roster will come from at least 6 different teams currently with the other four spots potentially representing additional teams, which would be a step in the right direction of spreading talent.
 
In 2028 the olympic team is probably going to have CC, Brink, Paige, and Reese on it for current or soon to be rookies. Add to that Wilson, Ionescu, Collier, and Stewart as shoe-ins. That means 3/4 of the roster will come from at least 6 different teams currently with the other four spots potentially representing additional teams, which would be a step in the right direction of spreading talent.

And how do you not know that those veteran players will not choose to go and play on teams with each other?

Teams like Vegas will always be able to attract players because of the inherent advantage that you will make considerably more money in Vegas than you will in New York and many other cities.
 
Teams like Vegas will always be able to attract players because of the inherent advantage that you will make considerably more money in Vegas than you will in New York and many other cities.
Explain. There is a salary cap.
 
Explain. There is a salary cap.

No state income tax….so half your games you are not paying that. Granted that is only 5 grand or so compared to New York.

For the bigger players….it could be as much as half a million difference in the bank account from less taxes paid on endorsements.
 
No state income tax….so half your games you are not paying that. Granted that is only 5 grand or so compared to New York.

For the bigger players….it could be as much as half a million difference in the bank account from less taxes paid on endorsements.
Laughable Derp. Salary means nothing. It's all about eyes and all the eyes are on CC and her teammates. You can't be serious
 
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No state income tax….so half your games you are not paying that. Granted that is only 5 grand or so compared to New York.

For the bigger players….it could be as much as half a million difference in the bank account from less taxes paid on endorsements.
I would think much bigger factors would be cost of living and endorsement opportunities. Indy would have the lowest cost of living, and now with Caitlin, the best endorsement opportunities.
 
I would think much bigger factors would be cost of living and endorsement opportunities. Indy would have the lowest cost of living, and now with Caitlin, the best endorsement opportunities.


You think cost of living in Indy is a few hundred thousand per year cheaper than Vegas?

Not to mention….just how expensive is cost of living when it is provided for you?

I have friends that live in the same apartment complex as the Aces players live…not that expensive, and they don’t pay anyway….couple thousand a month.

But yes…literally no endorsement opportunities in Las Vegas. It is not like the last player on the bench got 100 grand recently just for existing.

I also was not talking about Caitlin, not that it matters, you think Nike is dropping her if she plays in Las Vegas? The one city that sells out it’s WNBA games with out her?

I will never say it is the only factor…but promise ya, tax rates play a large role in where players decide to play. Why do you think most Canadian teams cannot keep players, and why it is so hard for them to consistently sign free agents?

I never said that Vegas gets everyone..,, but with players only getting a couple hundred thousand in salary…a team that gives you more take home in your salary, plus the amount of built in endorsements Vegas provides…it will be attractive to many veterans.

Not to mention, the damn pool in the apartment complex has theater screens to chill and watch movies from. Granted, outside of hanging out at Walmart…not much else going on in Vegas that would make it an attractive city to live in.

A couple years ago we got a new boss…she was looking around Cali for a place to live…I laughed and said point blank to her, no way you do not live in Vegas….nobody is going to voluntarily give away a couple hundred thousand a year in taxes when you don’t have to. Few weeks later…she bought a house in Vegas for a couple million less than what it would have cost in Cali…and saved all those taxes.
 
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