IMO those three alll improved going into sophomore season and then took another leap the next year. I'm just afraid Williams didn't improve from freshman to sophomore and if he stays we'll see the same thing next year
Rumor: Williams to Transfer
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BS! You were probably one of the players calling for Clemmons or Basabe to transfer. Their statistics and minutes went DOWN their sophomore year
Ur minutes can go down but you improve. Other people can get better u know. If JoBo wasn't that good right away we wouldn't have sniffed 10th place in BIG because Williams is that bad
Basabe and Clemmons were WORSE their sophomore years than their freshman years, and any Iowa fan who watched the games knows it. Clemmons himself admitted he got lazy. Basabe was considered a disappointment after his incredibly promising freshman year because he took such a big step backwards.
There is exactly 0 difference between Williams and either Basabe or AC. Will he improve his junior year like those two? TBD
That's right. You probably had Marble transferring during his sophomore year too, and wanted Gesell on the bench.
Anyone who thinks Basabe and Clemons improved their soph years is high. And I think they'd probably say the same thing.
Yes, but a large percentage of those were off a high ball screen. He shot allot off isos too, he just shot allot in general because the whole offense revolved around getting him open.
Did you notice how many times he got tangled up and was not able to get free?
I dont think he was great at getting open off screens, hes good at the catching and shooting part.
Having one guy run around off screens isnt a style most teams use anymore so there aren't allot of guys who are good at it.
Maybe im being too picky but I just dont think hes fast enough or has the stamina to get open consistently off screens.
You have to run twice as much if not more as you normally would in a game to really make it work like a Kyle Korver.
I would imagine that kids want to play and if they can't get the minutes where they are, they will go where they can. That is not a bad thing and has nothing to do with being a role player or a starter. They want meaningful minutes and who can blame them? Not me.
Gesell was a really good player.....Iowa fans tend to pick out a whipping boy and he sure was one. Won a lot of games with him at the point
This is not true. The scholarship can be provided by the baseball program, or whatever other program the student-athlete participates in. The caveat is that the football or basketball program would have to count him against their limit as well.
I guess this is correct but in this case as in most of these type doesn't solve the "no more scholarships available" issue.
He was ok...really good might be a stretch. He was definitely missed defensively this year however.
Ran the offense really well....A/TO was 4-1 for career. Finished his Iowa career 9th all time in B10 for assist %. Iowa was definitely better with him on the floor. His and Woody's defense were the things that were going to be missed that people mainly disregard. The kid was a stud on and off the floor.
So, the latest info is that Williams is NOT looking to move on.....that per Tom Kakert. Hopefully I'm not sharing content I'm not supposed to share.
Yes Gatens was pretty good at it by his senior year. He had to get in great shape first.
Tom posted on the paid side that he talked to CWs AAU coach....who had taken a call from CW telling him it was not true and asking what he should do about it. He was told to call the Iowa coaches and tell them it was BS, that he did not start it, etc. Apparently that was done. CW reportedly was very concerned that the Iowa coaches would not be happy about...worried, stressed out over a false rumor.
^^^ THIS! ^^^
Edit: cocoem is referring to Mike Gesell (as I see he's not referenced by name in this particular post)
Christian's value as a Hawkeye just went up in my eyes. And I didn't think I could think more of the kid. While some fans, (and don't ya git tired of ma Naggin'?), see a kid like Williams or anybody else as, "What can you do on the court", I think sometimes we miss the backstory. The loyalty Christian had to St. Teresa and his friends there...to the coaches. Frankly I've been more afraid he'd transfer because he missed home more than because of playing time.
I will admit I missed (so far) on my evaluation of him as an up and coming super-stud. Maybe it's the back, maybe it's still on the way, maybe it will never happen. But I like this kid. And the thing about calling for advice and being worried about how the rumor might stress out the Iowa coaches? That's cool.
I tell you if even just one game ever happens where due to injury or foul trouble Williams comes in and gives us the boost to beat somebody else (actually the Indiana game at Carver he gave us just such an effort)........so if even ONE MORE game ever happens....Oh hell, I just root for this kid. Whether he ends up being in the second unit or even ends up a bit behind that, I don't care. Glad to have him as a Hawkeye.
Some can say he stalls the offense, or can't shoot...but I would just love it if he continues to develop and one day puts a finger to his lips and says, "Shut yer mouth!"
In light of that information, please delete this thread and I'll eat my words on it. Wouldn't have posted it if Brown hadn't retweeted it but sorry for this thread.
I don't hold you responsible StormHawk42 and I appreciate this post you made....hell I might have done the same thing having seen it referred to elsewhere. This rumor also fit what a lot of us have been anticipating or suspecting would happen.
I did think it was important to post what Tom had reported to knock this down when we had some credible report that the transfer info was wrong.
I think you over read my comment, perhaps my fault for not breaking it down in two paragraphs. For the record, I'm high as a Deadwood patron on Jordan. I think he is a very good and will become a great point guard for the Hawks.
However, Hawks do very badly need a reserve point guard cuz Jordan cannot go 40 minutes for 35 games. Christian is a terrible offensive player and kills the offense when he's on the floor.
Otherwise, I was merely musing on the benefits of signing another starting quality point guard. The combination of that Player X with Jordan would be enormously hard to defend. It was not intended to minimize Jordan's talent merely a wistful desire for another high quality point guard to use as a double threat.
It was on Twitter which is essentially ubiquitous at this point.
So it doesnt prove much but Im sure players are aware of message boards too. Who knows if they read them, I hope they dont.
From a very reliable source. Woodbury and his parents were very aware of message board garbage. At first it bothered Woody a lot, but he learned to ignore it.
It seems if one doesn't look, well meaning someone's do and let you know what was said. I suppose that's true. You ever try to tape a game and not find out the score before you watch it?
What bothers me just as much is that recruits could be reading the board. I know, this is no way to decide a school. But all else being equal? And I'll bet all things are close to equal more often than we realize.
A $%^ $%^% fan base that treats the guys like family? Let's try it and see what happens.
If true, I would personally feel better if Christian went directly to one of our coaching staff about how to handle the rumor. I appreciate that he eventually went to the coaching staff, but the fact that he went to his AAU Coach 1st just doesn't sound healthy to me.
The thing is, all decent sized fan bases are pretty much going to have the entire gambit of personalities represented on message boards.
If recruits read it, theyre going to see allot of the same stuff everywhere.
And I imagine the bigger the brand the crazier it gets.
True. Let's remember that when we expect 3* guys to make All Big Ten, for Iowa to overcome it's shortcomings, when we post on a message board (and I'm not talking respectfully placed criticism) that we couldn't be better than a mediocre fan base.
The one thing we can do to help the team.....
