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Russia Requests U.S. Assistance To Bomb ISIS Oil Tankers. U.S. Says NO

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Russia Counts 12,000 Turkey-Bound Oil Trucks from Iraq & Syria
Posted on December 25, 2015 by Eric Zuesse.
Requests U.S. Assistance to Bomb Them; U.S. Again Says No.

How the Public Get Suckered by ‘News’ Media Ignoring Reality

Eric Zuesse, originally posted at strategic-culture.org

According to Russian Television on December 25th, Russian intelligence has counted “up to 12,000” tanker trucks filled with oil “on the Turkish-Iraqi border,” and “the final destination remains to be Turkey.” In addition, some of those trucks are still heading into Turkey from Syria, but their number is “decreased” because Russia’s Syrian bombing campaign, which started on September 30th, has, ever since they began bombing the oil trucks on November 18th, destroyed “up to 2,000” of those trucks, that were in Syria heading into Turkey.

According to the news report, Russia is requesting help from the U.S. coalition to bomb the “up to 12,000” trucks that are in Iraq carrying ISIS oil into Turkey. ISIS drives them there so that ISIS can become self-sustaining by the oil-sales. ISIS, which had long been supported by America’s allies the Arab oil potentates — all of whom are fundamentalist Sunnis — aims to be self-sustaining now on the sales of this stolen oil through Turkey, which is operating the black market in ISIS’s stolen oil. That’s why Russia wants to stamp out this market. “However, so far, Washington says that it is not ready for such a move,” the report says.


Whereas Russia had begun on November 18th to bomb those trucks en-route into Turkey, and eliminated around 500 of them at that time, the U.S. coalition hadn’t bombed any such trucks until later that day, November 18th, in order to pretend to be competitive with what Russia had been doing since it started on 30 September 2015, to bomb in Syria. Before the U.S. bombed the 116 trucks it destroyed, it warned the drivers 45 minutes in advance.

Here was the shocking admission that was made by the U.S. Defense Department’s press-spokesman at his 18 November 2015 presentation, in which he voluntarily acknowledged that, throughout all of the 14 months during which the U.S. had been bombing in Syria and in Iraq, the U.S. hadn’t previously destroyed any of the tens of thousands of oil tank-trucks that had been transporting ISIS’s stolen oil out from Iraq and from Syria — the stolen-oil sales that bring $2B per year into ISIS coffers — and that the U.S. had warned 45-minutes in advance:

This is our first strike against tanker trucks, and to minimize risks to civilians, we conducted a leaflet drop prior to the strike. We did a show of force, by — we had aircraft essentially buzz the trucks at low altitude.

So, I do have copy of the leaflet, and I have got some videos, so why don’t you pull the leaflet up. Let me take a look at it so I can talk about it.

As you can see, it’s a fairly simple leaflet, it says, “Get out of your trucks now, and run away from them.” A very simple message.

And then, also, “Warning: airstrikes are coming. Oil trucks will be destroyed. Get away from your oil trucks immediately. Do not risk your life.”

And so, these are the leaflets that we dropped — about 45 minutes before the airstrikes actually began. Again, we combine these leaflet drops with very low altitude passes of some of our attack aviation, which sends a very powerful message.

So: not only had the U.S. previously avoided destroying ISIS’s main current source of income (besides the multimillion-dollar donations made by members of the royal families of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, and Kuwait — all of whom are protected by the U.S.) (and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had urged all of them on 30 December 2009 please to stop funding their terrorists), but, when the U.S. now started to bomb those tank-trucks filled with stolen oil, the U.S. warned in advance the drivers, who were also assets to the jihadist cause the U.S. pretended to oppose, and thus were enemies of the public (and were participants in the evils of ISIS). The U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) wanted to protect them — not to kill them. That was done “to minimize risks to civilians.” Wow!! After the U.S. history of slaughtering millions of civilians in wars, and torturing many, including complete innocents in Iraq and elsewhere, we’re now protecting ISIS’s drivers? Can any hypocrisy exceed this? If the United States were a democracy, its press would have been focusing on this issue for a week. The U.S. protecting ISIS’s financial base, and assets, has mind-boggling implications. On what side are ‘we’ — and who are “we,” and who are “them”? We are not the aristocracy. The aristocracy are them. It includes the top stockholders in firms such as Lockheed Martin. Warren Buffett said in 2006 “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” That’s shocking honesty.

Did any of the major U.S. news media, all of which have reporters attending those press conferences, report the U.S. Government’s open admission there, that the U.S. Government had protected ISIS all along, not bombed any of ISIS’s oil tank-trucks (until Russia did)? Those trucks providing $2B per year to ISIS terrorists? None of them reported it. None of them conveyed to their audience this astounding information — essentially, that the U.S. was protecting the money-flow to the jihadists in Syria, and was even protecting their truckers, and its ‘press’ were protecting them.

Click link for balance of article:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015...y-bound-oil-trucks-iraq-syria.html#more-52785
 
Obama bombs one truck every now and then and claims he's doing something

at least trump claims he will own the oil over there, dunno if he could pull it off but at least he talks a good game
 
The fact that our government has allowed ISIS to freely move oil into Turkey and finance ISIS terror operations is all a thoughtful person needs to know to understand what is really going on.
 
Russia Counts 12,000 Turkey-Bound Oil Trucks from Iraq & Syria
Posted on December 25, 2015 by Eric Zuesse.
Requests U.S. Assistance to Bomb Them; U.S. Again Says No.

How the Public Get Suckered by ‘News’ Media Ignoring Reality

Eric Zuesse, originally posted at strategic-culture.org

According to Russian Television on December 25th, Russian intelligence has counted “up to 12,000” tanker trucks filled with oil “on the Turkish-Iraqi border,” and “the final destination remains to be Turkey.” In addition, some of those trucks are still heading into Turkey from Syria, but their number is “decreased” because Russia’s Syrian bombing campaign, which started on September 30th, has, ever since they began bombing the oil trucks on November 18th, destroyed “up to 2,000” of those trucks, that were in Syria heading into Turkey.

According to the news report, Russia is requesting help from the U.S. coalition to bomb the “up to 12,000” trucks that are in Iraq carrying ISIS oil into Turkey. ISIS drives them there so that ISIS can become self-sustaining by the oil-sales. ISIS, which had long been supported by America’s allies the Arab oil potentates — all of whom are fundamentalist Sunnis — aims to be self-sustaining now on the sales of this stolen oil through Turkey, which is operating the black market in ISIS’s stolen oil. That’s why Russia wants to stamp out this market. “However, so far, Washington says that it is not ready for such a move,” the report says.


Whereas Russia had begun on November 18th to bomb those trucks en-route into Turkey, and eliminated around 500 of them at that time, the U.S. coalition hadn’t bombed any such trucks until later that day, November 18th, in order to pretend to be competitive with what Russia had been doing since it started on 30 September 2015, to bomb in Syria. Before the U.S. bombed the 116 trucks it destroyed, it warned the drivers 45 minutes in advance.

Here was the shocking admission that was made by the U.S. Defense Department’s press-spokesman at his 18 November 2015 presentation, in which he voluntarily acknowledged that, throughout all of the 14 months during which the U.S. had been bombing in Syria and in Iraq, the U.S. hadn’t previously destroyed any of the tens of thousands of oil tank-trucks that had been transporting ISIS’s stolen oil out from Iraq and from Syria — the stolen-oil sales that bring $2B per year into ISIS coffers — and that the U.S. had warned 45-minutes in advance:

This is our first strike against tanker trucks, and to minimize risks to civilians, we conducted a leaflet drop prior to the strike. We did a show of force, by — we had aircraft essentially buzz the trucks at low altitude.

So, I do have copy of the leaflet, and I have got some videos, so why don’t you pull the leaflet up. Let me take a look at it so I can talk about it.

As you can see, it’s a fairly simple leaflet, it says, “Get out of your trucks now, and run away from them.” A very simple message.

And then, also, “Warning: airstrikes are coming. Oil trucks will be destroyed. Get away from your oil trucks immediately. Do not risk your life.”

And so, these are the leaflets that we dropped — about 45 minutes before the airstrikes actually began. Again, we combine these leaflet drops with very low altitude passes of some of our attack aviation, which sends a very powerful message.

So: not only had the U.S. previously avoided destroying ISIS’s main current source of income (besides the multimillion-dollar donations made by members of the royal families of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, and Kuwait — all of whom are protected by the U.S.) (and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had urged all of them on 30 December 2009 please to stop funding their terrorists), but, when the U.S. now started to bomb those tank-trucks filled with stolen oil, the U.S. warned in advance the drivers, who were also assets to the jihadist cause the U.S. pretended to oppose, and thus were enemies of the public (and were participants in the evils of ISIS). The U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) wanted to protect them — not to kill them. That was done “to minimize risks to civilians.” Wow!! After the U.S. history of slaughtering millions of civilians in wars, and torturing many, including complete innocents in Iraq and elsewhere, we’re now protecting ISIS’s drivers? Can any hypocrisy exceed this? If the United States were a democracy, its press would have been focusing on this issue for a week. The U.S. protecting ISIS’s financial base, and assets, has mind-boggling implications. On what side are ‘we’ — and who are “we,” and who are “them”? We are not the aristocracy. The aristocracy are them. It includes the top stockholders in firms such as Lockheed Martin. Warren Buffett said in 2006 “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” That’s shocking honesty.

Did any of the major U.S. news media, all of which have reporters attending those press conferences, report the U.S. Government’s open admission there, that the U.S. Government had protected ISIS all along, not bombed any of ISIS’s oil tank-trucks (until Russia did)? Those trucks providing $2B per year to ISIS terrorists? None of them reported it. None of them conveyed to their audience this astounding information — essentially, that the U.S. was protecting the money-flow to the jihadists in Syria, and was even protecting their truckers, and its ‘press’ were protecting them.

Click link for balance of article:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015...y-bound-oil-trucks-iraq-syria.html#more-52785

Unserious article. Until November our strategy had been to bomb the refineries. This is a strategic decision, not a political one. It's not a question of whether or not to deny ISIS oil profits, but rather is a question of the most effective way to do it.

Also, the drivers of those trucks are civilians just trying to earn a living in an area where the options are limited. We should applaud the military decision to destroy the trucks without killing civilians.

Read a newspaper now and then and get the information unfiltered by faux-rage machinery.
 
This is the biggest reason why liberals don't make good commander in chiefs. You can't wage war on an enemy like isis by warning them before you take action. War is ugly and bloody and unfortunately isis isn't going away without being forced out of power. Obliterating them with overwhelming force is the only real solution here.
 
Unserious article. Until November our strategy had been to bomb the refineries. This is a strategic decision, not a political one. It's not a question of whether or not to deny ISIS oil profits, but rather is a question of the most effective way to do it.

Also, the drivers of those trucks are civilians just trying to earn a living in an area where the options are limited. We should applaud the military decision to destroy the trucks without killing civilians.

Read a newspaper now and then and get the information unfiltered by faux-rage machinery.
And this is what is referred to as an unserious post. Total CRAP. It's very much a political decision as a 'true investigative reporter' from the uncontrolled media will attest. This reporter is not fed his bullet points from the CIA before going on air. Assad and Russia have always been the targets.

Since when has our foreign policy ever shown concern for the welfare of civilians? Have you been in a coma? Clinton placed sanctions on Iraq that killed over 576K children while Monster Madeline Albright said it was worth it.

What you need to do is look for alternative sources for news.
 
Unserious article. Until November our strategy had been to bomb the refineries. This is a strategic decision, not a political one. It's not a question of whether or not to deny ISIS oil profits, but rather is a question of the most effective way to do it.

Also, the drivers of those trucks are civilians just trying to earn a living in an area where the options are limited. We should applaud the military decision to destroy the trucks without killing civilians.

Read a newspaper now and then and get the information unfiltered by faux-rage machinery.

Are you sure about that? The US has bombed a limited number of ISIS controlled refineries but not enough to greatly slow the flow of fuel that funds ISIS. The idea that the drivers of these trucks smuggling the fuel across the boarder are simply civilians is laughable. Do you think that the US isn't capable of stopping ISIS oil transports? If you think that we are capable of doing it but have failed to do so what is the reason for the failure? Lack of trying.
 
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didn't a general in the air force come out about two weeks ago and say we are running out of bombs?
 
This is the biggest reason why liberals don't make good commander in chiefs. You can't wage war on an enemy like isis by warning them before you take action. War is ugly and bloody and unfortunately isis isn't going away without being forced out of power. Obliterating them with overwhelming force is the only real solution here.
Or just quit funding and creating them.
 
didn't a general in the air force come out about two weeks ago and say we are running out of bombs?
Yes. What a wonderful thing for the MIC. Go to Congress and tell them what a dangerous world they created, I mean, dangerous world that we live in. To combat this shortage, buy more weapons from Lockheed Martin et al. The 1%'ers who have interlocking directorships at these corporations are laughing all the way to their Switzerland and Grand Cayman Island bank accounts.
 
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War is ugly and bloody

And good for absolutely nothing.

By stepping up an obliteration approach you are not going to get the rest of the region to comply to an outside force's will. The longer we keep on them the more resisting will be in their culture, and it is already very ingrained.

 
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And good for absolutely nothing.

By stepping up an obliteration approach you are not going to get the rest of the region to comply to an outside force's will. The longer we keep on them the more resisting will be in their culture, and it is already very ingrained.

Yeah stick your head in the sand like our POTUS.That surely will solve the problem.
 
didn't a general in the air force come out about two weeks ago and say we are running out of bombs?

We are running out of "smart" munitions. It would not require smart munitions to take out oil tanker trucks. That could even be effectively done with guns or rockets. The trucks will have to be out in the open at some point and vulnerable without any concern about collateral damage.
 
This is the biggest reason why liberals don't make good commander in chiefs. You can't wage war on an enemy like isis by warning them before you take action. War is ugly and bloody and unfortunately isis isn't going away without being forced out of power. Obliterating them with overwhelming force is the only real solution here.
So you are calling for mass scale killing of every muslim? Because (to bring it down to the level you think in) if you don't get them all they will come back to revenge the actions of the US. Which is how we got to the place we are in now.
 
And this is what is referred to as an unserious post. Total CRAP. It's very much a political decision as a 'true investigative reporter' from the uncontrolled media will attest. This reporter is not fed his bullet points from the CIA before going on air. Assad and Russia have always been the targets.

Since when has our foreign policy ever shown concern for the welfare of civilians? Have you been in a coma? Clinton placed sanctions on Iraq that killed over 576K children while Monster Madeline Albright said it was worth it.

What you need to do is look for alternative sources for news.

You mean the sanctions that the bush43 admin lauded for keeping wmd's out of Saddam's hands? Those sanctions?

Or do you think Saddam SHOULD have been allowed to develop wmd's?
 
This is the biggest reason why liberals don't make good commander in chiefs. You can't wage war on an enemy like isis by warning them before you take action. War is ugly and bloody and unfortunately isis isn't going away without being forced out of power. Obliterating them with overwhelming force is the only real solution here.

Just exactly what do you think was the cost of the warning? You think the trucks took evasive action? Serpentine!!! Or maybe they turned on their cloaking devices?

This is the biggest reason why many cons make poor CnC's...they're just not too smart.
 
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You mean the sanctions that the bush43 admin lauded for keeping wmd's out of Saddam's hands? Those sanctions?

Or do you think Saddam SHOULD have been allowed to develop wmd's?
And the blind-faith partisan replies. Thank you, Mr. Helper! Not sure exactly what your bogus beef is. You validated in your post that mine was correct when you mentioned Bush lauded it. I loathe the war criminals, Bush 1 & 2. But, to the point, I meant these sanctions:



And Bill Richardson:



Do you want to get into another thread where we know Bush was telling known lies at the time he was selling to America the need for war? Same goes for Bush the elder. All lies.
 
Just exactly what do you think was the cost of the warning? You think the trucks took evasive action? Serpentine!!! Or maybe they turned on their cloaking devices?

This is the biggest reason why many cons make poor CnC's...they're just not too smart.
Don't be obtuse. Anyone who thinks elected officials are actually calling the shots is a putz. There has always been a power behind the throne. The policy NEVER changes, R or D, it doesn't matter.
 
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Explain to me how to effectively beat ISIS. Anyone.

Because I'm pretty sure it's easy to explain why it won't work.
 
Explain to me how to effectively beat ISIS. Anyone.

Because I'm pretty sure it's easy to explain why it won't work.
These people are absolutely sick of foreigners coming into their country and wiping out whole cities and villages. They're tired of pulling out the body parts of their parents and children a 100 yards away from their heads. They're tired of some 'heroic' schmuck in a New Mexico basement sending drones on wedding parties. Would you take up arms against China if they bombed your family in the U.S.? I hope so. Quit interfering in the affairs of other nations. Quit installing our puppets.

Every intervention over there has been a flipping LIE. Stay the hell out. It's a documentable fact that Washington has created these terrorist organizations. They need an enemy to justify their existence over there. These terrorists cannot fight w/o the weapons D.C. supplies. The U.S. dominates the weapons industry. We could defund there allies.
 
When the writers of these imflamable distortion pieces in the OP ever worry that at least some of their readers are capable of rational thinking...or even possesing the math skills required to determine this article is a complete fabrication? 12,000 trucks on the road to Turkey :rolleyes:
 
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So you are calling for mass scale killing of every muslim? Because (to bring it down to the level you think in) if you don't get them all they will come back to revenge the actions of the US. Which is how we got to the place we are in now.
Where in the hell did you get that from my post? If you're going to jump to that conclusion as soon as someone suggests stepping up the level of force vs isis, you're not thinking rationally on the subject.
 
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Just exactly what do you think was the cost of the warning? You think the trucks took evasive action? Serpentine!!! Or maybe they turned on their cloaking devices?

This is the biggest reason why many cons make poor CnC's...they're just not too smart.
The cost is 12000 trucks making it into Turkey to help fund isis.
The leaflet warning to isis members running oil is just one example of trying to fight a civilized war vs a non civilized enemy. And if you think dropping leaflets before we bomb them is going to make them like us, you're a bigger idiot than I thought.
 
I think it should be required that ANYONE who is a proponent for lethal action- be it boots or bombs- should have to be the ones in the boots and dropping the bombs. And, you have to dodge the bombs, too.

I watched American Sniper. I realize that film doesn't depict exactly what it was like over there. It was much worse. It confirmed what I already knew for certain- American foreign policy of invasion, sanctions, bombing, occupation, propping-up dictators, toppling others, forcing our own military to be killed, maimed and traumatized- is going to lead to more and more acts of terror AGAINST US and the strength and resolve of the terrorists will grow exponentially. The resistance these people possess can never be obliterated. And, you help create the most savage conditions, behaviors, and set the bar even higher for heinous acts of humans toward other humans.

Sometimes I think the planet and/or Nature, is desperately trying to rid itself of the surface nuisance called "People."
 
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The cost is 12000 trucks making it into Turkey to help fund isis.
The leaflet warning to isis members running oil is just one example of trying to fight a civilized war vs a non civilized enemy. And if you think dropping leaflets before we bomb them is going to make them like us, you're a bigger idiot than I thought.


STOP! Think this through. Do you really believe that Russian intelligence spotted 12,000 oil trucks headed to Turkey? 12, 000? Really. Its just another internet hoax.
 
When the writers of these imflamable distortion pieces in the OP ever worry that at least some of their readers are capable of rational thinking...or even possesing the math skills required to determine this article is a complete fabrication? 12,000 trucks on the road to Turkey :rolleyes:
I see that as just a # and irrelevant to the point. However, the author is quoting Russia Today and cites the source. Russia, like any government is not to be trusted. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. It doesn't change the central fact. Nor, have you proven it to be a lie. Just an assertion.

Russian intelligence has spotted up to 12,000 tankers and trucks on the Turkish-Iraqi border, the General Staff of Russia’s armed forces has reported.
“The [aerial] imagery was made in the vicinity of Zakho (a city in Iraqi Kurdistan), there were 11,775 tankers and trucks on both sides of the Turkish-Iraqi border,” Lieutenant-General Sergey Rudskoy told journalists on Friday.
 
I see that as just a # and irrelevant to the point. However, the author is quoting Russia Today and cites the source. Russia, like any government is not to be trusted. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. It doesn't change the central fact. Nor, have you proven it to be a lie. Just an assertion.

Russian intelligence has spotted up to 12,000 tankers and trucks on the Turkish-Iraqi border, the General Staff of Russia’s armed forces has reported.
“The [aerial] imagery was made in the vicinity of Zakho (a city in Iraqi Kurdistan), there were 11,775 tankers and trucks on both sides of the Turkish-Iraqi border,” Lieutenant-General Sergey Rudskoy told journalists on Friday.

So, you are going to acceot Russia Today & Russian Times as a real source? You also understand that same Russian General quoted above was the source of all of the Ukraine mis-information, right?
 
STOP! Think this through. Do you really believe that Russian intelligence spotted 12,000 oil trucks headed to Turkey? 12, 000? Really. Its just another internet hoax.
Is it really an internet hoax when the author provides the Dept. of Defense transcript?
 
So, you are going to acceot Russia Today & Russian Times as a real source? You also understand that same Russian General quoted above was the source of all of the Ukraine mis-information, right?
Do you really want to go there? The Old Grey Whore aka The NYT and WaPo and WSJ are all compliant and complicit LIARS spewing propaganda like the geysers at Old Faithful...and just as timely.

Ukraine was a blatant coup de tat orchestrated by D.C. You would never know that by our media though.
 
So, you are going to acceot Russia Today & Russian Times as a real source? You also understand that same Russian General quoted above was the source of all of the Ukraine mis-information, right?
Washington overthrew the democratically elected Yanokovych and installed their puppet, Yats. Where was that reported? Then our government invited with open arms and open wallets and threw billions at him. So much for our support of democracies.
 
Is it really an internet hoax when the author provides the Dept. of Defense transcript?

Wher in that transcript does the State Department spokesman mention 12,000 oil tanker trucks? Its a friggin exageration/hoax. You have fallen victim to Russian propaganda...you do realize that Putin is playing two games at once, don't you?
 
Wher in that transcript does the State Department spokesman mention 12,000 oil tanker trucks? Its a friggin exageration/hoax. You have fallen victim to Russian propaganda...you do realize that Putin is playing two games at once, don't you?
Is that what I said? This is the 2nd time you have tried putting words in my mouth. The 1st time was when I said Russia, like any government, is not to be trusted. Then you tried telling me that I am accepting Russia Today as a real source. You are the one throwing the whole article to the curb over a number you have not proven to be false.

The DoD transcript provided proves what has been going on is not a hoax, as you have claimed. I never said it supported the 12K #. Move on. You have not proven otherwise. The fact is, the U.S. is not going after the lifeline of ISIS revenue.
 
Wher in that transcript does the State Department spokesman mention 12,000 oil tanker trucks? Its a friggin exageration/hoax. You have fallen victim to Russian propaganda...you do realize that Putin is playing two games at once, don't you?
Show me the map of that other game Putin is playing with NATO troops surrounding Russia and the MSM portraying Putin as an aggressor. That one is hilarious. You've been P.T. Barnum'd.
 
STOP! Think this through. Do you really believe that Russian intelligence spotted 12,000 oil trucks headed to Turkey? 12, 000? Really. Its just another internet hoax.
What difference does it make if it's 12000 or 1200? The fact is we control the airspace above Iraq yet we are allowing isis to run oil to fund it's organization. We could easily put a end to it.
 
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Unserious article. Until November our strategy had been to bomb the refineries. This is a strategic decision, not a political one. It's not a question of whether or not to deny ISIS oil profits, but rather is a question of the most effective way to do it.

Also, the drivers of those trucks are civilians just trying to earn a living in an area where the options are limited. We should applaud the military decision to destroy the trucks without killing civilians.

Read a newspaper now and then and get the information unfiltered by faux-rage machinery.


Any person driving an oil truck for ISIS is not an innocent civilian and they should be destroyed along with the trucks. If they're in an ISIS truck, they're ISIS.
 
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