Russian Invasion YESTERDAY! - How Did It Go?
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More countries? Where was the 1st? That's pretty funny as you sit anxiously waiting for this non-invasion. Biden has been balls deep involved in the genocide of Yemen, arming those monarchal bastions of human rights, the KSA and UAE. Your silence is violence.
You're also silent regarding Kiev shelling its own citizens in Donbass (a genocide)... for 8 years. Also, Poroshenko the Chocolate king was an oligarch installed by us. This is an old art form of ours.
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Johns Hopkins, huh? You would think you'd be able to come up with new material.
Next time you go down on your wife, let me know how my cock tastes.
Would we be talking about this today if the NS2 was allowed to be completed at the end of '19 as planned before Washington's sanctions delayed the project? Consumers be damned.
I would love to believe Washington resisted NS2 as an effort to curb global warming. Sadly, that isn't even remotely likely.
All the other reasons smell pretty bad.
Luke Harding?
He's a complete whackadoodle. Employed by MI-6 like Bellingcat, would be my guess. Here's an edited version of the evasive, talk in circles Harding getting torn to shreds. Mate just listens and watches him hang himself.
Agreed. Trump talked about depriving Moscow of revenue by preventing it. Thought it was owed to US LNG producers to ship LNG from 8K miles away (no harm to the environment there) at a 30% higher cost. Not to mention the re-gasification process once it hits shore...damaging. France is 74% nuke and has plans for another 13 sites. Natgas is cleaner than coal, which Berlin is committed to running from.
A White House official has just confirmed earlier reports that US president Joe Biden will host a call on Friday with Nato allies to discuss the Ukraine crisis.
In a statement, the official said:
The Guardian
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3 companies of T-80 tanks coming out of Tamarovka train station and turning west towards Ukraine, 26km from the border, uploaded 13 hours ago so likely from Wednesday night. Location: 50°40'24"N 36°14'14"E
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IgorGirkin
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In a statement, the official said:
The Guardian
Biden to host call with Nato allies as invasion fears grow – as it happened
US president says threat of Russian invasion ‘very high’, after Ukraine government source says shelling ‘looks like provocation’
3 companies of T-80 tanks coming out of Tamarovka train station and turning west towards Ukraine, 26km from the border, uploaded 13 hours ago so likely from Wednesday night. Location: 50°40'24"N 36°14'14"E
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IgorGirkin
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The playbook works, no doubt about it:
Salon.com
U.K. Parliament report details how NATO's 2011 war in Libya was based on lies
British investigation: Gaddafi was not going to massacre civilians; Western bombing made Islamist extremism worse
A new report by the British Parliament shows that the 2011 NATO war in Libya was based on an array of lies."Libya: Examination of intervention and collapse and the UK’s future policy options," an investigation by the House of Commons' bipartisan Foreign Affairs Committee, strongly condemns the U.K.'s role in the war, which toppled the government of Libya's leader Muammar Qaddafi and plunged the North African country into chaos.
"We have seen no evidence that the UK Government carried out a proper analysis of the nature of the rebellion in Libya," the report states. "UK strategy was founded on erroneous assumptions and an incomplete understanding of the evidence."
The Foreign Affairs Committee concludes that the British government "failed to identify that the threat to civilians was overstated and that the rebels included a significant Islamist element."
The Libya inquiry, which was launched in July 2015, is based on more than a year of research and interviews with politicians, academics, journalists and more. The report, which was released on Sept. 14, reveals the following:
- Qaddafi was not planning to massacre civilians. This myth was exaggerated by rebels and Western governments, which based their intervention on little intelligence.
- The threat of Islamist extremists, which had a large influence in the uprising, was ignored — and the NATO bombing made this threat even worse, giving ISIS a base in North Africa.
- France, which initiated the military intervention, was motivated by economic and political interests, not humanitarian ones.
- The uprising — which was violent, not peaceful — would likely not have been successful were it not for foreign military intervention and aid. Foreign media outlets, particularly Qatar's Al Jazeera and Saudi Arabia's Al Arabiya, also spread unsubstantiated rumors about Qaddafi and the Libyan government.
- The NATO bombing plunged Libya into a humanitarian disaster, killing thousands of people and displacing hundreds of thousands more, transforming Libya from the African country with the highest standard of living into a war-torn failed state.
Why did US bomb Libya in 1986?
On April 14, 1986, the United States launches air strikes against Libya in retaliation for the Libyan sponsorship of terrorism against American troops and citizens. ... In December 1985, five American citizens were killed in simultaneous terrorist attacks at the Rome and Vienna airports.
Was Gaddafi responsible for Lockerbie?
The Lockerbie investigators were initially following these leads; then they shifted their focus to Libya. In 2003, Gaddafi accepted responsibility for the bombing — though he denied ordering it — and paid compensation to the victims' families, in accordance with UN demands for the lifting of sanctions on his country.Nov 26, 2020
On April 14, 1986, the United States launches air strikes against Libya in retaliation for the Libyan sponsorship of terrorism against American troops and citizens. ... In December 1985, five American citizens were killed in simultaneous terrorist attacks at the Rome and Vienna airports.
Was Gaddafi responsible for Lockerbie?
The Lockerbie investigators were initially following these leads; then they shifted their focus to Libya. In 2003, Gaddafi accepted responsibility for the bombing — though he denied ordering it — and paid compensation to the victims' families, in accordance with UN demands for the lifting of sanctions on his country.Nov 26, 2020
On the other hand, military exercises are never open ended - when will they take their 149,000 troops (latest estimate) and fleets back to Russian soil and waters?
(Corrected new troop level.)
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Nolan Peterson
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Today in Kyiv: More Ukrainian civilians receive military training … and more foreigners have arrived here to train them.
Pursuing deterrence and diplomacy by showering Kiev with $2.7B in weapons? Sounds like escalation to me.A White House official has just confirmed earlier reports that US president Joe Biden will host a call on Friday with Nato allies to discuss the Ukraine crisis.
In a statement, the official said:
The Guardian
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Biden to host call with Nato allies as invasion fears grow – as it happened
US president says threat of Russian invasion ‘very high’, after Ukraine government source says shelling ‘looks like provocation’
3 companies of T-80 tanks coming out of Tamarovka train station and turning west towards Ukraine, 26km from the border, uploaded 13 hours ago so likely from Wednesday night. Location: 50°40'24"N 36°14'14"E
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IgorGirkin
@GirkinGirkin
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Weapons are the only deterrence Putin understands.
Also -
"At the same time, NATO must be ready to respond quickly to developments on our eastern flank. NATO has therefore increased the readiness of the NATO Response Force. This means that the readiness of parts of our armed forces will also be increased."
Why do liars like you keep repeating lies? I countered your love already. The EU investigated and concluded that Georgia started that conflict at Washington's green light and paid dearly.
Now go back to 2/90 and explain to me where NATO violated the agreement to not move 1 inch east of Germany. Escalation.
Scary news if accurate - Russia appears to be clearing a future battlefield.
The New Voice of Ukraine
@NewVoiceUkraine
The "DNR" Russian puppet authority announced that they are organizing a centralized evacuation of the population of Russian-occupied territory to Russia. According to DNR "head" Pushilin,
@ZelenskyyUa
will soon allegedly order Ukrainian troops on an offensive against the Donbas.
One "myth" in particular kicked off a furious debate in e-mail threads, chat rooms, listservs, and on Twitter: "Russia was promised that NATO would not enlarge."
"The U.S.S.R. was never offered a formal guarantee on the limits of NATO expansion post-1990," John Lough, the research associate who authored the section, wrote. "Moscow merely distorts history to help preserve an anti-Western consensus at home."
Nikolai Sokov, a former Russian diplomat who served in the Foreign Ministry in Moscow between 1987 and 1992, disagrees. "The Chatham House piece is very bad -- it sounds to be as a piece produced by the Ideology Department of the Central Committee" of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, he told RFE/RL.
"We didn't have to come to this, though, and the issue could have remained a small script in history that does not need to be resolved," he said. "It is more about the manner of NATO enlargement and the arguments used to promote enlargement."
"We are still debating it because the proponents of enlargement believe they acted honorably and helped millions of people who had been under Soviet domination achieve their freedom," said Jim Goldgeier, who served on the National Security Council under President Bill Clinton in the 1990s.
"The Russian narrative is the West deceived them and acted in a way that left them out of post-Cold War Europe. It's just very hard to bridge these positions, and emotions do run high, given that the hopes 30 years ago of Russia being part of Europe didn't materialize," Goldgeier told RFE/RL. "So there are those who want to blame the West, and those who want to blame Putin."
Did The West Promise Moscow That NATO Would Not Expand? Well, It's Complicated.
Mikhail Gorbachev himself said the question of NATO's expansion didn't come up in discussions when he was Soviet leader. That hasn't stopped the assertion that NATO and the United States misled Moscow from becoming a central grievance for Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin.
www.rferl.org
Just seeing defensive hardware Nat....nothing that would enable Ukraine to launch an offensive against Russia.
Factbox: Ukraine gets weapons from the West but says it needs more
Western countries have stepped up arms deliveries to Ukraine but it says it needs more in order to resist Russia's bigger and better-equipped army.
www.reuters.com
Gaddafi had ALREADY massacred civilians.
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Russia: we’re not invading, you’re being whipped into a frenzy by the west!
Also Russia: here are our demands to avoid “military technical action”
Also Russia: to avoid any issues with our non invasion, eastern Ukrainian civilians should just evacuate to be safe
I would say at this point it’s pretty clear western intelligence nailed this….now it’s all up to Putin.
Also Russia: here are our demands to avoid “military technical action”
Also Russia: to avoid any issues with our non invasion, eastern Ukrainian civilians should just evacuate to be safe
I would say at this point it’s pretty clear western intelligence nailed this….now it’s all up to Putin.
One "myth" in particular kicked off a furious debate in e-mail threads, chat rooms, listservs, and on Twitter: "Russia was promised that NATO would not enlarge."
"The U.S.S.R. was never offered a formal guarantee on the limits of NATO expansion post-1990," John Lough, the research associate who authored the section, wrote. "Moscow merely distorts history to help preserve an anti-Western consensus at home."
Nikolai Sokov, a former Russian diplomat who served in the Foreign Ministry in Moscow between 1987 and 1992, disagrees. "The Chatham House piece is very bad -- it sounds to be as a piece produced by the Ideology Department of the Central Committee" of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, he told RFE/RL.
"We didn't have to come to this, though, and the issue could have remained a small script in history that does not need to be resolved," he said. "It is more about the manner of NATO enlargement and the arguments used to promote enlargement."
"We are still debating it because the proponents of enlargement believe they acted honorably and helped millions of people who had been under Soviet domination achieve their freedom," said Jim Goldgeier, who served on the National Security Council under President Bill Clinton in the 1990s.
"The Russian narrative is the West deceived them and acted in a way that left them out of post-Cold War Europe. It's just very hard to bridge these positions, and emotions do run high, given that the hopes 30 years ago of Russia being part of Europe didn't materialize," Goldgeier told RFE/RL. "So there are those who want to blame the West, and those who want to blame Putin."
Did The West Promise Moscow That NATO Would Not Expand? Well, It's Complicated.
Mikhail Gorbachev himself said the question of NATO's expansion didn't come up in discussions when he was Soviet leader. That hasn't stopped the assertion that NATO and the United States misled Moscow from becoming a central grievance for Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin.
NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard | National Security Archive
Western leaders gave multiple assurances against NATO expansion to Gorbachev in 1990-1991 according to declassified American, Russian, British, Germans documents
nsarchive.gwu.edu
Declassified in '17.
Yes, it was verbal. But, does having it in writing make a difference? We walked away from JCPOA when it didn't suit us. We unilaterally walked away from ABM, INF, Open Skies and broke 383 agreements with Native-Americans.
Pan pizza is delicious nut grain.NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard | National Security Archive
Western leaders gave multiple assurances against NATO expansion to Gorbachev in 1990-1991 according to declassified American, Russian, British, Germans documents
Declassified in '17.
Yes, it was verbal. But, does having it in writing make a difference? We walked away from JCPOA when it didn't suit us. We unilaterally walked away from ABM, INF, Open Skies and broke 383 agreements with Native-Americans.
The Putin-Gang posting here seems to ignore this simple reality:
But when it's Putin and Russia doing this to another sovereign nation, they're all yippy-skippy with it.
If Mexico decided "hispanics" were being mistreated, and decided to "occupy" parts of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona, then started shelling to incite us into war, the MAGAs would lose their shit.
But when it's Putin and Russia doing this to another sovereign nation, they're all yippy-skippy with it.
Both sides always claim to have behaved honorably.
Sometimes it's even true.
Mainly we were interested in opening up former Soviet states (and Russia itself) to commercial exploitation. Sometimes that improves living standards. Sometimes not.
Sure seems like some people in here are rooting for Russia.
Russian Invasion YESTERDAY! - How Did It Go?
Only way for fascists and oligarchs to retain power. Control the people with jingoism and false propaganda. -like the bullshit we are seeing with vaccines? Like telling people the economy is being impacted by a group of people inside a city when your very own police force is blocking the...
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