Most of us understand this. It's always been about the market.
Rutgers Athletics Fiscal Disaster
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Most of us understand this. It's always been about the market.
Wow this thread got interesting, and heated, quickly.
1- read my post above.
2- Although Rutgers and Maryland haven't been great at the big sports in the conference, they are good at plenty of others. Lacrosse, soccer (men's and women's), etc.
3- Nebraska is the biggest question mark in all of this. You want a program that doesn't fit in academically and didn't add anything to expand the brand into new markets, this is where your beef is. Nebraska is great at women's volleyball though. They did make it to the final against Wisconsin.
1- read my post above.
2- Although Rutgers and Maryland haven't been great at the big sports in the conference, they are good at plenty of others. Lacrosse, soccer (men's and women's), etc.
3- Nebraska is the biggest question mark in all of this. You want a program that doesn't fit in academically and didn't add anything to expand the brand into new markets, this is where your beef is. Nebraska is great at women's volleyball though. They did make it to the final against Wisconsin.
Rutgers currently sits at 28 in the Director's Cup standings.
Iowa is 56.
Iowa is 56.
I love how the argument is "before Rutgers joined, the B1G TV deal was only X amount"
As if X amount wouldn't have gone up in the next negotiation. With or without Rutgers. 😂
You were allowed to join because of the TV market. Any other NYC area team would have brought the same with them. Feel lucky the Big Ten chose you instead of acting like we owe you a favor...
As if X amount wouldn't have gone up in the next negotiation. With or without Rutgers. 😂
You were allowed to join because of the TV market. Any other NYC area team would have brought the same with them. Feel lucky the Big Ten chose you instead of acting like we owe you a favor...
Yea, Seton Hall? St.Johns? Hofstra? Gonna peel Princeton from the Ivy I’m sure. Monmouth? Fordham! Yea that’s it. All those AAU member land grant schools with D1 football teams in the DMA. So many to choose from. We’re so lucky!
Being a land grant school is not a requirement. Syracuse would have been a better option. Hell, Buffalo would have been a more competitive athletic school to add than Rutgers.
Again, it was the TV market, not you. Be happy you were gifted entry.
Rutgers and Iowa are basically the same. Even have the same number of national titles in football although we did it first.
Everyone should just chill. In 20 years it all collapses anyway. The golden goose that is football and to some extent mens basketball begins to die quickly as boomers fade, gen x legacies lose interest and the few millinials that are interested become more concerned with planning for retirement with a background of overwhelming national debt and taxes. generation z couldn’t care less now and well not be welling to carry the ball. Nonrevenue sports (see historical longstanding mens swimming tennis gymnastics at iowa) have already been crushed by title 9, and that trend well continue. I won’t be getting Kinnick season tickets to tailgate and watch the Rutgers Hawkeye soccer game.
Ah, the post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy on full display. I thought Rutgers had a great philosophy program. Maybe you skipped the intro to logic class then?
Iowa's athletic department, historically until COVID year, pays for itself, doesn't get state money or take loans for operations. SO, while BigTen as a whole is much better off with the footprint expansion, we were just as fine before.
We just beat Syracuse and are ranked above them, and you right now in the Directors Cup. . Syracuse isn’t an AAU school and has a terrible market. You’re welcome for the checks you are cashing.
Man some of you guys are really taking this basketball loss hard.
A single game or season means squat. We're talking about historic athletic performance here. Also, the Directors Cup means nothing. No one at the Big Ten cared how the Lacrosse team was fairing at prospective Big Ten universities. They cared about football first and foremost and basketball secondly.
Syracuse was a member of the AAU until 2011. When the Big Ten was making their selections they were a member and would have maintained that affiliation had they known it meant entry into the Big Ten.
We would have been cashing checks for the same amount had a school other than Rutgers joined. That's the point. I'll thank the people of New York and Baltimore for the slight bump in revenue.
We're in a rebuilding year in basketball where we lost 4 of our 5 starters and most offensive production and we still lost at your place by only 2. More of an indictment on the state of Rutgers basketball, really.
Yea and they are not now. Syracuse is in a dump market. Our sports as a whole has passed them by any measure now. Rutgers is in the largest market in the country. Syracuse isn’t. You don’t care about other sports yet the rest of the B1G sure seems to.
The Directors Cup is proof of that. As to the gridiron, we look forward to seeing you on the field. There are B1G teams that we are unlikely to match. Iowa isn’t one of those.
Whatever makes you feel better about the L. Run with it if it works.
Cashing the same checks lol. What other magical schools offered this? I hope some on this board aren’t indicative of the collective IQ of this fanbase.
RU fan. Hard fought rock fight the other night.
I get B1G traditionalists not loving the additions of Nebraska, Maryland, & Rutgers. And it's true that had those additions never happened, conference revenues would have increased. But no where near the amount they did thanks to MD & RU, in particular (seriously, take up your gripes with Nebraska).
Where I disagree most in this thread is the comparison to Syracuse. Sure, they have had athletic glory in the past, but that died out around Jim Boeheim's 50th birthday (he's almost 80, btw). Plus, Syracuse is a hell of a lot closer to Ottawa than it is NYC. Let's stop pretending the B1G would have been as well off with Cuse.
I get B1G traditionalists not loving the additions of Nebraska, Maryland, & Rutgers. And it's true that had those additions never happened, conference revenues would have increased. But no where near the amount they did thanks to MD & RU, in particular (seriously, take up your gripes with Nebraska).
Where I disagree most in this thread is the comparison to Syracuse. Sure, they have had athletic glory in the past, but that died out around Jim Boeheim's 50th birthday (he's almost 80, btw). Plus, Syracuse is a hell of a lot closer to Ottawa than it is NYC. Let's stop pretending the B1G would have been as well off with Cuse.
It's funny seeing a pretentious Rutgers fan. Like seeing a dog wearing clothes.
I agree. Syracuse blows & the Carrier Dome sucks. Would much rather have Rutgers over them.
Something something "Directors Cup!" Something something "I hope this board isn't the collective IQ of Iowa fans."
And don't forget about the Directors Cup!
You don’t like empirical data I see. Must be a feelings person. Hope the L didn’t hurt to much the other night.
I'm not a Rutgers hater, just laughing at how much of a tool you are.
Iowa hasn't had someone who can protect the paint like Omoruyi in years, I'm a fan. He looked like DeAndre Jordan (yes I'm aware you don't know who that is, but it's a positive comment). In your words, "take 15 minutes to educated yourself" on DeAndre Jordan & why it's a good comp to Omoruyi.
Iowa hasn't had someone who can protect the paint like Omoruyi in years, I'm a fan. He looked like DeAndre Jordan (yes I'm aware you don't know who that is, but it's a positive comment). In your words, "take 15 minutes to educated yourself" on DeAndre Jordan & why it's a good comp to Omoruyi.
In the years since Rutgers has joined the Big Ten, Syracuse basketball has been ranked #1 in the nation in two different years and been top 5 other years. Rutgers has had a better record than Syracuse one year...ONE!
Even being down Syracuse has had far more success in the last 5 years than Rutgers has and have been wildly successful since the Big Ten added east coast schools. For a man asking others to look at facts, you sure don't have much of a grasp on them.
When the powers that be at the Big Ten were looking for schools to add to the conference they most certainly weren't asking "Well, who has the best Director's Cup score??? Let's go get them...how prestigious!"
Again, they were saying "Who has a big market of people that will watch them play that devil foosball and also has fans that will watch men's basketball?" That's it, end of story. Hint: It was your market, not your athletic success (or lack thereof as has been demonstrated to you with facts)
You don’t like it because Iowa isn’t in the top 50.In the years since Rutgers has joined the Big Ten, Syracuse basketball has been ranked #1 in the nation in two different years and been top 5 other years. Rutgers has had a better record than Syracuse one year...ONE!
Even being down Syracuse has had far more success in the last 5 years than Rutgers has and have been wildly successful since the Big Ten added east coast schools. For a man asking others to look at facts, you sure don't have much of a grasp on them.
When the powers that be at the Big Ten were looking for schools to add to the conference they most certainly weren't asking "Well, who has the best Director's Cup score??? Let's go get them...how prestigious!"
Syracuse fanbois lol. I’ve seen it all here.
I have already said our market was the draw. Man you guys are slow. And guess who was the only school in our market that fits all the criteria? It wasn’t NYU or St. John’s.
I believe the AD is 100% self funded. Mostly by the football and a little Basketball. Those 2 pay there share and more. Last report I could find, the student fees were $650,000 out of around 100 million. However, this fee was to build a rec building down town that ALL students use. FB and Big10 pay about 2/3 of total and various source for the rest - like donations, etc.
My point is very simple, so you can probably grasp it, even with your comments like somehow we (lowly Iowa ) and the rest of the midwestern hicks were done some kind of favor by Rutgers joining the BIG. Who was the bigger winner? The BIG who gained some more east coast TV's but already had the biggest rights payouts and most successful of the conference networks, or Rutgers when they become a full member and reap that 55 to 60 million a year per team or whatever it will be after 2025? You'll probably wish you were back in the Atlantic 10 or the big east right? Not......
there have been tons of capitol improvements. As Cali said, we currently get a portion but not our full share.
Just keep the same refs from the other night and I don’t think it matters what arena you play in.
The 2020-2021 final score has Iowa at 30th overall - only Mi, OSU, and Minn above us. You are only looking at part of a year.
You might want to get that chip off your shoulder before surgery is necessary to remove it. Good grief.
Dude, get a life with your "return the extra revenue" shit. What exactly would YOUR revenue be if you didn't join the BIG, say you were still in the A10 or big east? I'm sure about the same as the 55 to 60 million a year your about to start getting annually right? Jees........
You are embarrassing yourself. No one gives a shit. I hope all the time you spent acting butthurt over here was worth it.
