School book in public school. This is unacceptable.

[fsu1jreed]

My school taught abstinence only and it's no coincidence that we had a special class with a day care for the 40+ girls that got pregnant so they could finish their degrees.....it's like everybody in charge couldn't figure out the correlation, I still don't understand it to this day

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

It's the long game. Normalize sex conversations with children, slowly lose grasp of what a minor is, and whammy why can't we have sex with kids? They want to explore their sexuality also.




( I'm being wayyyyy over the top but you gotta admit it's ****ing weird how often the progressives want to talk with children about sex)

I can’t wait until all life can start like your lord and savior’s life did. No sex involved at all. On that note, his death too, he didn’t really die! What an excellent message for our children!

 

[goldmom]

My school taught abstinence only and it's no coincidence that we had a special class with a day care for the 40+ girls that got pregnant so they could finish their degrees.....it's like everybody in charge couldn't figure out the correlation, I still don't understand it to this day

Heck I went to Catholic school in the 60’s and we had ZERO sexual instruction - just that our parents said sex was a complete “No No”, But two couples were pregnant under their caps and gowns at graduation and they got married like right out of high school. I remember our Biology teacher got all the senior girls into a classroom and said she better not hear we were in the backseat of a car with a boy for ANY reason or she'd know we were cheap bad girls. I wasn’t even dating anyone and I was still petrified.
Somehow we survived because our parents all had “the talk” with us (some got more info than others) and then the threatening lecture if you were a girl.
YOUR LIFE IS RUINED IF YOU LET A BOY GO ALL THE WAY.

But in the primary grades? Or in a book talking about being a girl who should have been a boy? Are you serious? Or being a girl who liked other girls? We knew what lesbians were by high school but no one was out then at that age. So my friends and I never thought about it.
Several people came out later - some surprises and some not, but it’s never affected how much I like them or value them as dear friends.
Bottom line a yes to sexual education and discussion about sexuality, but make it age appropriate.

 

[wausauhawk]

I'm being purposefully obtuse, yes, but the lefts continued focus on talking to children about sex. Not even puberty age children, little kids, is ****ing weird.

You didn't have sex-ed classes before puberty? I grew up in the 80s, in Iowa, & we definitely had sex-ed in elementary school, before puberty. Had to have a parent sign a permission slip, otherwise you got sent to the library.

 

[fsu1jreed]

You didn't have sex-ed classes before puberty? I grew up in the 80s, in Iowa, & we definitely had sex-ed in elementary school, before puberty. Had to have a parent sign a permission slip, otherwise you got sent to the library.

In Houston we had a sex ed presentation in 5th grade, separated by gender, in the cafeteria that just covered the reproductive system .....I wouldn't really call that sex ed though

 

[tarheelbybirth]

That's a terrible analogy. They aren't providing sex. SMFH.

The school should definitely be educating students about drugs and alcohol from an early age.

Beat me to it...what a strange, poorly thought-out argument. And look at the likes it garnered...

True. But that doesn't mean it should be provided by the school. We can't stop kids from being exposed to drugs and alcohol. Doesn't mean they should put a tap in the cafeteria.

👍 :Masterprime and goldmom

 

[DooBi]

Beat me to it...what a strange, poorly thought-out argument. And look at the likes it garnered...

You guys love you some porn in schools. Smh.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

You guys love you some porn in schools. Smh.

Don't try to save it...your post was dumb as hell. Just walk away.

 

[goldmom]

In Houston we had a sex ed presentation in 5th grade, separated by gender, in the cafeteria that just covered the reproductive system .....I wouldn't really call that sex ed though

What else would need to be covered?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

What else would need to be covered?

I dunno...what they actually do, maybe?

 

[DooBi]

Don't try to save it...your post was dumb as hell. Just walk away.

Nah, the analogy works. Now we're just arguing whether it is pornographic or not. If it is then the analogy works. If it isn't then it doesn't.

Do you think teaching kids how to send illegal pictures of themselves to other people is sex ed or not? I don't think it is. I think it's pornographic and should not be provided by the school.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Again, I haven't read the book (neither have you) so I won't offer an opinion. My sole point is that we need to abandon the idea that we can insulate children from the reality of sex and sexuality until they are fertile. That idea is idiotic and harmful.

Well...you seemed to completely ignore an incredibly thoughtful and thorough review of the book by a teacher who really wanted to use it in the classroom for the Sex Ed stuff but couldn't because of all of the stupid shit they put in there that they for some reason think is relevant/appropriate for middle school kids.

Here's what they included in case you missed it. You are free to comment on that so you don't have to keep using "I didn't read the book" as a reason to not comment on it.

1. STIs. “No big deal” and emphasizing how curable/treatable they are is not age appropriate. I get that we don’t want to stigmatize folks who have STIs! I have an STI! But it is *not* “no big deal” - there are social and health repercussions to it that I have been dealing with my whole adult life. It’s not a message I felt okay giving kids, and it appears to be the primary message the authors want to give about STIs, though they cover prevention methods well.

2. Sexting. The book’s advice about sexting is all about how to do it only with trusted people in ways that keep your face/location out of it. I get harm mitigation, but really?! The purported audience here is (a) not of the age of consent and (b) dealing with a risk/reward imbalance in their brains that makes them *really bad* at considering the long-term consequences of things. They’re also not totally great at gauging who to trust. Sexting advice for this group should be more along the lines of “tempting, but don’t; maybe phone sex or something that doesn’t leave a paper trail is a better way to scratch the itch.”

3. Kink. “If you think you might have a kink, look on the internet” is terrible advice. “Teens” are the ostensible audience for this book, and while I love the internet and it’s more informative corners and they have taught me a lot about my sexuality, “search up your kink on the internet” is not something I would tell any 13-year-old. They more often need reassurance that just because something excites them sexually it *doesn’t* necessarily mean it’s something they want to try in real life. Porn can push some really unpleasant buttons, and so explaining to kids that it is monetized and optimized to do that - especially if you have had the body image industrial complex talk with them already - is more important than avoiding kinkshaming.

4. Porn. “Pay for your porn” is great advice for adults. It’s shitty advice for teens who don’t have a lot of money and are more likely to get trapped into subscriptions that they don’t realize they’ve committed to and don’t know how to end. There are ways to talk about being respectful and supportive of sex work to teens, but “pay for your porn” is not something they are ready to hear without a lot of caveats that this positive, upbeat book isn’t designed to give.

 

[sober_teacher]

Nah, the analogy works. Now we're just arguing whether it is pornographic or not. If it is then the analogy works. If it isn't then it doesn't.

Do you think teaching kids how to send illegal pictures of themselves to other people is sex ed or not? I don't think it is. I think it's pornographic and should not be provided by the school.

If that was the only thing in the book I’d probably agree, but it’s not so I don’t really.

I only have a problem with this book at the school library if it was an assigned reading; and even then I’d want to know the context of the assignment.

Sidebar: I would love to know the history of how this book ended up at the school. Was it donated? Did someone read the description, thought it sounded interesting and ordered it?

How did the grandparent learn this book was there? Did the kid check it out on their own, recommended by teacher, etc?

 

[sober_teacher]

Well...you seemed to completely ignore an incredibly thoughtful and thorough review of the book by a teacher who really wanted to use it in the classroom for the Sex Ed stuff but couldn't because of all of the stupid shit they put in there that they for some reason think is relevant/appropriate for middle school kids.

Here's what they included in case you missed it. You are free to comment on that so you don't have to keep using "I didn't read the book" as a reason to not comment on it.

1. STIs. “No big deal” and emphasizing how curable/treatable they are is not age appropriate. I get that we don’t want to stigmatize folks who have STIs! I have an STI! But it is *not* “no big deal” - there are social and health repercussions to it that I have been dealing with my whole adult life. It’s not a message I felt okay giving kids, and it appears to be the primary message the authors want to give about STIs, though they cover prevention methods well.

2. Sexting. The book’s advice about sexting is all about how to do it only with trusted people in ways that keep your face/location out of it. I get harm mitigation, but really?! The purported audience here is (a) not of the age of consent and (b) dealing with a risk/reward imbalance in their brains that makes them *really bad* at considering the long-term consequences of things. They’re also not totally great at gauging who to trust. Sexting advice for this group should be more along the lines of “tempting, but don’t; maybe phone sex or something that doesn’t leave a paper trail is a better way to scratch the itch.”

3. Kink. “If you think you might have a kink, look on the internet” is terrible advice. “Teens” are the ostensible audience for this book, and while I love the internet and it’s more informative corners and they have taught me a lot about my sexuality, “search up your kink on the internet” is not something I would tell any 13-year-old. They more often need reassurance that just because something excites them sexually it *doesn’t* necessarily mean it’s something they want to try in real life. Porn can push some really unpleasant buttons, and so explaining to kids that it is monetized and optimized to do that - especially if you have had the body image industrial complex talk with them already - is more important than avoiding kinkshaming.

4. Porn. “Pay for your porn” is great advice for adults. It’s shitty advice for teens who don’t have a lot of money and are more likely to get trapped into subscriptions that they don’t realize they’ve committed to and don’t know how to end. There are ways to talk about being respectful and supportive of sex work to teens, but “pay for your porn” is not something they are ready to hear without a lot of caveats that this positive, upbeat book isn’t designed to give.

But you’re basing this based on ONE review of the book. It also sounds like it’s otherwise gotten favorable reviews/ratings.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Nah, the analogy works. Now we're just arguing whether it is pornographic or not. If it is then the analogy works. If it isn't then it doesn't.

Do you think teaching kids how to send illegal pictures of themselves to other people is sex ed or not? I don't think it is. I think it's pornographic and should not be provided by the school.

Here's the history...

Again, I haven't read the book (neither have you) so I won't offer an opinion. My sole point is that we need to abandon the idea that we can insulate children from the reality of sex and sexuality until they are fertile. That idea is idiotic and harmful.

True. But that doesn't mean it should be provided by the school. We can't stop kids from being exposed to drugs and alcohol. Doesn't mean they should put a tap in the cafeteria.

I specifically excluded the book. You commented on my "sole point". Your analogy fails spectacularly.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

But you’re basing this based on ONE review of the book. It also sounds like it’s otherwise gotten favorable reviews/ratings.

Yeah. From a middle school teacher who was looking for an age appropriate book for middle school kids and is very complimentary of the book except for certain parts.

Are you unable to look at their approach to "STD's, Porn, Sending naked pictures of yourself and Kink", and come to the very easy opinion that it's fvcking insane to think it's appropriate to teach 12 year olds that shit?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Well...you seemed to completely ignore an incredibly thoughtful and thorough review of the book by a teacher who really wanted to use it in the classroom for the Sex Ed stuff but couldn't because of all of the stupid shit they put in there that they for some reason think is relevant/appropriate for middle school kids.

Here's what they included in case you missed it. You are free to comment on that so you don't have to keep using "I didn't read the book" as a reason to not comment on it.

1. STIs. “No big deal” and emphasizing how curable/treatable they are is not age appropriate. I get that we don’t want to stigmatize folks who have STIs! I have an STI! But it is *not* “no big deal” - there are social and health repercussions to it that I have been dealing with my whole adult life. It’s not a message I felt okay giving kids, and it appears to be the primary message the authors want to give about STIs, though they cover prevention methods well.

2. Sexting. The book’s advice about sexting is all about how to do it only with trusted people in ways that keep your face/location out of it. I get harm mitigation, but really?! The purported audience here is (a) not of the age of consent and (b) dealing with a risk/reward imbalance in their brains that makes them *really bad* at considering the long-term consequences of things. They’re also not totally great at gauging who to trust. Sexting advice for this group should be more along the lines of “tempting, but don’t; maybe phone sex or something that doesn’t leave a paper trail is a better way to scratch the itch.”

3. Kink. “If you think you might have a kink, look on the internet” is terrible advice. “Teens” are the ostensible audience for this book, and while I love the internet and it’s more informative corners and they have taught me a lot about my sexuality, “search up your kink on the internet” is not something I would tell any 13-year-old. They more often need reassurance that just because something excites them sexually it *doesn’t* necessarily mean it’s something they want to try in real life. Porn can push some really unpleasant buttons, and so explaining to kids that it is monetized and optimized to do that - especially if you have had the body image industrial complex talk with them already - is more important than avoiding kinkshaming.

4. Porn. “Pay for your porn” is great advice for adults. It’s shitty advice for teens who don’t have a lot of money and are more likely to get trapped into subscriptions that they don’t realize they’ve committed to and don’t know how to end. There are ways to talk about being respectful and supportive of sex work to teens, but “pay for your porn” is not something they are ready to hear without a lot of caveats that this positive, upbeat book isn’t designed to give.

I posted more reviews than you. You dismissed them. As stated multiple times, I can't speak to the content of the book because I haven't read it. Neither have you.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Yeah. From a middle school teacher who was looking for an age appropriate book for middle school kids and is very complimentary of the book except for certain parts.

Are you unable to look at their approach to "STD's, Porn, Sending naked pictures of yourself and Kink", and come to the very easy opinion that it's fvcking insane to think it's appropriate to teach 12 year olds that shit?

You don't know what their approach is, You have a single review that may or may not be legit. If they are advocating for children sending nude pictures of themselves to others I would find that highly objectionable. But I have NO idea if that's what they actually do or not...and neither do you.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

I posted more reviews than you. You dismissed them. As stated multiple times, I can't speak to the content of the book because I haven't read it. Neither have you.

I did read your single quote reviews. I gave you a FULL review.

And again, Your "I haven't read it" crap is a total cop out. There's a lot of easy ways to see what's in it. Like this quote from the book from the review right after the one I provided:
"There are some (STDs) that are untreatable like HPV and herpes...But even those aren't worth fretting over beyond keeping some good practices."

I'm so pleased to be on the opposite side of you on this issue. You have to be a completely irresponsible fvcking loser to think this is anything but terrible to teach a 12 year old.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

I did read your single quote reviews. I gave you a FULL review.

And again, Your "I haven't read it" crap is a total cop out. There's a lot of easy ways to see what's in it. Like this quote from the book from the review right after the one I provided:
"There are some (STDs) that are untreatable like HPV and herpes...But even those aren't worth fretting over beyond keeping some good practices."

I'm so pleased to be on the opposite side of you on this issue. You have to be a completely irresponsible fvcking loser to think this is anything but terrible to teach a 12 year old.

LOL...you're so full of shit - as usual. I have no side on the book as I have repeatedly stated. Guess why.

I did read a book that talked about daughters getting daddy drunk so they could sleep with him. It also includes a story about a daaddy who goes on a trip and promises to kill the first thing he sees when he returnns should the trip prove a success. The trip WAS successful but the first thing he saw upon his return home was his own daughter. So he kills her. Oddly enough, that book is recommended for children by the same people who would ban the one in this thread.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

LOL...you're so full of shit - as usual. I have no side on the book as I have repeatedly stated. Guess why.

I did read a book that talked about daughters getting daddy drunk so they could sleep with him. It also includes a story about a daaddy who goes on a trip and promises to kill the first thing he sees when he returnns should the trip prove a success. The trip WAS successful but the first thing he saw upon his return home was his own daughter. So he kills her. Oddly enough, that book is recommended for children by the same people who would ban the one in this thread.

Great. Was it fiction or non-fiction?

Did it advise them that STDs were no big deal? Did it tell them to pay for porn as a minor? Did it tell them that if they're into anal the best place to look for how to enjoy it more is in the seedy corners of the internet? You know...like this book does?

 

[sober_teacher]

Yeah. From a middle school teacher who was looking for an age appropriate book for middle school kids and is very complimentary of the book except for certain parts.

Are you unable to look at their approach to "STD's, Porn, Sending naked pictures of yourself and Kink", and come to the very easy opinion that it's fvcking insane to think it's appropriate to teach 12 year olds that shit?

From someone who says they’re a middle school teacher anyways. Again, you’re dismissing the fact that this review is an outlier amongst others who have liked this book more than this person.

And of course it’s not appropriate to teach 12 years how to sext. But it’s not an accurate statement by you unless you can establish that this is actually being taught, as opposed to being one chapter in a book that’s in the school library.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Great. Was it fiction or non-fiction?

Did it advise them that STDs were no big deal? Did it tell them to pay for porn as a minor? Did it tell them that if they're into anal the best place to look for how to enjoy it more is in the seedy corners of the internet? You know...like this book does?

Well...it's the Bible so you'll have to make your own judgement as to it's status as far as truthiness goes.

 

[DooBi]

Here's the history...




I specifically excluded the book. You commented on my "sole point". Your analogy fails spectacularly.

Your sole point is invalid. Just because we can't insulate our children does NOT mean the school should be providing it. Porn, alcohol, drugs... any of it.

 

[BelemNole]

But you’re basing this based on ONE review of the book. It also sounds like it’s otherwise gotten favorable reviews/ratings.

A book from an 8th grade teacher. Who said the book was great just a little too much for her 8th graders. But then, it's YS.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

A book from an 8th grade teacher. Who said the book was great just a little too much for her 8th graders. But then, it's YS.

And you being you pretend that I didn't say it was "an incredibly thoughtful and thorough review of the book by a teacher who really wanted to use it in the classroom for the Sex Ed stuff but couldn't because of all of the stupid shit they put in there, that they for some reason think is relevant/appropriate for middle school kids."

 

[BelemNole]

And you being you pretend that I didn't say it was "an incredibly thoughtful and thorough review of the book by a teacher who really wanted to use it in the classroom for the Sex Ed stuff but couldn't because of all of the stupid shit they put in there, that they for some reason think is relevant/appropriate for middle school kids."

Was the book written for 8th graders?
Or are you just being you?

 

[gohawks50]

Nah, the analogy works. Now we're just arguing whether it is pornographic or not. If it is then the analogy works. If it isn't then it doesn't.

Do you think teaching kids how to send illegal pictures of themselves to other people is sex ed or not? I don't think it is. I think it's pornographic and should not be provided by the school.

I have looked for images of this book's content for the last few days. After viewing some of the pages I understand why parents would be uncomfortable with the book being in a school library. These are a couple of the pages about the topic of sexting. While I think the book should discourage all sexting, it explicitly explains how it can be illegal to have sexual pictures of anyone under the age of 18.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Well...it's the Bible so you'll have to make your own judgement as to it's status as far as truthiness goes.

Yeah. Great. Another brilliant copout. Anything to avoid commenting on what's in the book in question.

You remind me of the GOPers who just can't bring themselves to ay "Nazi's are bad". You just can't bring yourself to say that teaching children that STDs are no big deal and that the best way to find out how to do kinky anal stuff is by randomly searching the internet...right after borrowing mommy's credit card to pay for porn. How hard is it to say "Yeah. Maybe that isn't appropriate for a 12 year old." Instead you choose, "I haven't read it so I can't comment. But here are 25 posts about it without commenting."

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Was the book written for 8th graders?
Or are you just being you?

Are only 8th graders not able to access to it in the middle school library? Which is the subject of this thread if you didn't realize.

 

[BelemNole]

Are only 8th graders not able to access to it in the middle school library? Which is the subject of this thread if you didn't realize.

That's not the subject of the thread. The subject is that the same guy who complained about gay books in the School District library is now complaining (and lying) about a sex ed book.
You swallow it up because you live on outrage.
No one in the school district it teaching with the book. Just like no one was teaching with the ok to be gay book that triggered this guy previously.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

That's not the subject of the thread. The subject is that the same guy who complained about gay books in the School District library is now complaining (and lying) about a sex ed book.
You swallow it up because you live on outrage.
No one in the school district it teaching with the book. Just like no one was teaching with the ok to be gay book that triggered this guy previously.

And you keep arguing against strawmen that I never mentioned. I just said it was in the library and you're yelling at the clouds about "No one is teaching with the book!"

It's funny when you guys dance around the very central topic and don't come close to addressing it. It gets pointed out that a book in a middle school library advises that it's best to search the internet for ways to have kinky sex and paying for porn and the great advice that herpes are no big deal and are a small risk when sexual pleasures are concerned. I mean, why would you actually address that shit? You'd have to take a stand against debauchery for children. It's much easier to say stuff like "Well, I haven't read it" or "It's not really written for 8th graders". Points that have NOTHING to do with the fact that it is sitting in a public middle school library for any student there to read.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

From someone who says they’re a middle school teacher anyways. Again, you’re dismissing the fact that this review is an outlier amongst others who have liked this book more than this person.

And of course it’s not appropriate to teach 12 years how to sext. But it’s not an accurate statement by you unless you can establish that this is actually being taught, as opposed to being one chapter in a book that’s in the school library.

It's not an outlier at all. Most of them are saying pretty much the same thing. That it's good stuff for the Sex Ed part but the advice on STDs, kink, porn and sexting is out of control and too much.

 

[BelemNole]

And you keep arguing against strawmen that I never mentioned. I just said it was in the library and you're yelling at the clouds about "No one is teaching with the book!"

It's funny when you guys dance around the very central topic and don't come close to addressing it. It gets pointed out that a book in a middle school library advises that it's best to search the internet for ways to have kinky sex and paying for porn and the great advice that herpes are no big deal and are a small risk when sexual pleasures are concerned. I mean, why would you actually address that shit? You'd have to take a stand against debauchery for children. It's much easier to say stuff like "Well, I haven't read it" or "It's not really written for 8th graders". Points that have NOTHING to do with the fact that it is sitting in a public middle school library for any student there to read.

"You'd have to take a stand against debauchery for children."
JFC you're so Yellowsnow. Won't someone think of the children??!!!
Which part of human sexuality is debauchery? What wont' these kids be doing once/if they're sexually active?
And you know no idea if it's available to any student. All you know is that the district bought 2 copies.
But you keep doing you, the board needs Karen's too.

 

[fsu1jreed]

The real ironic thing is now ALL of said students will know about said book

 

[gohawks50]

The real ironic thing is now ALL of said students will know about said book

Exactly, I'm sure this book has gained popularity in every library it's available.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

The real ironic thing is now ALL of said students will know about said book

Yup. "Hey Dad, can you unlock my parental block on my phone? This book says I need to use the internet to see the best way to have people piss on me."

 

[gojojo]

It's the long game. Normalize sex conversations with children, slowly lose grasp of what a minor is, and whammy why can't we have sex with kids? They want to explore their sexuality also.




( I'm being wayyyyy over the top but you gotta admit it's ****ing weird how often the progressives want to talk with children about sex)

Try upping the dosage, or cutting it in half.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

EL OH EL @ you Jagoffs still trying to justify why a book that discusses the best ways to view porn and take nude photos of yourself needs to be in a middle school library.

 

[RileyHawk]

EL OH EL @ you Jagoffs still trying to justify why a book that discusses the best ways to view porn and take nude photos of yourself needs to be in a middle school library.

Did you ever figure out whether a minor can purchase a firearm?

Lol - you're an ignorant clown.