SCOTUS gives Trump most of what he wants, helps him run the clock out on the rest.

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Reading the opinion . . . says Trump can ask his Attorney General and VP to do illegal things or be fired (At least when it applies to the AG) and he's absolutely immune

Everything else they just punt back down to the lower courts to help run out the clock for Trump.

And people complain about Ukraine being corrupt? Supreme court is doing a former president and current candidate favors.

 

[ICHawk-I]

Clears the road for Biden to declare Trump is a threat to democracy. Since in his oath he swore to protect the US from all threats, foreign and domestic, it would make arresting Trump an official act.

 

[sober_teacher]

That’s a ridiculous decision.

 

[millah_22]

Biden has the chance to do the funniest thing.

 

[thewop]

The headline is that you are immune for anything you do as an official act...

So while in office you could basically do anything as an official act and be immune for it?

Biden could just have trump thrown in jail today right?

Surely the fine print clarifies this. Just my reaction to what on the surface seems like a wreckless ruling.

 

[abby97]

That’s a ridiculous decision.

Is it? Do you think Obama should have been prosecuted for killing the American terrorist in Afghanistan, or Biden for withdrawing troops from Afghanistan in a negligent fashion allowing 13 solders to be killed, or what-a-bout Bush for invading Iraq under what later was determined to be false facts? Presidents would not be able to do anything while in office if they knew they could be prosecuted after they leave office.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

The headline is that you are immune for anything you do as an official act...

So while in office you could basically do anything as an official act and be immune for it?

Biden could just have trump thrown in jail today right?

Surely the fine print clarifies this. Just my reaction to what on the surface seems like a wreckless ruling.

They basically went through and said that any time he talked to the VP or a member of his cabinet no matter what he said it was an official act. His motives don't matter. His purpose doesn't matter.

They heavily heavily suggested that calling state election officials about the "integrity of elections" could also be an official act too as does encouraging the crowd.

It is a reckless ruling.

 

[sober_teacher]

Is it? Do you think Obama should have been prosecuted for killing the American terrorist in Afghanistan, or Biden for withdrawing troops from Afghanistan in a negligent fashion allowing 13 solders to be killed, or what-a-bout Bush for invading Iraq under what later was determined to be false facts? Presidents would not be able to do anything while in office if they knew they could be prosecuted after they leave office.

Who gets to define what is or is not an “official act?”

 

[eb05]

Biden has the chance to do the funniest thing.

nah he will do the most democrat thing ever. act all high and mighty then act appalled when trump uses this ruling to do exactly what he says he’s going to do.

The headline is that you are immune for anything you do as an official act...

So while in office you could basically do anything as an official act and be immune for it?

Biden could just have trump thrown in jail today right?

Surely the fine print clarifies this. Just my reaction to what on the surface seems like a wreckless ruling.

yeah you pretty much nailed it

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Is it? Do you think Obama should have been prosecuted for killing the American terrorist in Afghanistan, or Biden for withdrawing troops from Afghanistan in a negligent fashion allowing 13 solders to be killed, or what-a-bout Bush for invading Iraq under what later was determined to be false facts? Presidents would not be able to do anything while in office if they knew they could be prosecuted after they leave office.

Those all fall under their powers of being C&C which is a very official act.

Asking cabinet officials to help you commit a crime isn't just because they happen to be cabinet officials. The ruling essentially says it doesn't matter what he says or what his motives are anything he says to a cabinet official is immune.

 

[Finance85]

Reading the opinion . . . says Trump can ask his Attorney General and VP to do illegal things or be fired (At least when it applies to the AG) and he's absolutely immune

You are mischaracterizing what the court said.

 

[sober_teacher]

They basically went through and said that any time he talked to the VP or a member of his cabinet no matter what he said it was an official act. His motives don't matter. His purpose doesn't matter.

They heavily heavily suggested that calling state election officials about the "integrity of elections" could also be an official act too as does encouraging the crowd.

It is a reckless ruling.

It’s effectively absolute immunity no matter how people will try to spin.

You could twist virtually anything POTUS does to be an official act.

 

[Finance85]

Clears the road for Biden to declare Trump is a threat to democracy. Since in his oath he swore to protect the US from all threats, foreign and domestic, it would make arresting Trump an official act.

Are you trying to be funny?

 

[sober_teacher]

You are mischaracterizing what the court said.

Based on what I’ve read it doesn’t seem like a huge stretch.

 

[Huey Grey]

You are mischaracterizing what the court said.

He really isn't. All crimes are now legal as long as they are done under the guise of an official act. It's the courts ridiculous ruling, not anybody else's.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

The headline is that you are immune for anything you do as an official act...

So while in office you could basically do anything as an official act and be immune for it?

Biden could just have trump thrown in jail today right?

Surely the fine print clarifies this. Just my reaction to what on the surface seems like a wreckless ruling.

For the record Biden could order his AG to throw Trump and all 6 of the conservative SCOTUS justices in jail and do everything possible to run out the clock while keeping them there. He could order the AG to basically invent a new reason every day to put them in prisons after the courts released them.

There is no conduct in which communicating with his cabinet officers is an unofficial act.

 

[Finance85]

The headline is that you are immune for anything you do as an official act...

So while in office you could basically do anything as an official act and be immune for it?

Biden could just have trump thrown in jail today right?

Surely the fine print clarifies this. Just my reaction to what on the surface seems like a wreckless ruling.

You should read it. It's lengthy, and somewhat technical, so it may take awhile.

 

[abby97]

Who gets to define what is or is not an “official act?”

According to the SCOTUS, the courts.

 

[Huey Grey]

Sure seems like this would make it illegal to kill Stormy for the sex. But not illegal to kill her to protect the integrity of an election.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

You are mischaracterizing what the court said.

The opinion literally said that the court can not second guess or judge communications between the president and his cabinet official no matter what the motives behind them.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

You should read it. It's lengthy, and somewhat technical, so it may take awhile.

Can I get an #unroll?

 

[Huey Grey]

You should read it. It's lengthy, and somewhat technical, so it may take awhile.

Don't you find it troubling that no president before Trump ever needed a ruling like this?

 

[Here_4_a_Day]

Biden has the chance to do the funniest thing.

Spin up pudding on his bib?

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Sure seems like this would make it illegal to kill Stormy for the sex. But not illegal to kill her to protect the integrity of an election.

It's illegal for the killer who doesn't get immunity because they arn't the president. But it's not illegal for Trump to ask his AG to do it.

So if you had an AG who was willing to go to prison for Trump there would be no conspiracy to commit murder charge on Trump, for asking the AG to kill stormy. Just the murder charge on the AG.

 

[Titanhawk2]

bogus to begin with

 

[abby97]

For the record Biden could order his AG to throw Trump and all 6 of the conservative SCOTUS justices in jail and do everything possible to run out the clock while keeping them there. He could order the AG to basically invent a new reason every day to put them in prisons after the courts released them.

There is no conduct in which communicating with his cabinet officers is an unofficial act.

I doubt anyone with a scintilla of common sense or honesty would not consider those official acts, those would most definately be actions for personal gain.

 

[Huey Grey]

It's illegal for the killer who doesn't get immunity because they arn't the president. But it's not illegal for Trump to ask his AG to do it.

So if you had an AG who was willing to go to prison for Trump there would be no conspiracy to commit murder charge on Trump, for asking the AG to kill stormy. Just the murder charge on the AG.

Which the president could then pardon.

 

[sober_teacher]

According to the SCOTUS, the courts.

And without any sort of definition; we’ll play this game out every single time, which will aways take years.

SCOTUS effectively made POTUS immune.

 

[Huey Grey]

I doubt anyone with a scintilla of common sense or honesty would not consider those official acts, those would most definately be actions for personal gain.

What official act did Trump have trying to overthrow the government?

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Ginny chimed in!

Conservative Justice Clarence Thomas, who joined the court’s majority opinion, wrote separately to raise questions about whether Attorney General Merrick Garland violated the Constitution when he appointed Jack Smith as special counsel.

Pushing fringe legal theory about the legality of Smith’s appointment in 2022 has been part of Donald Trump’s defense strategy in his classified documents criminal case in Florida, which also was brought by the special counsel. Trump’s attorneys have argued that Garland does not have legal authority to appoint someone as special counsel who hasn’t been confirmed by the Senate.

Thomas, too, appears to support that argument.

“And, there are serious questions whether the Attorney General has violated that structure by creating an office of the Special Counsel that has not been established by law. Those questions must be answered before this prosecution can proceed,” Thomas wrote in his concurrence. “The lower courts should thus answer these essential questions concerning the Special Counsel’s appointment before proceeding.”

No other justice joined Thomas’ concurrence.

 

[Here_4_a_Day]

FIFY:

SCOTUS follows the Constitution, and Rule of Law!! 😘​

 

[Huey Grey]

Trump blocks certification of the election in 2028. Orders the national guard to physically prevent certification. That now appears legal.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

You should read it. It's lengthy, and somewhat technical, so it may take awhile.

I did read it.

There is no requirement that the communications between the president and the AG be about anything official and as long as the president has a cabinet officer who's willing to go to prison for him, the president can have that cabinet officer commit any crime they request and the president can not be held criminally liable via conspiracy for those "official acts"

Ask the sec of defense to send some troops up to capitol hill and force congress to vote your way at gunpoint. Sure the sec of defense could theoretically go to prison for that. But POTUS is free and clear. He's president, the person that did was a cabinet official and he (POTUS) didn't hold the gun himself.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Which the president could then pardon.

If it's a federal charge yes.

So the idea really here is he can take out political opponents if they happen to ever set foot inside a state where the president has an ally in the governor's office. Just have an "official" underling commit the crime then have their ally in the governor's office drop that underling an official pardon for the state crime. Any federal criminal investigations can be squashed by the president.

We will probably be seeing people falling out of windows soon. Figuratively speaking

 

[ericram]

Will Biden and his team please find a way to put biff in prison. Stat. He is a threat to democracy.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

You think Secretary of Defense Mike Flynn would obey an order like that from Trump? No way, I say!

😳

 

[BioHawk]

The headline is that you are immune for anything you do as an official act...

So while in office you could basically do anything as an official act and be immune for it?

Biden could just have trump thrown in jail today right?

Surely the fine print clarifies this. Just my reaction to what on the surface seems like a wreckless ruling.

Well, the courts have to agree with you. So, if you control the judges then you can control what becomes an official act. Say, if you got to place 3 people on the Supreme Court, for instance.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

So does this mean we need to see them drop all charges against Trump from now on?

 

[ItsAllBallBearingsNowadays]

Who gets to define what is or is not an “official act?”

Without reading the details of the ruling, that is big issue in my opinion. Official Acts need to be defined and limitations in place. If not, opens the for door for great abuse.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Well, the courts have to agree with you. So, if you control the judges then you can control what becomes an official act. Say, if you got to place 3 people on the Supreme Court, for instance.

What's worse honestly is that the court just basically said that a president is immune from any conspiracy charge as long as the person he is conspiring with is a member of his cabinet.