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Hopefully it means Fran goes a bit more shallow on the bench than he has done in the past and he goes away from "hockey" lineup changes. My guess is Kris and Pat play 30 mpg during contested games. With Connor's versatility to play 1-4 and Kris being able to play small-ball 5, that leaves us with plenty of flexibility on subbing. Ogundele and/or Mulvey giving us quality 3-5 minute subs will help with this as well. JO may not be in shape to go for 7-10 minute stretches, but that should be more than okay most nights. If he comes in and is a bruising nuisance for 4 minutes a half, that would help the team a ton.
I agree - would love to see rotations of 8-9 in tight games UNLESS Mulvey or Josh step-up and deserve to be in the rotation. Unless Iowa is playing some of those Big Ten teams with big front lines like Purdue and Illinois last year, if Mulvey or Josh haven't improved to be in the rotation, they don't need to play too much against the other teams without a big presence at Center.
 
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I hope the starting lineup is more of a positive indicator for Sandfort, than a hint that Fran has not been overwhelmed with Ulis and Bowen. I think the rotation would be better with them playing most of the PG minutes and Sandfort playing primarily at 3/4. Disappointing if Mulvey hasn't progressed into a role beyond benchwarmer.
I don't know that it means either one of those things. Fran has always been an offense-first coach so leaning towards Sandfort vs Ulis/Bowen in the starting lineup wouldn't be a huge surprise?
 
I saw that Kentucky does a Blue/White scrimmage and they play in a small arena. Looks like a fun evening - can we do something like that? Did we ever do this in the past? Here's another fun idea. A little extravaganza evening(perhaps Homecoming weekend?) with the men's and women's team. Three point contest, skills contest, a little co-ed 3-on-3 tourney. It would just be a little too much fun and drum up some EXCITMENT for attending games at CARVER. Please do this.
Yes we always used to start each season with the Black & Gold Blowout. I don't know why they don't bring this back. Donate the money to a charity or possibly NIL.
 
I'd really like to think this will be the year Fran cuts the rotation to 8 (not counting extra min because of foul trouble/injuries). I won't hold my breath, but that's my hope.
 
I'd really like to think this will be the year Fran cuts the rotation to 8 (not counting extra min because of foul trouble/injuries). I won't hold my breath, but that's my hope.

You'd think it would be no more than 9 just because Riley & Ogundele are only expected in rare instances.

At the same time, I am interested to see if Amarion Nimmers, the 6'3" combo guard walk on, will get any meaningful minutes.
 
That is the question. Would Fran have brought him back if he was lazy and unmotivated? I seem to remember last year that Josh had a bad case of covid and never was able to get in condition. That may still be the case.
I may be wrong but I believe Josh has/had Graves Disease which is an autoimmune issue that impacts the thyroid. Difficult to deal with especially an athlete due to the physical demands of playing a sport.
 
I'm rather surprised that Perkins has been inserted into the lineup at PG. So many on this board seemed to think that was Bowen's spot to lose.
 
I'm rather surprised that Perkins has been inserted into the lineup at PG. So many on this board seemed to think that was Bowen's spot to lose.
I think that most thought that Ahron would be the starter to begin the season but that Dasonte would push him. I still think that'll be the case because having Payton as instant offense off the bench might be the best move. Having Dasonte, Payton and CMac to come in and shake things up will be an advantage for Iowa.
 
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Put your best five on the floor. Just like with Keegan in Sacto, he didn’t start the past two games, but played starter minutes. The lineups will change based on matchups anyway.
 
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Led the team in assists for 3 straight years.
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How did the team do with Andre at PG? I left Iowa the year Lute left, and expected Iowa to be a very good team. I think they were preseason top 10 team, but as a bench coach (and maybe everything except recruiting), George was awful. I liked Andre's game, but saying he was a good PG is a stretch.
 
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I don't know that it means either one of those things. Fran has always been an offense-first coach so leaning towards Sandfort vs Ulis/Bowen in the starting lineup wouldn't be a huge surprise?
It still seems a little funny given Fran's talking up Ulis improvement and Bowens playing well. If TP starts at the point one of those guys may get pretty thin minutes. I'm not sure thats a good thing long term. I'd also agree with those that would like a little more scoring from the bench, and have my concerns that PS can guard a BIG quality 2 guard. I know we're switching from complaining about NO offense, to poor defense, but we have to be better on that end of the floor, and on the boards this year.....
 
It still seems a little funny given Fran's talking up Ulis improvement and Bowens playing well. If TP starts at the point one of those guys may get pretty thin minutes. I'm not sure thats a good thing long term. I'd also agree with those that would like a little more scoring from the bench, and have my concerns that PS can guard a BIG quality 2 guard. I know we're switching from complaining about NO offense, to poor defense, but we have to be better on that end of the floor, and on the boards this year.....

Fran talks up everyone but I considered it very disappointing if Ulis isn't starting
 
It still seems a little funny given Fran's talking up Ulis improvement and Bowens playing well. If TP starts at the point one of those guys may get pretty thin minutes. I'm not sure thats a good thing long term. I'd also agree with those that would like a little more scoring from the bench, and have my concerns that PS can guard a BIG quality 2 guard. I know we're switching from complaining about NO offense, to poor defense, but we have to be better on that end of the floor, and on the boards this year.....
If Iowa plays D and on the boards like it did the last 15 games of the season, I think they will be a pretty good team. They outrebounded their opponents in 10 of the 15 games in that stretch and held them to 44% shooting - which is pretty good considering they were all Big Ten / NCAA Tourney teams.
 
If Iowa plays D and on the boards like it did the last 15 games of the season, I think they will be a pretty good team. They outrebounded their opponents in 10 of the 15 games in that stretch and held them to 44% shooting - which is pretty good considering they were all Big Ten / NCAA Tourney teams.
IF, is the key. Maybe this has a lot to do with Perkins possibly getting the nod, because much if that coincided with him moving into the starting lineup last season. Its a dillema. You want your best players starting or at least getting starters minutes, BUT you want some punch off the bench. Thats why Fran gets the big bucks I guess. I just hope he'll make some changes if he goes that route and its not going well.....
 
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And Tyler Cook? And Woodbury? Fran has recruited well and developed tons of talent at the five. Just seems to have struck out lately at that position.
I'm not sure that's much of an argument. While I certainly think Frans deserves a lot of credit for bringing in Luka, and SOME development, I'd say that LG did most of the work. Not sure that either Cook or Woodbury were markedly better when they left Iowa then they were when they got there.....Cook certainly played a bigger role, but I don't think his skill set took a big leap while he was a Hawk.....
 
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I understand that logic but it's not like you have to do a wholesale substitution of the starting 5.

Fran might bring 1 or 2 guys off the bench early rather than waiting for a foul or fatigue issue.

I personally like getting your most talented guys in at the start to try to set the tone of the game early.
Fair enough, but the downside is not getting Ulis and Bowen enough experience early on. Bowen especially will need the reps if he is going to grow and contribute this year in February and March.
 
I'm rather surprised that Perkins has been inserted into the lineup at PG. So many on this board seemed to think that was Bowen's spot to lose.
A couple things that could be responsible for this which would not be an indictment on either Ulis nor Bowen:

1) Perkins likely has professional aspirations, and would be slightly undersized as a SG in the League. If he can develop PG-level ball skills, it’ll do a lot for his chances at the next level (in my opinion)

2) It could mean that Josh Dix is the real deal and in line to play substantial minutes this year, which would be in-line with some of Fran’s preseason ravings on him. If Dix is as good as advertised, Perkins at the 1 and Dix at the 2 could be a lethal offensive backcourt where Ulis and Bowen (may be) more limited scorers

Just a couple of ideas. I’m sure that Fran will do a lot of tinkering throughout noncon as usual though to see what sticks
 
A couple things that could be responsible for this which would not be an indictment on either Ulis nor Bowen:

1) Perkins likely has professional aspirations, and would be slightly undersized as a SG in the League. If he can develop PG-level ball skills, it’ll do a lot for his chances at the next level (in my opinion)

2) It could mean that Josh Dix is the real deal and in line to play substantial minutes this year, which would be in-line with some of Fran’s preseason ravings on him. If Dix is as good as advertised, Perkins at the 1 and Dix at the 2 could be a lethal offensive backcourt where Ulis and Bowen (may be) more limited scorers

Just a couple of ideas. I’m sure that Fran will do a lot of tinkering throughout noncon as usual though to see what sticks

#1 means Fran is putting one player ahead of the team
 
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It still seems a little funny given Fran's talking up Ulis improvement and Bowens playing well. If TP starts at the point one of those guys may get pretty thin minutes. I'm not sure thats a good thing long term. I'd also agree with those that would like a little more scoring from the bench, and have my concerns that PS can guard a BIG quality 2 guard. I know we're switching from complaining about NO offense, to poor defense, but we have to be better on that end of the floor, and on the boards this year.....
I'm not necessarily advocating for it. It just seems logical to me given Fran's mindset. With Fran starters=minutes and Fran might want those minutes to go to Sandfort. When was the last time that Fran sacrificed offense for better defense? There is little doubt that Ulis is a better perimeter defender than Sandfort today. There is also little doubt that Sandfort is a better scorer than Ulis. Rebounding is probably a push between the 2. In Fran's mind offense always wins.
 
A couple things that could be responsible for this which would not be an indictment on either Ulis nor Bowen:

1) Perkins likely has professional aspirations, and would be slightly undersized as a SG in the League. If he can develop PG-level ball skills, it’ll do a lot for his chances at the next level (in my opinion)

2) It could mean that Josh Dix is the real deal and in line to play substantial minutes this year, which would be in-line with some of Fran’s preseason ravings on him. If Dix is as good as advertised, Perkins at the 1 and Dix at the 2 could be a lethal offensive backcourt where Ulis and Bowen (may be) more limited scorers

Just a couple of ideas. I’m sure that Fran will do a lot of tinkering throughout noncon as usual though to see what sticks
I think you guys are over thinking this. I think it has more to do with Sandfort than anything.
 
IF, is the key. Maybe this has a lot to do with Perkins possibly getting the nod, because much if that coincided with him moving into the starting lineup last season. Its a dillema. You want your best players starting or at least getting starters minutes, BUT you want some punch off the bench. Thats why Fran gets the big bucks I guess. I just hope he'll make some changes if he goes that route and its not going well.....
Yep, Perkins moving into the starting line-up did seem to be the difference maker. With Fran's teams, I am never really worried about them Offensively. They will find ways to score. I am guessing the starting line-up we see come Big Ten time might be different than what we see at the beginning of the year (unless that starting line-up is pretty successful against the tough non-conf).
 
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Fair enough, but the downside is not getting Ulis and Bowen enough experience early on. Bowen especially will need the reps if he is going to grow and contribute this year in February and March.
Agreed. I'm hoping he has a higher ceiling than both Ulis and Perkins. Getting him playing time early might be key later in the season.
 
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I think you guys are over thinking this. I think it has more to do with Sandfort than anything.
Sandfort will struggle to defend Big Ten 2’s, regardless of where he’s been practicing

And I’m not sure Iowa has the interior defense to give up the dribble drive out of zone

But we will see, it took until mid-last season for Fran to find the lineup that worked and we got rolling when he did. Confident that he will do the same with this year’s
 
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I'm not sure that's much of an argument. While I certainly think Frans deserves a lot of credit for bringing in Luka, and SOME development, I'd say that LG did most of the work. Not sure that either Cook or Woodbury were markedly better when they left Iowa then they were when they got there.....Cook certainly played a bigger role, but I don't think his skill set took a big leap while he was a Hawk.....
Wow. I have heard everything now. This obviously is just a troll job. Even the most avid Fran hater doesn’t believe this.
 
Sandfort will struggle to defend Big Ten 2’s, regardless of where he’s been practicing

And I’m not sure Iowa has the interior defense to give up the dribble drive out of zone

But we will see, it took until mid-last season for Fran to find the lineup that worked and we got rolling when he did. Confident that he will do the same with this year’s
Thought about this a little bit further, and would acknowledge the lineup could work if Kris is defending the 2 spot instead of Payton. Then you can have Pat defending 3 and Payton, 4.

Even if Payton is just that good (which may the the case - I’m super high on him), Fran still has to have some level of confidence in scoring off the bench to put all these guys in a lineup together - enter Josh Dix
 
Keep in mind, these scrimmages are generally tightly controlled and are more like intersquad practices. There ver well could be actual scrimmages going on, but even then, one coach asks for specific things to be done so their team can work on certain things against unfamiliar opponents.

Ex. A coach might ask the other to run a zone so they can work on specific things to attack zones, even if they don't generally run a zone defense.
 
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