Settle Down Jok or Sit Down

[andoboy]

This kid has to learn to let the game come to him... He does not have any court sense whatsoever and if he doesn't step up to be a leader than I would rather he just sit on the bench.

1) He is not a defensive player at all he is just plain lazy on the defensive end and is a huge liability.

2) He forces way to many shots instead of moving without the ball and creating space.. He needs to take a cue from Mecham for Notre Dame let the game come to you be patient and create your shot.

3) He has to learn to create off the dribble which he just cannot do, when he has the ball he creates zero opportunities for his teammates .

 

[amahawk]

I just do not see him n the NBA. This might upset some people and I hope that I am wrong.

 

[RocknRollface]

I told people 3 years ago he needed to model his game after Reggie Miller and Rip Hamilton.

Run, run and run more off screens.

Hes ok at moving without the ball but he wastes to much time trying to handle the ball when he just cant go anywhere.

 

[nu2u]

Tough game for Jok. Didn't look 100% to me. He has a green light and rightfully so because he is one of the better scorers in the nation.. Needs to be a little stronger around the basket where he can draw more fouls. Benching Peter Jok due to an off night is the last thing Iowa needs, you can't be serious.

 

[RocknRollface]

Tough game for Jok. Didn't look 100% to me. He has a green light and rightfully so because he is one of the better scorers in the nation.. Needs to be a little stronger around the basket where he can draw more fouls. Benching Peter Jok due to an off night is the last thing Iowa needs, you can't be serious.

He made it a tough night by playing stupid.

Its one thing to miss open shots, thats fine but he forced bad shots all night when other guys had matchups they were doing better against.

Then when his guy was killing him on the other end he lost his mind and took the bad shot selection up a notch.

Yes you should sit a guy whos doing that, its a terrible example to a young team.

 

[Bearhawk0505]

I was afraid he may have some nights where he tries to do to much and hurt the team. A few of his early shots hurt. They were long contested 2 point jumpers EARLY in the shot clock. Those are ok late in the clock after the ball has moved, or if he is red hot. He is a great talent at shooting the ball, but he has to let the game come to him. I think the coaches could run some more half court set plays to get him looks early.

 

[sadiehawkins]

I said last yr Jok needed to get stronger he is weak with the ball. He better buck up when it comes to conference play because he is going to pressured and roughed up. Pemsl played like a veteran on the road. Baer needs to come off the bench. How does a 6'5" guy get what like 17 rebounds. I know if I was the coach we would work on blocking out and to see who had some floor burns. I still haven't figured out why we hedge on the point with our center. Can't Fran see how worthless it is. I wish there was a way to see how many fouls or lay ups Iowa gave up when Woodbury did it.

 

[CAhawki]

Might be me, but i think he looks gassed early in games. Maybe due to bulk but early on he has be sweatin bad. Makes me think he might be under the weather

 

[TheRealHerky]

Dude better learn Spanish and/or French.

 

[24 so far]

I told people 3 years ago he needed to model his game after Reggie Miller and Rip Hamilton.

Run, run and run more off screens.

Hes ok at moving without the ball but he wastes to much time trying to handle the ball when he just cant go anywhere.

I haven't watched tonight's game yet, but it doesn't really matter. Jok has been a lousy ball handler throughout his Iowa career. There is little reason to believe that's ever going to be a strength.

He's a spot up shooter, and a darn good one, but that is pretty much where it begins and ends, IMO. Really good free throw shooter as well, which won't be much of a factor late in games with the bullfighter defense they throw on the court.

 

[GunnerHawk]

This kid has to learn to let the game come to him... He does not have any court sense whatsoever and if he doesn't step up to be a leader than I would rather he just sit on the bench.

1) He is not a defensive player at all he is just plain lazy on the defensive end and is a huge liability.

2) He forces way to many shots instead of moving without the ball and creating space.. He needs to take a cue from Mecham for Notre Dame let the game come to you be patient and create your shot.

3) He has to learn to create off the dribble which he just cannot do, when he has the ball he creates zero opportunities for his teammates .

This post is spot on, I'll add one additional observation, the young man oozes potential but takes off way too many plays. He needs to go to the rim more aggressively and be more intense.

 

[FranklinHawk]

These boards are the poster child for the reactive "what have you done for me today" crowd. Yesterday afternoon Peter Jok was a stud and certain 1st team all B1G, today Fran should sit him because he's bad and lazy.

 

[sadiehawkins]

These boards are the poster child for the reactive "what have you done for me today" crowd. Yesterday afternoon Peter Jok was a stud and certain 1st team all B1G, today Fran should sit him because he's bad and lazy.

i wouldn't call him a stud and his game isn't going to change. He is what he is a shooter. You can be a 20 point a game guy. But if the guy you are guarding scores ten over his average. You are a 10 point a game guy then. He played like crap against ND. Another guy who hasn't shown much is wagner. Uhl will transfer. He brings nothing now lost all confidence. We aren't going to be playing in the NCAA tourney so I play all the freshman I can. Hope I am wrong but that JMHO

 

[Curt Furence]

These boards are the poster child for the reactive "what have you done for me today" crowd. Yesterday afternoon Peter Jok was a stud and certain 1st team all B1G, today Fran should sit him because he's bad and lazy.

This, good lord people. He was bad last night, forced too many shots when he started struggling, but it is probably going to happen a handful of times this year. The last few years people would get mad when Aaron White or Uthoff would be reluctant to shoot, now Jok should do just that?

Jok has a green light to shoot the ball and yes I would also like to see him move more and without the ball rather than trying to heave up contested shots, this is what a lot of Iowa games are going to look like this year. He will have nights where those shots are going in like against Memphis where he only took 16 shots and had 42 points and people are going to ask why he doesnt shoot more.

 

[HawkGem10]

These boards are the poster child for the reactive "what have you done for me today" crowd. Yesterday afternoon Peter Jok was a stud and certain 1st team all B1G, today Fran should sit him because he's bad and lazy.

Yeah oh so fast a certain part of the fan base will turn on any player at any given time it is a joke how pathetic they are.

 

[ZumaHawk]

Sitting Pete is absolutely assanine!! Enough said.

 

[Curt Furence]

Sitting Pete is absolutely assanine!! Enough said.

Even with last night's rough shooting effort he is still shooting 48% from the field and over 40% from 3. People are acting like he is Alford's kid last year shooting under 40% from the field and still putting up 15 shots a night.

I hope last night give Bohannon a lot of confidence because Iowa needs another shooter. Ellingson can do it in short minutes and Moss has shown he is not afraid to let it fly but I guess when a true freshman is willing to put up the second most 3's in school history he already has some confidence.

 

[CanadaHawk]

Like all college players, Jok's a work in progress. Every criticism made here he's mentioned himself as things he needs to work on in interviews. Fran likes his offensive aggression- get that? See Uhl as the alternative. As opposed to blunting that, Fran wants him to see getting other players involved as a part of his offensive aggression. Yes, he's still D deficient, but I think he feels such a responsibility to score, that he hasn't given that as much attention as it needs. He'll never be a stopper, but he'll get better. I agree that Moss at SG may help him with D, allowing him to defend the 3.

 

[DrVenkman]

It looks to me that Iowa's biggest issue is on defense. Not going to win too many giving up the points they do with the youth they have. I believe that forces Jok's mindset that he has to outscore the other team.

 

[RocknRollface]

Sitting Pete is absolutely assanine!! Enough said.

Did you watch that game last night?

If you're not going to atleast sit a guy for a while when hes taking shots like that then youre going to do more damage than good.

 

[ZumaHawk]

I've watched every game so far. He did come out of the game btw.

 

[Curt Furence]

Might be me, but i think he looks gassed early in games. Maybe due to bulk but early on he has be sweatin bad. Makes me think he might be under the weather

He has asthma iirc also. But yes, conditioning has always been an issue with Pete. There were games last year where they would play long stretches in between tv timeouts with no dead ball and he would hardly make it up and down the court.

 

[Mohawkeye]

I had no problem with Pete's shot selection last night. I want my senior All Big shooting the ball with a green light every time we have possession. You don't get hot by not shooting. This team is young and needs him to be their leader. It just wasn't falling last night, but that is what you get when you have a big scorer. I do think his shoulder is not good.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I had no problem with Pete's shot selection last night. I want my senior All Big shooting the ball with a green light every time we have possession. You don't get hot by not shooting. This team is young and needs him to be their leader. It just wasn't falling last night, but that is what you get when you have a big scorer. I do think his shoulder is not good.

you are right about the shoulder....we may have got lucky on that one...not so much with Cook.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

I think Peter's got a chronic rotator cuff shoulder injury that was aggravated when he was injured vs. Memhpis. He'll be back in better shape by the time we play Iowa State.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Did you watch that game last night?

If you're not going to atleast sit a guy for a while when hes taking shots like that then youre going to do more damage than good.

did you watch the game? ... he did come out but don't let facts get in the way. The same guy you are talking about has on numerous occasions carried the team on the offensive side of things...he did it last year (which is why he earned 2nd All-B1G).

Ya there are times he takes a shot (and I say bad shot selection Pete)...then it goes in. ...last night he took a couple out of the 20 that he probably should not have...but the worst thing you want is him questioning himself...my gosh that is part of what makes him a great shooter from deep. You want to sit him because of his shooting?.....really?

Ya sometimes a senior in crunch time tries to take too much on his shoulder..he does need to look for his teammates more (Fran said as much)...but don't put a harness on him. That's the worse thing you can do.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I think Peter's got a chronic rotator cuff shoulder injury that was aggravated when he was injured vs. Memhpis. He'll be back in better shape by the time we play Iowa State.

correct...a blow out Saturday (not counting on it) might be a good thing. I don't think it was just a bad night shooting the ball.

 

[LinusPF]

I had no problem with Pete's shot selection last night. I want my senior All Big shooting the ball with a green light every time we have possession. You don't get hot by not shooting. This team is young and needs him to be their leader. It just wasn't falling last night, but that is what you get when you have a big scorer. I do think his shoulder is not good.

Exactly. And I believe this is exactly the message he's getting from Fran. It would be different if this team was laden with other scorers...

 

[tshawki2]

The biggest thing is for Jok to realize in the moment that it's not happening, and try to get his teammates the ball and get into the flow of the offense and wait for a high quality shot to get himself going again. The hardest part of that is being patient and actually REALIZING you're forcing it in the moment. That was really the only problem last night IMO.

 

[RocknRollface]

did you watch the game? ... he did come out but don't let facts get in the way. The same guy you are talking about has on numerous occasions carried the team on the offensive side of things...he did it last year (which is why he earned 2nd All-B1G).

Ya there are times he takes a shot (and I say bad shot selection Pete)...then it goes in. ...last night he took a couple out of the 20 that he probably should not have...but the worst thing you want is him questioning himself...my gosh that is part of what makes him a great shooter from deep. You want to sit him because of his shooting?.....really?

Ya sometimes a senior in crunch time tries to take too much on his shoulder..he does need to look for his teammates more (Fran said as much)...but don't put a harness on him. That's the worse thing you can do.

Hell yes I want him to quit taking stupid shots at the expense of other guys who had better matchups.

Yeah, he sat for a bit, then came back in and continued to force contested shots and drives.

Im fine if he fires up some long ones but at least be half way open. last night he basically shot Iowa out of the game instead of feeding Pemsel who was scoring at will.

Thats stupid selfish basketball. Its not team basketball and its not how you win games.

He needs to trust his teamates and set a better example on the defensive end.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

If I had to speculate, I'd say Pete thinks if he scores 30 ppg that he'll get a first Rd draft slot. He's mistaken. People like to say they don't play defense in the NBA but in playoff games and end of close game situations, you better be able to man up if you're a guard.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I don't think anyone posting (other than guessing) knows what Pete is thinking. But that's what these boards allow...guessing.
Having someone on this team ...I'm pretty sure if I would ask him "do you think Pete thinks if he scores 30 ppg he'll get a first Rd draft slot?".... he probably would answer ....."what?". That is a premise that has zero foundation.

I fully realize bad shot selection is bad shot selection. Would we be saying the same thing had JBo missed his 3's? Did we say the same thing when Jok went off on Memphis?

Does PJ need to look for his teammates more?...yep. I'm just not going to overboard and call his play against ND as selfish. But HR allows for it ...so have at it.

 

[BGHAWK]

Rename this the Pylon Peter Jok thread

 

[hawk-i bob]

Rename this the Pylon Peter Jok thread

...notice there wasn't much said about his selfish shooting against Memphis...rest assured JB and Pemsl will have their day.

 

[kzoohawk80]

Hell yes I want him to quit taking stupid shots at the expense of other guys who had better matchups.

Yeah, he sat for a bit, then came back in and continued to force contested shots and drives.

Im fine if he fires up some long ones but at least be half way open. last night he basically shot Iowa out of the game instead of feeding Pemsel who was scoring at will.

Thats stupid selfish basketball. Its not team basketball and its not how you win games.

He needs to trust his teamates and set a better example on the defensive end.

And these are things he needs to learn this year with his role. Fran can coach him on these things without sitting him on the bench. Sitting Jok on the bench is pretty much guaranting this team a loss. By the way ND went on their run in the second half with Jok on the bench. He just had a poor shooting night last night. I saw him take 3 forced shots last night. Pretty good for a guy that was 2nd in the nation in scoring coming into the game and a guy that's on a struggling team.

 

[hawk-i bob]

And these are things he needs to learn this year with his role. Fran can coach him on these things without sitting him on the bench. Sitting Jok on the bench is pretty much guaranting this team a loss. By the way ND went on their run in the second half with Jok on the bench. He just had a poor shooting night last night. I saw him take 3 forced shots last night. Pretty good for a guy that was 2nd in the nation in scoring coming into the game and a guy that's on a struggling team.

damn u beat me to it...in watching the replay...Jok was indeed on the bench during that stretch...great catch...
Like I said he did take a couple out of the 20 he probably should not have...let me ask u ..did you watch a replay or did you catch this as it happened?

 

[cg8284]

Offensively I don't think Fran is a great offensive mind. That will not help Jok at all since he is a guy that is better when he isn't handling the ball. Unfortunately if you don't have a lot of sets that create open looks he is going to get stuck with the ball in his hands more often trying to create shots.

Defensively I don't think there is really much improvement you're going to see from him at this point. If it was going to happen it would have already by this time in his career. It's a really big void when he is letting guys dribble right past him into the lane. Part of being a team though is knowing the strengths and weaknesses of everyone on the team and working around them.

 

[mepohawk]

I wish he would at least get his hands up on the shooter. How many threes did his guy hit in the second half and he never got his hands up to try and bother the shooter.

 

[Iowamavs14]

Shooters can shoot you into games and they can shoot you out of games.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I don't disagree with the criticisms of Jok, bu a lot of this goes on Fran. He kept running sets for Jok and I am sure he told him during every time out to keep shooting. Until last night, Jok has not had any help, so I can understand his mindset, but as a senior, he has to make better decisions when the shot isn't falling. He has no dribble drive game, but he can give himself up as a decoy, set good picks and crash the glass. The absolute worst thing for the team is for Jok to take deep 3's early in the shot clock. Easy defensive stop for the opponent and puts in scramble mode to get back on D.