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Severe Vulnerability to Solar EMP hit

China's reduction in CO2 emissions in just four months totals the entire greenhouse gases emitted by the UK over the same period

If the decrease continues for the remainder of the year it would be the largest reduction in emissions by any single country

China has dramatically cut its carbon dioxide emissions since the beginning of the year, with its reduction equalling the UK’s total emissions for the same period.

The huge decline in China’s emissions can be attributed to the country’s falling coal consumption, which decreased last year for the first time this century.

Greenpeace/Energydesk China analysis found China’s coal use dropped by 8 per cent and its CO2 emissions dipped by 5 per cent in the first four months of the year, compared to the same period in 2014, and the decline is accelerating.

As part of a reform of the sector, China has ordered more than 1,000 coal mines to close and coal output is down 7.4 per cent year on year.

The news comes just months before the crucial UN Paris Summit, which aims to reach a global agreement on climate change.
China's commitments are impressive, and yet still not enough. Their problem - like that in many developing nations - is that the energy they need to catch up to the first world in things like housing and food production and so on put them in the position of choosing a 2nd-rate civilization or releasing lots of CO2. They are driving hard toward green tech and toward replacing coal with cleaner fossil fuels (this is a big part of the island building exercise in the South China Seas). But they will still be releasing lots of CO2.

That said, China's efforts undermine the argument that we shouldn't take action if others don't. WE are the main player that isn't taking enough action. Even though some other players aren't reliable (India, for example), we should be leading the way, not using them as excuses to continue to make things worse.
 
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Even if everybody plays nice it's not going to make any difference. We could cut emission to zero tomorrow (impossible) and even then there is NO guarantee that average temperatures will stop rising.

Lol
No, if we stopped emitting tomorrow, it would absolutely stop the rise in temperatures. It make take a decade or more for the planet to reach an equilibrium state based on the new CO2 concentrations, but when the primary forcing (us) is removed, temperature increases will stop with it.

Of course, if the sun starts heating up, we COULD still see rising temperatures, but that is something we have no control over, and if that starts to happen AND we continue to 'up' our CO2 levels, it would practically guarantee a major problem for us, as we could then easily see 4C or higher temperatures which are highly likely to initiate another major planetary extinction event.

Our hedge against a 'natural' forcing - like solar output warming the planet - is to stop priming the pump ourselves with our emissions today.
 
Good for us:)
Thanks Obama!

China to adopt cap and trade system to limit carbon emissions
Chinese President Xi Jinping on Friday will announce a nationwide cap-and-trade program to curtail carbon emissions, adopting a mechanism most widely used in Europe to limit greenhouse gases, Obama administration officials said.

Expanding on a pilot project in seven Chinese cities, the cap-and-trade program will impose a nationwide ceiling on emissions from the most carbon-intensive sectors of the Chinese economy and require companies exceeding their quotas to buy permits from those that have sharply reduced emissions.

Xi will make the announcement in Washington in a joint statement with President Obama, who has been pressing world leaders to take ambitious steps to slow climate change and submit detailed plans in advance of a Paris climate conference in December.

The announcement could provide a bright spot to a summit darkened with disagreements over China’s cyberattacks on U.S. companies, its more restrictive proposed law on nongovernmental organizations, continuing human rights differences, and the apparent construction in progress of four fighter jet runways on disputed islands and reefs in the South China Sea.

It also spells out the actions China will take to meet the target Xi set last November during Obama’s visit to Beijing.

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A runner wears a face mask as he takes part in the 35th Beijing International Marathon in Beijing. Some participants wore face masks to protect themselves from air pollution. (Fred Dufour/AFP/Getty Images)
China is the world’s biggest emitting nation, accounting for nearly 30 percent of greenhouse gas emissions. The government has already pledged that by 2020 it will reduce by 40 to 45 percent the amount of carbon produced for every unit of gross domestic product and will reach a peak emission level by 2030.

How much the new cap-and-trade program alters that path will depend on the level of the nationwide cap. But it will apply to China’s power generation sector, iron and steel industries, chemical firms, and makers of building materials, cement and paper.

“Together they produce a substantial amount of China’s climate pollution,” said a senior administration official. “It is a significant move.”

It also addresses an issue for ordinary Chinese, who have been angered by conventional air pollution that has obscured skylines and triggered widespread respiratory illnesses, as well as hundreds of thousands of premature deaths.

China on Friday will also pledge to aid low-income nations in a financial commitment similar to the $3 billion the Obama administration has already asked Congress to appropriate in fiscal 2016 for the international Green Climate Fund. Obama will reaffirm his commitment to making that contribution and to already-announced plans for limiting emissions through regulations for heavy vehicles and the Clean Power Plan for utilities.

The joint statement on Friday will also include language reinforcing the end of an approach dating to 1992 that divided the world into developed countries that needed to take climate measures and less-developed ones that did not. The language will acknowledge different circumstances but require all countries to combat climate change.

There are many ironies in the Chinese announcement. The cap-and-trade program was first advocated in the United States but first adopted in Europe. In Obama’s first year in office in 2009, the House passed a cap-and-trade measure, but it died in the Senate.
 
There are many ironies in the Chinese announcement. The cap-and-trade program was first advocated in the United States but first adopted in Europe. In Obama’s first year in office in 2009, the House passed a cap-and-trade measure, but it died in the Senate.
Yet more evidence that the con argument that we can't do it if others don't is clueless.

That said, I prefer a cap and tax program to a cap and trade approach. But it's a start.
 
Back to the EMP theme for a moment.

I just started One Second After by William R Forstchen. Billed as the Alas Babylon or On the Beach for our times, it seems to be about an EMP attack. I'm early in the book, so I don't know if we are talking about a mass solar coronal ejection, a nuclear attack, or aliens. EMP from a nuclear attack seems most likely.

The introductory materials make it sound like Forstchen has done a lot of homework on the science. So I was surprised when he said that basically the entire US could be EMPd with just a few nukes going off in the upper atmosphere. Something about the blast penetrating the atmosphere that greatly multiplies the EMP effect. Just two or three nukes could do it, he says.

Anybody know if that's true?

Pretty good book, so far. I wouldn't put it in the class of Alas Babylon yet, but maybe it will get there.

I'm doing my best to not hold Forstchen's affiliation with Newt Gingrich against him.
 
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