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Since the season is effectively over....

The season is hardly over. The rest of the games will determine how the season is remembered. If you were expecting this team to make the playoffs, you were highly over rating this team.
With what they had returning I think many of us thought they had an outside shot at going because of the defense they returned … that was shot after they F’ed up the game against ISU…. Then I knew there was no way probably like many … but most had Iowa as a dark horse.
 
If you're in the "season is over" group, please stop watching the rest of the games and stop posting in this forum. Let the rest of us enjoy our hobby the rest of the season on its own merits.
If I can get a refund from the university for my annual donation and tickets and parking for the last three games, sign me up! I’d be out.
 
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The season will likely be remembered as making it to a BS bowl game that nobody wants to play in or cares about.
So the NCAA starting a playoff means not only is a season meaningless --to you- if it seems there is no chance to be in this playoff--but also any bowl game not connected to it is BS? And why do some posters always use the word nobody when they mean themselves?
 
If you're in the "season is over" group, please stop watching the rest of the games and stop posting in this forum. Let the rest of us enjoy our hobby the rest of the season on its own merits.
If reading posts from us who are fed up and want change prevents you from enjoying your hobby the rest of the season, then please skip threads with negative titles.
 
The primary goals of this team are over. No chance at the Big Ten championship or the playoff now. I’ve been advocating for at least some meaningful snaps since the Illinois State game for Sullivan. It’s obvious that’s not happening. I would like to see more of Llewellyn and Brian Allen for sure.

I think it’s a little ridiculous to sit Kaleb Johnson. For him that wouldn’t set a very good precedent for pro scouts either. A meaningless bowl game, for sure, he should not play.
 
There’s a difference between saying the season is a failure and saying the season is over.
Might have missed your competitive goals, but season over to me means you would be saying:
  • I don't enjoy tailgating with friends
  • the full stadium experience with the pomp of college sports does nothing for me
  • The Wave is getting old and doesn't tug at my heartstrings
  • I am just as happy staying home and reading the box scores as watching seeing memorable players and plays on the field
 
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Must be a lot of losers out there. Only a dozen teams make the playoffs.

To me, the only winners left that are not currently in the playoff hunt are those scrub programs fighting to make a 6-6 record and become bowl eligible for the first time. It's like your first marriage, it's fun and new.
 
So based on this line of thinking Brian Ferentz is the best coordinator in big ten football history because he called the Holiday Bowl against USC in 2019. Brilliant!
No. The statement was “we haven’t seen good football”.

Sometimes we have (Washington) and sometimes we haven’t (MSU).

The question is: Have we seen enough good football.

I think not, over the last 4 years.
 
Iowa has been favored in every game this season other than Ohio St, and there's a good chance that they will be favored in every game from here on out. You think that expecting a team to win all the games that it should is having overly unrealistic expectations? A season in which a team is favored in at least 10 games finishing out of the rankings, much less in the CFP, is an utter failure by any measurement.
Whether one considers Iowa's season a failure or not, the logic you give here is flawed.

Just because Iowa will most likely be favored in every game but one this season, doesn't mean the expectation is that they should win every game but one. Vegas opened the win total at 7.5.

For example, Iowa is a 3 point favorite vs Wisconsin next week. That means there is about a 40% chance Iowa loses that game
 
No. The statement was “we haven’t seen good football”.

Sometimes we have (Washington) and sometimes we haven’t (MSU).

The question is: Have we seen enough good football.

I think not, over the last 4 years.
Two of those four seasons in the Big Ten championship game. Not enough good football? 🤣
 
Now you sound like me until recently.

No, I just don’t think we’ve seen good enough. We essentially never are in games with big dogs the last 4 years. I would have said 2021 PSU but they ended 7-6.
Listen, to me, they are all tough games and good wins.

I guess everyone doesn't think that way, but I think fans' general minimization of Iowa's success has been just laughable.

As you earlier mentioned, we saw good football against Washington.

The win at Minnesota should in no way be minimized.

Iowa beat 4 bowl teams last season. They won 3 trophy games away from home, which is almost unheard of. Since when do wins at Wisconsin get minimized?

Go back to '22 and you'll find a shutout bowl win and a couple more trophy wins, including Wisconsin again.

Go back to '21 and you'll find 3 more trophy wins, including 2 on the road. 3 wins against ranked teams, including 2 in the top 10. PSU was a damn good team when Iowa beat them. A big part of the reason they struggled the rest of that season was because Iowa dinged up their QB. Give Iowa credit for that. Also in '21 was a 51 point game, for those that look for that type of thing.

Without the success Iowa did have in '21, they never would have played Michigan in the title game, or as quality as an opponent as Kentucky in the bowl game. Would you view that season any differently without those two losses?

Same thing last season. Without as much success as they had that season, they would have never played Mich in the title game, or as quality of an opponent as Tennessee in the bowl game. Would you view that season any differently without those two losses?

The '21 Michigan game shouldn't even be considered due to the sign stealing.

So, basically you're judging Iowa on its recent success vs the big dogs? Because over KF's career his record against top competition has been more than respectable.

I get the "what have you done for me lately?" mentality, although I don't always agree with it. But it simply doesn't apply here. '22 saw Iowa use its worst O-line that I can remember in 39 years. Given that KF had very little fault in that poor O-line, it's very silly to include that season when judging Iowa's football program. Similar thing last season, as Iowa was forced to play its worst QB to take significant snaps that I've seen in 39 years. In only a positive light can those two seasons be included in an overall judgement of Iowa football. To have averaged 9 wins in those 2 seasons is very impressive.

Whether it's fair for Iowa to be judged solely by their performance against the big dogs is debatable. What isn't debatable is the fact that success against the big dogs is even a realistic expectation is due to the level of success that KF has consistently had the program at. Iowa fans are blessed to even have a chance to expect some success against the big dogs
 
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The season is hardly over. The rest of the games will determine how the season is remembered. If you were expecting this team to make the playoffs, you were highly over rating this team.
Most people were not expecting us to be out of the playoff discussion by mid October.
 
Fine. But that doesn’t mean “the season is over”.
The season is lost. There is nothing to play for. There are five games left. Iowa’s had an incredibly soft schedule and a really veteran team. It was effectively over after the meltdown with Iowa State. If this team goes 8 and 4 which is still a major stretch, it’s a failure. If next years team somehow makes it to 8 and 4, it will be an accomplishment of immense proportions.
 
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Now you sound like me until recently.

No, I just don’t think we’ve seen good enough. We essentially never are in games with big dogs the last 4 years. I would have said 2021 PSU but they ended 7-6.
Wow, welcome to the dark side, err, I mean the logical one. I agree with you 100%.
 
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Loser mentality.
This here though...I gotta disagree with. It may mean something to some but in this day and age of a 12 team playoffs, a third loss is now the death knell. They really should get rid of bowl games. I just don't understand why anyone would participate in them anymore or spend money as they are meaningless. Essentially a glorified scrimmage for the players, that's really about it. Pride is all they're (the players) are playing for and I expect they will be, but we, as fans, realize they should be playing for much more at this point of the season.

A loser mentality is losing. You play to win championships. If you aren't playing for championships, you're not trying hard enough in a variety of capacities both big and small in scope of importance. Especially, if you're a school with the support and capabilities that Iowa has. Not trying hard enough in any of those capacities is a "loser" mentality. It's not as simplistic as you try to make it out to be.

I'd state that we have been programmed into a loser mentality over the years, by a certain person with certain questionable strategies, and with the constant reminders about how we can't achieve something as opposed to how we can. Until recently, you were one of those people in all honesty. To me, people that continue to attack others that want, or expect more, are exactly the people that personify a loser mentality. It's been broken for some time, this isn't a new development.
 
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This here though...I gotta disagree with. It may mean something to some but in this day and age of a 12 team playoffs, a third loss is now the death knell. They really aught to get rid of bowl games. I just don't understand why anyone would participate in them anymore or spend money as they are meaningless. Essentially a glorified scrimmage for the players, that's really about it. Pride is all they're (the players) are playing for and I expect they will be, but we, as fans, realize they should be playing for much more at this point of the season.

A loser mentality is losing. You play to win championships. If you aren't playing for championships, you're not trying hard enough in a variety of capacities both big and small in scope of importance. Especially, if you're a school with the support and capabilities that Iowa has. Not trying hard enough in any of those capacities is a "loser" mentality. It's not as simplistic as you try to make it out to be.

I'd state that we have been programmed into a loser mentality over the years, by a certain person with certain questionable strategies, and with the constant reminders about how we can't achieve something as opposed to how we can. Until recently, you were one of those people in all honesty. To me, people that continue to attack others that want, or expect more, are exactly the people that personify a loser mentality. It's been broken for some time, this isn't a new development.
Guys, it’s not that I don’t “want” or “expect” more.

It’s that, once I can’t get the ultimate, I don’t just give up entirely.

You see the difference?
 
with the amount of returning starters & that soft ass schedule everyone's expectation should have been playoff or bust.

not thinking or believing that is the real loser mentality just like you losers wearing punting is winning merch.
And we expected a hell of alot more out of a healthy Cade. He's been a disaster. Play the QB of the future.
 
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Guys, it’s not that I don’t “want” or “expect” more.

It’s that, once I can’t get the ultimate, I don’t just give up entirely.

You see the difference?
Brian Ferentz sure knew the difference and he took Iowa to the cleaners again and again.
 
Guys, it’s not that I don’t “want” or “expect” more.

It’s that, once I can’t get the ultimate, I don’t just give up entirely.

You see the difference?
Getting to the playoffs isn't the ultimate, we just want it on occasion, maybe, 3+ times every decade. That's just getting to it. I'm fully aware that winning a title is going to be extremely tough but if Washington can get to one, it's not out of our realm or capability as they're in our echelon.

A B1G title isn't the ultimate either. I still expect to win 1 every decade or so. A team of our caliber and history, I don't think it's outside our realm of capabilities quite honestly. KF used to have that capability 15 years ago but he doesn't anymore.
 
Lots of meaningless games being played here on out. Should cancel bowl games, all that matters is the playoff.

The short list.

Iowa 4-3
Michigan 4-3
Louisville 4-3
Boston College 4-3
Rutgers 4-3
USC 3-4
Washington 4-3
Oklahoma 4-3
Georgia Tech 5-3
Virginia Tech 4-3
North Carolina 3-4
Virginia 4-3
Arkansas 4-3
Maryland 4-3
Minnesota 4-3
Oklahoma State 3-4
TCU 4-3
Florida State 1-4
Michigan State 4-3
Auburn 2-5
Kentucky 3-4
Arizona 3-4
Nebraska 5-2 soon to be 5-3
Mississippi State 1-6
Stanford 2-5
Wisconsin 5-2 soon to be 5-3
Baylor 3-4
Texas Tech 5-2
Colorado 5-2
 
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