That you you believe that is indeed the point. The truth is the south was just wrong.
Sippy Gov Phil Bryant declares Confederate History Month
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Slavery was an economic component that perplexed both the North and the South because they both believed economic collapse would occur if slavery was abolished. Slaves were for lack of a better term, the farm equipment of their day.
The aristocratic behaving wealth of the South did not want the Northerners dictating morality for sure. But there were financial variables too.
Trad, though slavery would have ended eventually, would its demise would have been due to economics than morality? .
Then they shouldn't have fought one. Remember it was the south that decided they wanted to go to war. Too many of these revisionist history months down there is in evidence in your thinking.
No, the South decided to secede... the federal government could have walked away, but they didn't. The South didn't fire on Fort Sumter until Lincoln tried to bring in reinforcements and munitions.
Who decided? Thats right, the south. Who fired first? Thats right, the south. And what did they decide to do it over? That's right, an immoral act. The whole thing is entirely the fault of the south. Any history month that doesn't name and shame is a farce and disrespectful to the people who fought and died so that America could be a free nation.
Sorry, I respectfully disagree. We destroyed our constitution and the sovereignty of the states to end something that would have ended on its own anyway.
And a person could enjoy a rape. Get off. The south started it, the North ended it. Ending evil is no vice. Defending it, celebrating it, whitewashing it is however.
No, it's more like President Trump outlawing income inequity. The north's hands were plenty dirty in regards to slavery.
Eventually chattel slavery would have ended in the south without the Civil War. A combination of new sources for cotton being cultivated and moral revulsion by both the northern states and Europe would have ended the practice. So outside pressure was still necessary.
Unlike you my friend I really was there...saw Gov Haley Barbour make his last speech to the folks. I did see some black folk...not very many but at 30 bucks a tic not many could afford to attend...not many whites as well. It is a cliquish event but I must admit a very unique one as well. It is billed as Mississippi's Giant House Party and it is that...just a big old family reunion. Archie and Olivia Manning have a cabin on Founders Square and they come every year because it is her hometown and her family still lives there...Cooper and his family comes every year...Peyton and Eli used to. Oh and I did see an important black man speak...James Young...first black mayor of Philadelphia, MS.
I was on the grounds. One of the coolest things I've ever seen. In fact locals in Philadelphia told me Eli and Peyton both had summer jobs there. I think their mom's family has a furniture store if I'm not mistaken. I read there are no black property owners of fair ground homes.
How often have you been there Jake? Man, you need to give me a tour of that state. (And Bama) I can hardly wait to take me next trip down there. And they did tell me the Mississippi's Giant House Party line. Did not know Archie had a place there. And I don't remember Founders Square. But I sure did see Beverly Hills!!!
You want to square off against rednecks and hillbillies, and then you want to threaten them on top of that? Let me know how that goes for you.
Better yet, why don't you head to the Appalachians or the Ozarks and just start insulting random people. I'm betting that you'll never post here again.
The casual way in which you dismiss slavery is appalling. Meh, it might have meant people being owned by other people for another 10, 20, 30 years max, but we would have been forced to free them eventually anyway.
What's wrong with you?
I lived there for 4 years. Still visit there occasionally mostly to play golf at Dancing Rabbit however since I now live 950 miles away my trips back are very infrequent. Was there last year. Spent 3 days at the Dancing Rabbit clubhouse suite then went south to Hattiesburg and the Coast. I know Olivia Manning's brothers Sid and Amzie very well. Her sisters husband Dr. Joe Jordan was my dentist. I'll tell you a funny story. One day bout 9 years ago I was sitting in the Smokehouse restaurant in Philadelphia having lunch. There was an older Choctaw man eating there. I did about 4 double takes of him and I could see he thought I recognized him from someplace. I went over to him and told him I was sorry but I was sure I had seen him someplace. He smiles and asked me if I had ever seen the movie, "Mississippi Burning". I said of course. He said he had a role in the movie and that he was the Choctaw that waded in the water showing Gene Hackman and Willem Dafoe where the station wagon was hidden...it was then that his face became familiar to me. His name is Barry Jim, Jr and he is famous among the folks on the reservation...he passed away 2 years ago.
Here you go Herk...I'm gonna say this is about 1993. Peyton cutting fresh bacon at his uncle Sid William's store...Philadelphia, MS or as it is commonly called "Williamsville".
Here you go Herk...I'm gonna say this is about 1993. Peyton cutting fresh bacon at his uncle Sid William's store...Philadelphia, MS or as it is commonly called "Williamsville".
I drove all over Philadelphia. Couldn't find the jail where the civil rights kids were released but I drove down Hwy 19 and found the road where they were murdered. Found Olen Burrage's place. I didn't have time to go see the earthen dam though I was told there's really nothing there. Even went to the neighborhood where Marcus Dupree grew up. The town does have its poverty. Then down to Jackson and the Big Apple Inn. A must do if I may say so. Everyone with whom I spoke was great.
Think about this. If the more gradual, consensual abolition ensured that the irrational hatred, scapegoating and racial crimes that took place for the next 150 years were bypassed, would it be worth it? You have to consider that the ramifications of the brutality and the destruction and loss of that war, actually made things worse for the African-descent people in some ways. It made it harder for them in the long run.
I don't understand or agree with the institution at all, but I have the benefit of hindsight. I have trouble understanding how they ever STARTED it, much less needed to end it. Nevertheless, I think the war, and the severity of it, made the transition much harder, and the disdain last much longer. In fact, it is STILL being felt.
Great people. As for the jail I think they built a new one in the 80's. I know Marcus Dupree...he signed a pic for me when he played in the Fiesta Bowl and set all kinds of records. Sadly used and ripped off by his own people. Olen Burrage had more money than Davy Crockett...big timber and oil guy...yes there is oil in that flat ugly land. Lots of history. I know Cecil Price's son Skip...used to see him at football games. I think the whole civil rights thing was going to be worked out eventually. The state was in the process of integrating everything until those beatnick assholes came down with their crap. Of course MS felt as if they were being "invaded" and it got ugly. I heard stories those Freedom Summer people were anything but what history has tried to portray them as. Taking dumps and urinating on public property...loud and arrogant in other folks homes. Tragic but is it a wonder some of them wound up dead? I'm not condoning killing anyone but if you push those people they are going to retaliate...even today. I mean you gotta understand the culture they lived in. It was hard for them after living that way all their lives. If people had just sat back and let things play out it wouldn't have turned out the way it did. I blame the civil rights people just as much as I do those who committed violent acts...maybe in a different way. The judge who tried Edgar Ray Killen in 2005 is the father of a good friend of mine. His name is Marcus Gordon. I was there during the trial. They had the entire courthouse fenced off because of threats of Klan violence and Judge Gordon had his life threatened. I bet every state trooper in MS was there...it was like a 3 ring circus.
I was told Cecil Price helped Marcus get his CDL. (Heard Cecil died after hitting his head in a fall.) Also, I have a friend in Charleston, MS who knew every juror in the Emmet Till case. He said the half brothers who killed him would have been convicted had it not been for the NAACP and national attention. And I have heard the freedom rider invasion set things off. I'd never heard they had problems with all the freedom riders. Very interesting. But knowing Bernie Sanders was one, that explains it.
Have you ever seen the documentary Prom Night in Mississippi?
Have you ever seen the documentary Prom Night in Mississippi?
http://www.promnightinmississippi.com/the-film
The guy who produced this has another one out and I keep forgetting to buy it. He was a freedom rider and Byron De La Beckwith's 19 year old son assaulted him in the 1960's. He sets up a meeting with him. I've seen clips. It's just unreal. In fact, I'm going to order it tonight.
Here's a trailer:
The guy who produced this has another one out and I keep forgetting to buy it. He was a freedom rider and Byron De La Beckwith's 19 year old son assaulted him in the 1960's. He sets up a meeting with him. I've seen clips. It's just unreal. In fact, I'm going to order it tonight.
Here's a trailer:
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