Good question.
I don’t know the “particulars” but I read that Greenland is really a “protectorate” of Denmark and not an owned territory.
Does anyone have more information about this?
So…when we fight the “War for Greenland”…
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I don’t know the “particulars” but I read that Greenland is really a “protectorate” of Denmark and not an owned territory.
Does anyone have more information about this?
The USA will get their ass handed to them if Trump does any of this bullshit. I think he is just full of shit and trying to distract from the fact that he is a felon and owes millions of dollars civilly. Distract and grift. That is all he knows. That and pussygrabbing
Why didn't article 5 get invoked when NATO member Turkey was invading Cyprus (NATO member Greece)?
Denmark basically doesn't have a military anymore. In 1990 it had 3 fully equipped combat brigades, and a reserve brigade.
- Due to the long-standing underinvestment in the Danish armed forces, the current plans to boost spending will not translate into any significant increase in their capabilities in the near future. The additional funds will only make it possible to fulfil the commitments to develop the land forces that Denmark made back in 2014. It will finally be able to equip its sole brigade with the adequate amount of military matériel, but its air defence capabilities will have to be developed virtually from scratch (see ‘Safe skies? Air defence on NATO’s northern, eastern and south-eastern flank’). Two opposition parties, the Denmark Democrats and the Liberal Alliance, successfully pushed for more funding to purchase one medium- and two short-range air defence batteries. The country will most likely acquire one Patriot and two IRIS-T SLM batteries. However, it will still face the problem of insufficient numbers of combat aircraft (it has purchased only 27 F-35As) and surface vessels (five frigates). These do not meet the country’s operational needs in the air and maritime domains over a vast area that stretches from the Baltic Sea, through the North Sea, to the Faroe Islands and Greenland.
- Denmark will increase the number of conscripts it trains annually in order to expand its army brigade and boost its trained reserve. Formally conscription in Denmark is universal for men, but in practice it is voluntary. In 2023, all those performing basic military service (4700 people, a quarter of them women) were volunteers.
Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that! Our greatest president can be very persuasive! And I’m sure he would hate to see something happen to the island!
For not having a military Denmark has done quite a bit for Ukraine. Are you suggesting it would be easy to win a war with Denmark over Greenland?
I don't think one is in the cards, but it goes without saying Denmark couldn't do squat to stop it.
They don't have any way to get their poorly equipped (e.g. they gave away the last of their artillery to Ukraine) brigade to Greenland.
If the U.S. took it, there wouldn't actually be a fight.
But if Greenland becomes part of the U.S., it won't be the same way the United States acquired territory including present-day California, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, most of Arizona and Colorado, and parts of Oklahoma, Kansas, and Wyoming, which was ceded after conquest from Mexico through the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848).
It would be a treaty concession, like the Louisiana Purchase (1803), Spanish concession of Florida (Onís-Adams Treaty of 1819), Oregon Treaty with Britain (1846), or the Alaska Purchase (1867).
Have you ever thought about the fact that if we did that the NATO alliance would be destroyed? Do you place any value on the NATO alliance?
Again, military conquest of Greenland isn't going to happen.
I was simply responding honestly to the question of whether or not Denmark could actually fight for it.
They can't.
Depends on where you live.
If you lived in Estonia there is a enormous positive value in NATO membership.
For those of us in the US, NATO membership is a liability. We borrow enormous sums to station soldiers in foreign countries, for their protection. Our reward is permanent interest payments on the accrued debt that ultimately mean we can't afford government services that would benefit American citizens.
You clearly play fast and loose with the NATO alliance. You call it a liability. You wreck it at our peril.
Who is coming for us that it would protect us from?
If Japan decided to bomb Pearl Harbor tomorrow NATO allies aren't obligated by the treaty to help us.
It was never for our benefit.
Russia. China. Iran. They’re all coming for us. All dictatorships. And NATO is an alliance of democratic countries.
Iran? Really? What would that look like?
What are the Russians 'coming for us' with? They don't have any power projection. Their help in Syria was never more than a few dozen aircraft flying in uncontested airspace. Where are they going to attack us anyway?
What predation do you envision on the U.S. from China? Like I said, Hawaii isn't covered by NATO, neither is Guam or our other Pacific possessions.
Article 5 The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all...
I envision a lot of “predation” by China under Trump 2. And they’re watching his treatment of our traditional allies very carefully.
What do you envision they'll do to the U.S. that would invoke NATO's article 5?
We’re now talking about how China would view the disintegration of NATO. Keep up
No, you wrote: "Russia. China. Iran. They’re all coming for us."
I asked you, "What predation do you envision on the U.S. from China? Like I said, Hawaii isn't covered by NATO, neither is Guam or our other Pacific possessions."
So tell me what you envision they'll do.
You’re still confused. Hawaii is covered by NATO. It’s a US state. But we were talking about China.
You're wrong.
The treaty language (which I already posted) is quite clear.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/12/hawaii-nato-protection-treaty/
July 12, 2024
Hawaii isn’t protected by NATO. Some senators are trying to change that.
The archipelago became a state 10 years after NATO was born, but remains outside of the treaty’s geographic scope.So tell me what you envision they'll do. You wrote, they're 'coming for us', can you describe how you see that happening?
In 1974 a Greek military coup, which aimed to unite the island with mainland Greece, led to a Turkish invasion and the division of the island between Turkish Northern Cyprus and the Greek Cypriot Republic of Cyprus. Cyprus remains divided to this day.
If we had done that and Trump makes Canada the 51st State, we're back in the same spot.😁
So by the area code I’d suggest everyone in Dallas better get ready.Greenland landscaping is going to feel the full might of our military.
