So I watched the final drive for MSU

[starbrown]

I've re watch that play to much I think I still can't believe they did not call that block on Jewell and the ref is looking right at it.

Jewell is a monster. Another diamond Kirk is good at finding. He was tackled. Can't leave games in the hands of refs by keeping it close. Against Stanford let's not wait till the 4th quarter to chuck it downfield.

Iowa was one of the least penalized teams in conference this year (see link). It still stings to see JJ get tackled. Iowa is as good as MSU. If we win the Rose and MSU loses that will ease the pain.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...s/sort/totalPenalties/id/5/big-ten-conference

 

[bigfridaynite]

JJ beat the so call AA center to the spot and was ready to make the play a great read on his part and only to get tackle from behind.i bet the staff was speechless in film room.I'm not sure where JJ ranks on the all time LB list at Iowa but he a good one.

 

[gotaloadon]

You know if the play had happened with a bunch of bodies around the blatant tackle on Jewell it would be easier to let it go as a missed call. But it's out in the open and no one blocking the view of the stripe and the mugging. Pretty sad really.

 

[SanMateoHawk]

Don't forget that was third down, so even if they called holding, or chop block, or anything, MSU would have still had two plays left.

 

[KFsdisciple]

Iowa had 22 plays to make a stop and didn't get it done. Period. The defense had them in a couple third and long plays but Sparty was up to the task.

MSU earned the win and in the process Iowa showed their 12-0 record was for real.

It's fun to what think of what might have been IF...

But man this was a fun season and if the roles were reversed and Iowa had marched all the way down the field converting big and long third downs only to have the refs throw a flag they were swallowing all game long... I'd be IRATE.

Credit to Sparty for their execution at the end... Credit to the Hawks for making it a full 4 quarter game...

Time to flush it and be ready to play in and win the Grandaddy and get ready for a 2016 where the preseason expectations will be waaaaaayyyyyy to high...

 

[Curt Furence]

Is it possible to watch that play without physically clinching and willing the ball away from the goal line? Well into double digits and I'm not able to do it yet.

This.
I won't re watch the whole game but that night and the next day I watched the hi(low)lights like this, trying to will the ball back a half yard.

I've moved on. It sucked when it happened, it sucks now, but I've moved on.

 

[mthawkeyes]

Don't forget that was third down, so even if they called holding, or chop block, or anything, MSU would have still had two plays left.

The chop block was on the 4th and 2, so MSU would have had 4th and 17 from the 19-yard line.

 

[Oldgold51]

"Iowa had 22 plays to make a stop and didn't get it done. Period."

So what?

Is it your position that what occurred on the prior 21 plays excused the refs from calling a blatant hold/ tackle on Jewell on the 22nd play of the drive?

Your logic train is missing the engine and caboose.

 

[KFsdisciple]

"Iowa had 22 plays to make a stop and didn't get it done. Period."

So what?

Is it your position that what occurred on the prior 21 plays excused the refs from calling a blatant hold/ tackle on Jewell on the 22nd play of the drive?

Your logic train is missing the engine and caboose.

It's my position that Iowa had 21 opportunities to make a stop and win the game, refs miss calls, and at the end of the game they certainly don't want to affect the outcome if they really don't have to. They want to let the players decide it on the field.

Iowa had 21 other chances to decide it on the field, force a fumble, get a pick, get a stop on third or fourth down.

I'm not going to blame the refs because that does an injustice to Michigan State for making plays.

 

[Oldgold51]

When refs do not call blatant violations of the rules late in games they "affect the outcome of games." To argue otherwise is puerile nonsense.

Reverse the situation and assume on the fourth and two play Jewell blatantly jumps offside, bursts into the backfield, sacks the QB at the 5 and no penalty is called. Would you argue the refs were correct in not calling the penalty on Jewell because it would affect the outcome of the game and, what the heck, Michigan State had 18 prior opportunities to make a play on the field and score?

Games should be decided on the field by players making legal plays. That was not the case here. Michigan State's #75 blatantly and intentionally broke the rules and thereby denied Jewell and opportunity to make a play.

 

[Floyd_Of_Rosedale]

When refs do not call blatant violations of the rules late in games they "affect the outcome of games." To argue otherwise is puerile nonsense.

Reverse the situation and assume on the fourth and two play Jewell blatantly jumps offside, bursts into the backfield, sacks the QB at the 5 and no penalty is called. Would you argue the refs were correct in not calling the penalty on Jewell because it would affect the outcome of the game and, what the heck, Michigan State had 18 prior opportunities to make a play on the field and score?

Games should be decided on the field by players making legal plays. That was not the case here. Michigan State's #75 blatantly and intentionally broke the rules and thereby denied Jewell and opportunity to make a play.

By that theory, the only fair solution would be for the officiating crew to review every single play from the booth, so as to not overlook any missed holding calls.

 

[Oldgold51]

Floyd: This holding/ tackle was not "missed;" rather, this blantant, intentional and in plain view violation of the rules was not called.

What I am advocating is that refs call rules violations consistently through the entire game. Swallowing their whistles in the late stages of games is not fair.

 

[Floyd_Of_Rosedale]

Floyd: This holding/ tackle was not "missed;" rather, this blantant, intentional and in plain view violation of the rules was not called.

What I am advocating is that refs call rules violations consistently through the entire game. Swallowing their whistles in the late stages of games is not fair.

Did you notice the illegal block as the play happened live? I didn't.

It wasn't even mentioned here until the day after the game, and only from an angle that the refs don't have.

IOWA got away with a few of their own missed calls.

 

[Oldgold51]

This hold/ tackle was on the ball, blatant and in the open. The ref standing behind Cook had a close and clear view of it.

I can accept they missed the motion by the FB on this penultimate play, but not this egregious and intentional hold/ tackle that resulted in Jewell being pulled off the ball carrier.

On the video up-thread look at what occurs at the 3-4 and 29 second spots.

 

[starbrown]

While I would like to have it called because it helps Iowa and I would like officials to be 100% during a game, I remember the Tate to Holloway and the missed block in the back that could've changed the outcome of that game. It sucks no doubt. But FB is a game played by people and officiated by people. To expect perfection seems like silliness. Of course I am still angry about the Michigan and Fla games in 2005 where the refs were obviously trying to take the game from Iowa. The MSU game seems more like human error than a conspiracy.

 

[Floyd_Of_Rosedale]

This hold/ tackle was on the ball, blatant and in the open. The ref standing behind Cook had a close and clear view of it.

I can accept they missed the motion by the FB on this penultimate play, but not this egregious and intentional hold/ tackle that resulted in Jewell being pulled off the ball carrier.

On the video up-thread look at what occurs at the 3-4 and 29 second spots.

If you look even closer....the illegal play didn't only take Josey Jewell out of the play, it also wiped out Ben Nieman.

So how do you know where the refs are looking and who has the angle to see it?

 

[bigfridaynite]

Mich St. Probably scores on next play or Jj doesn't make the tackle who knows the point is there is 8 refs on the field at every angle possible you can't tell me that one of them didn't look right at it and choose not to call it.I don't give a shi& who was playing it was a bad no call

 

[Floyd_Of_Rosedale]

Mich St. Probably scores on next play or Jj doesn't make the tackle who knows the point is there is 8 refs on the field at every angle possible you can't tell me that one of them didn't look right at it and choose not to call it.I don't give a shi& who was playing it was a bad no call

The best angle was from the umpire standing in the end zone....watch him as IOWA stuffs the middle. He doesn't know where the ball is.

 

[bigfridaynite]

That's what the problem was every ref was watching the ball like a fan and not doing there assignment it is that simple.

 

[Oldgold51]

At the 9 second mark you see the ref run in from behind the play.

Remember, it happened in the open on the ball and it was blatant .

 

[Floyd_Of_Rosedale]

Go cry me a river....

This is bringing back memories of the Penn State crowd some years ago.

 

[HoundedHawk]

The best angle was from the umpire standing in the end zone....watch him as IOWA stuffs the middle. He doesn't know where the ball is.

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Just looking at the still is a bummer. Jewel's eyes are six inches from his, his arm is around his waist at the 4 yard line. Niemann is in front of him, and Cole is closing in, and the guy still scores with King hitting him at the three.