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So let's say we get free college....

HawktimusPrime

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Let's answer some questions here:

-Are students more likely to fall victim to losing interest, getting lazy, dropping out or failing like some that actually paid for it have? If some lack motivation while paying, what happens for those not paying?

-Do all institutions go by this free plan? As in, does Harvard tuition equal DMACC tuition....which would be free. If some are free and some aren't, then what does that do to the not free schools?

-How many chances do you get if you fail? Or is it just always free? Do you have a limit and if so, what happens if you got that limit? No more education for you?

-What all do you get for free? Free room, free tuition, free books, etc? What is a student fiscally responsible for?

-How do you deal with the numbers of student enrollments? If the spots available are simply limited? If it is free now, isn't that an automatic jump in student populations that schools would need YEARS to compensate for.

-If it's free, then would academic standards for who gets into school matter? If it does still matter, then does it become a matter of who scores higher on their SAT's/ACT's? If so, then how does that really change anything, if for say, the class sizes stay the same, due to lack of budge for expansions? Which would be very likely as nothing is unlimited.

-Are there age restrictions? Or are there any age groups that get first served? What happens when older people decide they want to up their education and start claiming for spots that most people may believe should be reserved for the youthful?

-Does the taxpayer in the workforce get pushed aside for the younger unemployed person as far as enrollment goes? Is it fair for someone who is simply unemployed to get first dibs over someone who works and is actually paying their share into this? What if the one that works is in a dead end job? Questions, questions.

-If tax money is what makes it free, then should not the taxpayer have a say in the standards of enrollment, student qualifications and results? If we were to be forced into getting taxed for this, what guarantee does the government promise to students and the tax payers? What obligations is the government responsible for?

-What obligations do the students have whilat receiving this for free, being they likely won't have the time to work full-time jobs and therefore aren't paying into it as much as someone on the job force is. What do they do as far as contributions go? It's free, they should at least have some responsibility measures for what they get for free.

How the hell does free college work in the end?
 
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these questions/issues dont exist in Bernies world.


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I wouldn't worry about it too much. Ds aren't going to control the house anytime soon.
 
First not enough doctors. Next not enough professors. Education will be worse just like future health care. Making America better
 
Instead of paying a one shot $50k tuition bill.

You'd get taxed over your entire life for about $100k.

That's how "free" works.
Lol. $100k over your entire life instead of $50k one time, and only if you can afford to pay, if you don't make enough, you'd pay less (fewer taxes).

I don't think you realize how amazing that deal is. Were you suggesting that was bad? :)
 
Lol. $100k over your entire life instead of $50k one time, and only if you can afford to pay, if you don't make enough, you'd pay less (fewer taxes).

I don't think you realize how amazing that deal is. Were you suggesting that was bad? :)
That's a projection Da Ragle. That is not an actual number. It would be a lot more than that. Feel free to try and answer some of the questions if you could. Or just give an idea.
 
Who pays 50k in one shot at age 18? You are already paying 100k over your life.
Which school are we talking here? Harvard? Grand View? Are all schools now of equal value in this free world of education?

Also, he means a single debt. Rather than one you continue to pay for over and over and over and over and over and another over.
 
That's a projection Da Ragle. That is not an actual number. It would be a lot more than that. Feel free to try and answer some of the questions if you could. Or just give an idea.
Well he chose a projection that would be an amazing deal and suggested it would be bad. That's funny. The fact is students often face crushing debt in the current system. "Free" college will always be better for the student. Always. Their education is being subsidized by the people paying taxes who don't take advantage of "free" college. The student will absolutely come out ahead here. The theory is that this is a worthwhile investment for society to make... which should probably be the focal point of your attacks. I agree wholeheartedly that is debatable.

If you're going to bash something, that has plenty of questions and legitimate opportunities to bash, don't highlight the biggest benefit for the student. Lol.
 
Instead of paying a one shot $50k tuition bill.

You'd get taxed over your entire life for about $100k.

That's how "free" works.

One of those is affordable for everyone, the other is only affordable for a relatively small portion of the population.

100k over my lifetime vs. 50k with no guaranteed income is a no brainer.

Although, to be more accurate, there are very few places you can get a 4 year degree for less than 100k these days.
 
Which school are we talking here? Harvard? Grand View? Are all schools now of equal value in this free world of education?

Also, he means a single debt. Rather than one you continue to pay for over and over and over and over and over and another over.
Ask the guy who made up the numbers.
 
I'm shocked there are still people who are clueless about how money and interest works. Do conspiracy theorists keep their money in mattresses and buried in the backyard because they don't trust banks?
 
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"Free" college is a bad idea. That said, states paid most of the budgets of state universities not that many years ago.
 
Well he chose a projection that would be an amazing deal and suggested it would be bad. That's funny. The fact is students often face crushing debt in the current system. "Free" college will always be better for the student. Always. Their education is being subsidized by the people paying taxes who don't take advantage of "free" college. The student will absolutely come out ahead here. The theory is that this is a worthwhile investment for society to make... which should probably be the focal point of your attacks. I agree wholeheartedly that is debatable.

If you're going to bash something, that has plenty of questions and legitimate opportunities to bash, don't highlight the biggest benefit for the student. Lol.
How crushing can it be when they can pay the minimum $100 a month? Also, it takes spending money to make money correct? Should a degree that can lead to a possible $100K plus a year, not be worth at least half of that?
 
First not enough doctors. Next not enough professors. Education will be worse just like future health care. Making America better

Quit it. All that matters is how it sounds prior to the election. After the election they can blame the Rpubs got its failure.
 
So your all agreeable for being in debt from cradle to grave with no hope of shedding the yoke.
Not to mention the fact that some are paying for something they may never use, or even need to. Some of the most successful people I know didn't go to at all, or didn't graduate college. They found a business they clicked with, worked their way up, and their experience and savvy led them up the ladder.

In that case, the person who worked their way to success is being forced to pay for something that isn't even a guarantee to return on their investment, a forced investment by the way.

How many more f'n taxes do Americans really need? They're forced to buy insurance, they're forced to pay state taxes, property taxes, Federal Taxes, state taxes, etc. In the end, how does this really help anyone out? How does this also help drive down the costs of education? By that I mean the actual price charged to American taxpayers from the educational institutions?
 
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So you're all agreeable for being in debt from cradle to grave with no hope of shedding the yoke.
Also, it should be added that this would be ANOTHER debt you will pay for life, without any guarantee that you will actually get anything out of it. Also who makes sure this doesn't go downhill like most government taxed programs do?

Cut the budget here(Education), so we can fatten the budget here(War). The military gets new bombs, the schools get recycled and outdated books.
 
Not to mention the fact that some are paying for something they may never use, or even need to. Some of the most successful people I know didn't go to at all, or didn't graduate college. They found a business they clicked with, worked their way up, and their experience and savvy led them up the ladder.

In that case, the person who worked their way to success is being forced to pay for something that isn't even a guarantee to return on their investment, a forced investment by the way.

How many more f'n taxes do Americans really need? They're forced to buy insurance, they're forced to pay state taxes, property taxes, Federal Taxes, state taxes, etc. In the end, how does this really help anyone out? How does this also help drive down the costs of education? By that I mean the actual price charged to American taxpayers from the educational institutions?

Well done Hawktimus!!!! Your points have singlehandedly exposed Bernie. I applaud you.
 
How crushing can it be when they can pay the minimum $100 a month? Also, it takes spending money to make money correct? Should a degree that can lead to a possible $100K plus a year, not be worth at least half of that?
I have no idea who or what you're arguing against but it isn't me or anything I've said.
 
I've made peace with that reality. I suggest you do too. It's not like you've ever known any different.
Hmmmmmmmm. That just made me realize that life insurance on each American might reduce a nice chunk of the debt. :confused:
 
This statement is a big part of humanities problem.
In European nations, these types of programs are more competitive if you are attending on the government's dime. In other words, you can major in philosophy if you are very bright/qualified and out-compete other candidates for a limited number of slots, or if you are wealthy enough you can major in philosophy on your own dime.
 
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Hmmmmmmmm. That just made me realize that life insurance on each American might reduce a nice chunk of the debt. :confused:
Roman Emperors did something like this. Made the State the beneficiary then offed them. Trump himself suggested a wealth tax to retire the debt many years ago.
 
Roman Emperors did something like this. Made the State the beneficiary then offed them. Trump himself suggested a wealth tax to retire the debt many years ago.

You use the example of a Roman emperor when the Romans practiced a true Democratic society?

That's why they crashed and burned and that's why the founder's decided to institute a Republic instead of a Democracy.
 
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You use the example of a Roman emperor when the Romans practiced a true Democratic society?

That's why they crashed and burned and that's why the founder's decided to institute a Republic instead of a Democracy.
Stop. Rome was never a democracy. It was a republic for a time, but not after the emperors took over.
 
All I did in college was drink in chase women. You guys make me regret that.
 
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