So let's say we get free college....

[Hawk-A-Doodle-Doo]

I'm not endorsing Bernie's plan, but a quick look at his site answers some of these I think.

No in-state v. out of state. Public universities would be free. You have to apply and be accepted, the more prestigious would be more difficult to get into.

No cap, tuition is free. You have to be accepted and could flunk out.

You could go anywhere, you have to apply and be accepted. It's not being paid for locally.

Don't have to pay it back, tuition is free, nothing to pay back.

No limit on majors, you can take whatever a college offers as long as you continue to meet the standards for the program.

No post grad analysis. Seems like a good idea even in today's system. Students should understand the marketability of their major vs. cost of attaining it. I know there was such data when I was in college for my major, you just had to care enough to look.

Not an endorsememt, just hoping to move the convo along.

Basically it's just going to exponentially increase the number of kids applying to Michigan, Virginia, Cal Berkeley, et.al....and open up a huge can of litigation worms for all the equally qualified kids who don't get to go to their dream school for 'free'. So some kids are going to get a $150,000 education, and others a $70,000 education and everyone is just supposed to be a-ok with this? Will the kids who were equally qualified to get into Virginia but didn't get in solely on a numbers basis, and ended up at Western Carolina, get a check from the government for the difference? Or is that just "luck of the draw" in the new "free college" America?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Basically it's just going to exponentially increase the number of kids applying to Michigan, Virginia, Cal Berkeley, et.al....and open up a huge can of litigation worms for all the equally qualified kids who don't get to go to their dream school for 'free'. So some kids are going to get a $150,000 education, and others a $70,000 education and everyone is just supposed to be a-ok with this? Will the kids who were equally qualified to get into Virginia but didn't get in solely on a numbers basis, and ended up at Western Carolina, get a check from the government for the difference? Or is that just "luck of the draw" in the new "free college" America?

Not to mention that if the Universities are automatically going to receive this money via the Government, what guarantees do we get from the University? This automatically opens the school to nearly if not complete control via the Government. Which knowing anything else in America, will result in inefficient service, resources, etc.

One day maybe you big government types will wake up and see that the government cannot, should not, and most of all does not have the ability to control everything. An entity that is killing people around the world, invading countries, is $20 trillion in debt, is full of corruption, and flat out has done nothing but increase the wealth gap is what you worship.

How if you are all so well educated do you not see this?

 

[naturalmwa]

Not to mention that if the Universities are automatically going to receive this money via the Government, what guarantees do we get from the University? This automatically opens the school to nearly if not complete control via the Government. Which knowing anything else in America, will result in inefficient service, resources, etc.

One day maybe you big government types will wake up and see that the government cannot, should not, and most of all does not have the ability to control everything. An entity that is killing people around the world, invading countries, is $20 trillion in debt, is full of corruption, and flat out has done nothing but increase the wealth gap is what you worship.

How if you are all so well educated do you not see this?

You scare easily.

 

[22*43*51]

I've made peace with that reality. I suggest you do too. It's not like you've ever known any different.

See eager to be ruled.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

You scare easily.

I'm not the one who is fearful. You're the one catering to it like wormtongue to Sauramon.

Just something for you to think about.

 

[naturalmwa]

I'm not the one who is fearful. You're the one catering to it like wormtongue to Sauramon.

Just something for you to think about.

I'm going to need pics

 

[22*43*51]

I'm not the one who is fearful. You're the one catering to it like wormtongue to Sauramon.

Just something for you to think about.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

I'm going to need pics

It's too ban worthy to share here.

 

[naturalmwa]

I had no idea 80 year old nerds were so happy. I wonder why that would be? I'm betting it takes that long to master Elvish so you can read Lord of the Rings in the original vernacular.

 

[The Tradition]

I had no idea 80 year old nerds were so happy. I wonder why that would be? I'm betting it takes that long to master Elvish so you can read Lord of the Rings in the original vernacular.

Clue: The Nerds get rich and take over the world in the end.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Clue: The Nerds get rich and take over the world in the end.

Unfortunately the bad kids have used the nerds to take over the world.

 

[The Tradition]

Unfortunately the bad kids have used the nerds to take over the world.

FBI v. Apple is a good example.

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

Basically it's just going to exponentially increase the number of kids applying to Michigan, Virginia, Cal Berkeley, et.al....and open up a huge can of litigation worms for all the equally qualified kids who don't get to go to their dream school for 'free'. So some kids are going to get a $150,000 education, and others a $70,000 education and everyone is just supposed to be a-ok with this? Will the kids who were equally qualified to get into Virginia but didn't get in solely on a numbers basis, and ended up at Western Carolina, get a check from the government for the difference? Or is that just "luck of the draw" in the new "free college" America?

Unintended consequences...^^^

And these would be just SOME of them. As someone else said, how can you consider yourself educated and fall for a proposal like this?

 

[SoDakHawk]

Let's cut to the chase, what effect would this have on Iowa Football recruiting? If we're limited to recruiting only in-state kids we are screwed as a football program on the national level.

 

[Raglefant]

Basically it's just going to exponentially increase the number of kids applying to Michigan, Virginia, Cal Berkeley, et.al....and open up a huge can of litigation worms for all the equally qualified kids who don't get to go to their dream school for 'free'. So some kids are going to get a $150,000 education, and others a $70,000 education and everyone is just supposed to be a-ok with this? Will the kids who were equally qualified to get into Virginia but didn't get in solely on a numbers basis, and ended up at Western Carolina, get a check from the government for the difference? Or is that just "luck of the draw" in the new "free college" America?

I'm not defending the plan. I agree it's not going to happen. But why would increased competition to get into schools lead to more litigation? Kids get rejected now, I would guess almost all schools reject applicants. Why is a higher bar a bad thing? It's not luck of the draw, it's taking the best applicants. I could see why rich families might not like this, but I would guess donations to the institutions might remain a useful part of a kids application.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Let's cut to the chase, what effect would this have on Iowa Football recruiting? If we're limited to recruiting only in-state kids we are screwed as a football program on the national level.

/thread

 

[SoDakHawk]

NM

 

[22*43*51]

Basically it's just going to exponentially increase the number of kids applying to Michigan, Virginia, Cal Berkeley, et.al....and open up a huge can of litigation worms for all the equally qualified kids who don't get to go to their dream school for 'free'. So some kids are going to get a $150,000 education, and others a $70,000 education and everyone is just supposed to be a-ok with this? Will the kids who were equally qualified to get into Virginia but didn't get in solely on a numbers basis, and ended up at Western Carolina, get a check from the government for the difference? Or is that just "luck of the draw" in the new "free college" America?

The smart kids would get hit with a "Cadillac" education tax.

You know, for being unfairly smart and stuff.

 

[naturalmwa]

The smart kids would get hit with a "Cadillac" education tax.

You know, for being unfairly smart and stuff.

Only after they get rich.

 

[22*43*51]

Only after they get rich.

Getting rich isn't possible in this new "free" world.

The collective cannot abide "rich".

 

[naturalmwa]

Getting rich isn't possible in this new "free" world.

The collective cannot abide "rich".

Then you won't have to pay the tax. Problem solved.

 

[Vroom_C14]

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend, and didn’t really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, “How is your friend Audrey doing?” She replied, “Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.”

Her wise father asked his daughter, “Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.”

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, “That wouldn’t be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!”

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, “Welcome to the Republican party.”

 

[22*43*51]

Then you won't have to pay the tax. Problem solved.

Without tax the whole thing collapses.

 

[naturalmwa]

Without tax the whole thing collapses.

Then I guess the whole thing will let people get rich or it won't ever be. Either way, there is no problem.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

This could have been a non issue in Iowa.

When casinos opened in Iowa much of the profit should have went to the Iowa colleges. It was money we didn't have before. It would have been perfect.

Can't even get a ban on casinos for smoking inside the facility, which is illegal in every other building in the state. I have no idea how we'd get them taxed more heavily.

 

[Raglefant]

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend, and didn’t really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, “How is your friend Audrey doing?” She replied, “Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.”

Her wise father asked his daughter, “Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.”

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, “That wouldn’t be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!”

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, “Welcome to the Republican party.”

Good parable. Do you mind if I post it on Facebook? I'm going to unfriend everyone who likes it.

 

[IMCC965]

Nope. Look it up if you won't believe me. It should be obvious an Emperor is not a democratic institution. The bread and circuses was how the empire distracted and controlled the mob.

No. It turned into a mob BECAUSE of bread and circuses. Govt started giving crap away and, low and behold, they wanted more, and more, and more, until it turned into chaos.

 

[naturalmwa]

No. It turned into a mob BECAUSE of bread and circuses. Govt started giving crap away and, low and behold, they wanted more, and more, and more, until it turned into chaos.

That's a fine story, but it's not history. Really, go look it up. Its not hidden knowledge. I'm not leading you wrong.

 

[Hawk-A-Doodle-Doo]

Unfortunately the bad kids have used the nerds to take over the world.

Don't forget some of the jocks convert to nerds and help in their quest for world domination.

 

[83Hawk]

Of course, those who support "free" college don't take into account the fact that most...if not all colleges/universities are not equipped to handle the massive influx of students that would take place. There won't be enough professors, classroom space, or housing.

Oh well.....just raise taxes even more and throw money at the problem.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Don't forget some of the jocks convert to nerds and help in their quest for world domination.

Oh Lambda truest, I am the newest, member, of your clan.

 

[Raglefant]

Of course, those who support "free" college don't take into account the fact that most...if not all colleges/universities are not equipped to handle the massive influx of students that would take place. There won't be enough professors, classroom space, or housing.

Oh well.....just raise taxes even more and throw money at the problem.

I'm not for free college, but colleges wouldn't have to start taking everyone. But I do agree that we should raise taxes. I'm a lib, so I love waste, so instead of hiring more teachers and stuff let's just burn the money in a bonfire along with the constitution? I figure it's time to start being honest about our goals as libs.

 

[83Hawk]

I'm not for free college, but colleges wouldn't have to start taking everyone. But I do agree that we should raise taxes. I'm a lib, so I love waste, so instead of hiring more teachers and stuff let's just burn the money in a bonfire along with the constitution? I figure it's time to start being honest about our goals as libs.

If the government is paying the freight you better believe colleges will be required to take everyone.

 

[The Tradition]

If the government is paying the freight you better believe colleges will be required to take everyone.

Truth.

 

[Raglefant]

If the government is paying the freight you better believe colleges will be required to take everyone.

That's silly as fvck.