Socialized Medicine

[thewop]

I can't vouch for this Canadian woman's story and her comparison of US to Canadian hospitals, BUT I can say with 100% confidence that it sounds very similar to things my UK employees said to me about their experiences with the UK health system.

 

[McLovin32]

“Truthseeker01011”


Jesus ****ing Christ, OP

 

[wausauhawk]

“Truthseeker01011”


Jesus ****ing Christ, OP

I bet his social media feed is.....interesting

 

[BioHawk]

Yeah, she's completely full of shit.

 

[goldmom]

My late husband was the President and CEO of a Canadian subsidiary of his American company and he shared a story with me about a woman in his Toronto office who was diagnosed with Stage II
Breast cancer. She was given the option of an 8 month wait list for treatment in the Ontario Province or she could relocate to Calgary and get an apartment (out of pocket) to get surgery and follow up chemo within the month.
He said her parents were able to help out her husband because they had two school age kids but she was mostly by herself out in Alberta Province.
It was a province budgeting issue - Ontario had used up most of their surgical and chemo budget, it was later in the fiscal year and Alberta Province was able to take her since they still had some budget left.
Imagine you get sick and live in Iowa and the Government says we can help you if you can get yourself to Boise Idaho.

 

[SSG T]

Canada's problem isn't socialized medicine. Canada's problem is the limits many of the provinces have on who can get licensed and the procedures to get licensed. They are WAY short on Dr's and it's almost entirely self inflicted.

 

[SSG T]

My late husband was the President and CEO of a Canadian subsidiary of his American company and he shared a story with me about a woman in his Toronto office who was diagnosed with Stage II
Breast cancer. She was given the option of an 8 month wait list for treatment in the Ontario Province or she could relocate to Calgary and get an apartment (out of pocket) to get surgery and follow up chemo within the month.
He said her parents were able to help out her husband because they had two school age kids but she was mostly by herself out in Alberta Province.
It was a province budgeting issue - Ontario had used up most of their surgical and chemo budget, it was later in the fiscal year and Alberta Province was able to take her since they still had some budget left.
Imagine you get sick and live in Iowa and the Government says we can help you if you can get yourself to Boise Idaho.

So, like many states abortion laws minus they whole "If you try to leave we'll charge you with murder"

 

[goldmom]

So, like many states abortion laws minus they whole "If you try to leave we'll charge you with murder"

I wouldn’t know. 🤷‍♀️

 

[3 and Out on D]

When people say socialized medicine, what is really needed is socialized medial insurance. Keep actual healthcare close to what it currently is or improve on it but socialize the insurance. Problem solved.

 

[Tom Paris]

I can't vouch for thus Canadian woman's story and her comparison of US to Canadian hospitals, BUT I can say with 100% confidence that it sounds very similar to things my UK employees said to me about their experiences with the UK health system.

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Nobody would trade with us.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

We have the best doctors and the worst system for paying for healthcare.

There is plenty of anecdotal evidence of Canadians liking their system too.

None of that is relevant to the issue of government provided healthcare.

 

[thewop]

Nobody would trade with us.

They absolutely would. I've had that exact conversation with British people.

 

[DogBoyRy]

Canada's problem isn't socialized medicine. Canada's problem is the limits many of the provinces have on who can get licensed and the procedures to get licensed. They are WAY short on Dr's and it's almost entirely self inflicted.

AMA sound familiar….

 

[WDSMHAWK]

They absolutely would. I've had that exact conversation with British people.

Lol

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[ThorneStockton]

And to think the OP is likely a relative intellectual among the board's conservatives. Let that sink in.

 

[artradley]

I can't vouch for this Canadian woman's story and her comparison of US to Canadian hospitals, BUT I can say with 100% confidence that it sounds very similar to things my UK employees said to me about their experiences with the UK health system.

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The fact that conservatives depend almost 100% on social media for their information is why MAGA owns the GOP.

 

[artradley]

We have the best doctors and the worst system for paying for healthcare.

So much this. Nobody would design the system we have if they had the chance to start from scratch. It’s completely irrational and stupendously inefficient. Not to mention unfair.

 

[artradley]

I can't vouch for this Canadian woman's story and her comparison of US to Canadian hospitals, BUT I can say with 100% confidence that it sounds very similar to things my UK employees said to me about their experiences with the UK health system.

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I honestly feel bad for you that you are not embarrassed to post something like this.

 

[Here_4_a_Day]

I can't vouch for this Canadian woman's story and her comparison of US to Canadian hospitals, BUT I can say with 100% confidence that it sounds very similar to things my UK employees said to me about their experiences with the UK health system.

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0bombo's ACA absolutely gutted America's healthcare system.

 

[markfromj]

When people say socialized medicine, what is really needed is socialized medial insurance. Keep actual healthcare close to what it currently is or improve on it but socialize the insurance. Problem solved.

Yes, where the insurance “company” is one that is $35 Trillion in debt.

You think insurance companies deny care. Wait until it is the Feds.

 

[seminole97]

Yes, where the insurance “company” is one that is $35 Trillion in debt.

You think insurance companies deny care. Wait until it is the Feds.

When clamoring for ‘other people payer’ systems the assumption is that it means unlimited supply, when it just means the bean counter won’t be you.

 

[HawkeyeHitman]

I honestly feel bad for you that you are not embarrassed to post something like this.

I honestly don’t feel bad for you that you’re not embarrassed that you can’t do anything productive in life.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Yes, where the insurance “company” is one that is $35 Trillion in debt.

You think insurance companies deny care. Wait until it is the Feds.

You mean like what we used to have

 

[lucas80]

I honestly feel bad for you that you are not embarrassed to post something like this.

Don't feel embarrassed. The FSB is paying him well to post here.

 

[Tom Paris]

They absolutely would. I've had that exact conversation with British people.

No damn way they want to pay the costs we pay. It’s not a for profit racket in Britain. It is here.

 

[HawkeyeHitman]

No damn way they want to pay the costs we pay. It’s not a for profit racket in Britain. It is here.

You don’t pay anything.

 

[Urohawk]

Yes, where the insurance “company” is one that is $35 Trillion in debt.

You think insurance companies deny care. Wait until it is the Feds.

This is one of the dumbest statements I've seen. I've never once seen Medicare deny any care. Not once.

 

[Flie]

Yes, where the insurance “company” is one that is $35 Trillion in debt.

You think insurance companies deny care. Wait until it is the Feds.

I feel bad for our military having to suffer through the horror of socialized medicine. They probably routinely have to travel to distant cities just to receive some vital health care or they get denied.

 

[SA_Hawk]

No damn way they want to pay the costs we pay. It’s not a for profit racket in Britain. It is here.

That must be why the entire UK healthcare system is collapsing. If there isn’t a profit incentive why would you work in that field, work long hours, innovate and advance the profession with new technologies? Eventually someone is going to want to be paid.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

Personally I like the German model best. Basic health insurance for every citizen is guaranteed and the rate for it adjusts based on income level. Then there is option for people to purchase supplemental insurance in case they want specialized care, don’t trust the federal system, etc.

I have a number of German friends/colleagues who have been generally happy with this approach. Everyone is covered without egregious costs, it is much cheaper to administer than the US system, the wait times are not extreme (at least where my colleagues are in Frankfurt/Berlin) and it allows people to have some flexibility on what plans they want based on what they decide to pay.

 

[gohawks50]

When she said they gave me a price list, I knew it was BS. Has anyone ever seen a price list at a hospital? And before anyone makes a comment about insurance, I have been to the emergency room and the hospital with a friend that didn't have any insurance.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Personally I like the German model best. Basic health insurance for every citizen is guaranteed and the rate for it adjusts based on income level. Then there is option for people to purchase supplemental insurance in case they want specialized care, don’t trust the federal system, etc.

I have a number of German friends/colleagues who have been generally happy with this approach. Everyone is covered without egregious costs, it is much cheaper to administer than the US system, the wait times are not extreme (at least where my colleagues are in Frankfurt/Berlin) and it allows people to have some flexibility on what plans they want based on what they decide to pay.

I've been saying Germany is who we should emulate. First because it would be an easier transition than a single payer model. But secondly Germany has more doctors per captia, more hospital beds per capita and more ICU beds per capita than we do.

 

[Nole-4-Life]

I have a cousin who has retired and been traveling the world with her husband for the last two years. Europe, Asia, New Zealand and South America. $200 a month for health insurance that covers everything. They had great experiences when having to see a doctor. The insurance lasts for 3 months back in the states so they come back, stay just shy of three months, then hit the road again.

They're too young for Medicare.

 

[HawkeyeHitman]

Costs would be a lot lower in the United States if hospitals didn’t have to treat fat people and homosexuals males.

 

[goldmom]

Costs would be a lot lower in the United States if hospitals didn’t have to treat fat people and homosexuals males.

😳
Whoa. I guess that fat gay males are off the charts…?

 

[praguehawk]

I have a cousin who has retired and been traveling the world with her husband for the last two years. Europe, Asia, New Zealand and South America. $200 a month for health insurance that covers everything. They had great experiences when having to see a doctor. The insurance lasts for 3 months back in the states so they come back, stay just shy of three months, then hit the road again.

They're too young for Medicare.

This sounds incredible. Any more details about how they are doing it? Did they get residence in one country and then get travel insurance?

 

[Nole-4-Life]

This sounds incredible. Any more details about how they are doing it? Did they get residence in one country and then get travel insurance?

It was some kind of insurance available when you travel like they did. They never got residence anywhere, still US residents.

I really don't know all the details except it was a good deal for them.

They did say New Zealand was expensive tho as far as cost of living in general. They did a lot of backpacking/camping.

 

[goldmom]

It was some kind of insurance available when you travel like they did. They never got residence anywhere, still US residents.

I really don't know all the details except it was a good deal for them.

They did say New Zealand was expensive tho as far as cost of living in general. They did a lot of backpacking/camping.

When I went to Europe last month I got a travel policy that cost me about $225 since Medicare doesn’t work out of the US.
My (no pic) daughter is obviously a lot younger than me and she also got one for less than $50.

 

[markfromj]

You mean like what we used to have

When?

 

[markfromj]

This is one of the dumbest statements I've seen. I've never once seen Medicare deny any care. Not once.

Of course not. Medicare doesn’t have to deny care, because their underpaying of care can be covered by private insurance.

But what about when there is no private insurance? No one else to pick up a good portion of the tab?