Solar + BESS
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I really want solar on the new house. Our neighbor will be building at the same time and says he will help us with it. He’s been basically camping for the past 3 years with solar as his power source.
Do everything electric solar/geothermal/solar thermal. You will save so much money that way.
Solar and batteries will absolutely dominate. As the technology matures and the cost of battery storage comes down you’re going to see it more and more. Currently our battery attachment rate with solar is around 10%. We expect it to double this year and it’s already trending that way. If anyone has any questions on what batteries are capable of and what brands are the best I’m more than happy to help.
This is kind of an issue in Florida…probably best to check with your insurance provider before install.
journalstar.com
Installing rooftop solar panels can get your home insurance canceled
As electric bills surge and the federal government offers generous tax incentives for renewable energy investments, more and more Florida homeowners are seriously considering rooftop solar systems.
It rarely happens, and if that’s the case we have insurance companies that will cover our clients. I’m talking 1 out of 500ish.This is kind of an issue in Florida…probably best to check with your insurance provider before install.
Installing rooftop solar panels can get your home insurance canceled
As electric bills surge and the federal government offers generous tax incentives for renewable energy investments, more and more Florida homeowners are seriously considering rooftop solar systems.
My oldest kid is a junior in high school, and he plans to study engineering with a focus on renewable energy and/or battery technologies. There's a lot of upside.
1) He thinks that it's important to address climate change.
2) It's a growing industry, and will continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
3) Undercutting the market for fossil fuels is the best way to neuter authoritarian regimes in Russia and the Middle East.
I wish I would have known what I wanted to do when I was 17.
1) He thinks that it's important to address climate change.
2) It's a growing industry, and will continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
3) Undercutting the market for fossil fuels is the best way to neuter authoritarian regimes in Russia and the Middle East.
I wish I would have known what I wanted to do when I was 17.
SolarHawk, do you have any good info for solar tiles? Legit companies who do it and costs? Will be getting a new roof within the next 3 years and in the initial glance solar tiles are looking promising.
Currently, they’re dogshit. The technology isn’t there. Tesla has the “best” solar tile product, but it’s not ready for prime time. Also, the cost is insane, for two reasons. The product itself and there’s hardly anyone out there that can install them properly due to being such a niche product at this point. I’m talking $100k or more depending on size of house. Maybe in 3 years when you’re ready to reroof they‘ll have it figured out but I highly doubt it. I’m thinking we’re 10 or more years away from it being viable.
Reading comprehension leaving a little bit to be desired? Maybe it’s just early.
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LOL, I totally misread that part
All you need to do is view the cost-curves for solar and battery tech.
They continue to decline, now undercutting commodity fossil fuels.
This is why the fossil fuel industry has ramped up efforts to extend their use, to minimize how many tens of trillions in assets they have to write off.
Exxon was actually a leader in alternative energy development/exploration back in the 70s/80s. The oil market crash back then lost them billions, and instead of continuing those development efforts, they sold them off and went "all in" on fossil fuels. All of their core research demonstrating they knew all about CO2 greenhouse gases and the risks to the climate were donated to Univ of Texas, where we now know publicly they knew those risks all along.
Their "denial" efforts extending to today are simply a business decision to recoup as many $$ from future stranded assets as they can.
Which will have a 99% correlation to how many times Musk and his bots push it out on people, involuntarily.
Worth a watch. Exxon was big into all kinds of alternative energy stuff back in the 70s/80s (Li-ion batteries, solar, etc). Sold all of those ventures off when oil prices plummeted and went "all in" on fossil fuels, corresponding to the timeframes they started the climate denialism.
The formal records of their internal science, knowing exactly how fossil fuels were going to impact our climate, were donated to the Univ of Texas, where they are now public record.
I’ll be building next fall with hvac/plumbing/electric going in November time frame. I plan to do solar panels with battery, but haven’t looked hard into options or set up yet. Going to go as electric as possible.
Solar, what's the company you work for? I had someone from Lumio cold knock door after dark last night pitching solar and the leasing program. Are the leasing programs more popular than purchasing w/ tax credit? Does it make it complicated if ever sell house? Do you have a FAQ site? Will probably do it sometime if insurance company allows it.
I’m part owner of West Bay Energy. Shoot me an email and I’ll answer all your questions. Leasing is the way to go. Over 90% of our customers are going with the lease option. If you live in Florida, New Jersey, Texas, or Iowa I can get you the best deal possible.
Shane@westbayenergy.com
Essentially the finance company, in our case Sunnova, owns the equipment for the duration of the 25 year lease. There is no tax credit for the purchaser(most people don’t qualify for it anyway, or they have to take it over several years because they don’t have the tax liability). Basically you get a much lower monthly payment(people save on average $50-$100 month vs their utility bill) and because Sunnova owns the equipment, they are responsible for servicing it over the 25 years. Once the 25 year lease ends, the customer has the option to buy the equipment for $1. The lease is very easily transferred should the customer sell their home while still under the lease, happens all the time. I’ve worked with a lot of finance companies over the years, and Sunnova is by far the best. They actually give a shit and they hold the paper unlike most the other banks that sell it. That’s also why Sunnova is in a very strong financial position vs their competitors. There’s alot of banks going out of business right now.
Key moment in the Part 1 of The Power Of Big Oil
Chuck Hagel (who helped to delay action on any form of carbon tax, due to the massive lobbying efforts of Exxon and Koch Industries) admits they lied to him and that he regrets his former actions (as do many of the people who PR firms who represented them, back then - you can see several people who helped Exxon and Koch ~30 years ago now stating they regret they did that, but "it was a paycheck")
JANE McMULLEN:
We now know that Exxon was making a concerted effort through the 1990s to cast doubt on the science. Do you feel that you were misled?
CHUCK HAGEL:
Well, what we now know about some of these large oil companies’ positions, they lied. And yes, I was misled. Others were misled. When they had evidence in their own institutions that countered what they were saying publicly—I mean, they lied.
JANE McMULLEN:
If they had said that, if they had held their hands up then and said, "Yes, this is real," could it have been different?
CHUCK HAGEL:
Oh, absolutely. It would have changed everything. I think it would have changed the average citizen’s appreciation of climate change.
JANE McMULLEN:
And yours?
CHUCK HAGEL:
And mine, of course. It would have put the United States and the world on a whole different track, and today we would have been so much further ahead than we are. It’s cost this country, and it cost the world.
Chuck Hagel (who helped to delay action on any form of carbon tax, due to the massive lobbying efforts of Exxon and Koch Industries) admits they lied to him and that he regrets his former actions (as do many of the people who PR firms who represented them, back then - you can see several people who helped Exxon and Koch ~30 years ago now stating they regret they did that, but "it was a paycheck")
The Power of Big Oil | FRONTLINE
Watch FRONTLINE's three-part documentary examining the fossil fuel industry’s history of casting doubt and delaying action on climate change.
www.pbs.org
JANE McMULLEN:
We now know that Exxon was making a concerted effort through the 1990s to cast doubt on the science. Do you feel that you were misled?
CHUCK HAGEL:
Well, what we now know about some of these large oil companies’ positions, they lied. And yes, I was misled. Others were misled. When they had evidence in their own institutions that countered what they were saying publicly—I mean, they lied.
JANE McMULLEN:
If they had said that, if they had held their hands up then and said, "Yes, this is real," could it have been different?
CHUCK HAGEL:
Oh, absolutely. It would have changed everything. I think it would have changed the average citizen’s appreciation of climate change.
JANE McMULLEN:
And yours?
CHUCK HAGEL:
And mine, of course. It would have put the United States and the world on a whole different track, and today we would have been so much further ahead than we are. It’s cost this country, and it cost the world.
Key moment in the Part 1 of The Power Of Big Oil
Chuck Hagel (who helped to delay action on any form of carbon tax, due to the massive lobbying efforts of Exxon and Koch Industries) admits they lied to him and that he regrets his former actions (as do many of the people who PR firms who represented them, back then - you can see several people who helped Exxon and Koch ~30 years ago now stating they regret they did that, but "it was a paycheck")
The Power of Big Oil | FRONTLINE
Watch FRONTLINE's three-part documentary examining the fossil fuel industry’s history of casting doubt and delaying action on climate change.www.pbs.org
JANE McMULLEN:
We now know that Exxon was making a concerted effort through the 1990s to cast doubt on the science. Do you feel that you were misled?
CHUCK HAGEL:
Well, what we now know about some of these large oil companies’ positions, they lied. And yes, I was misled. Others were misled. When they had evidence in their own institutions that countered what they were saying publicly—I mean, they lied.
JANE McMULLEN:
If they had said that, if they had held their hands up then and said, "Yes, this is real," could it have been different?
CHUCK HAGEL:
Oh, absolutely. It would have changed everything. I think it would have changed the average citizen’s appreciation of climate change.
JANE McMULLEN:
And yours?
CHUCK HAGEL:
And mine, of course. It would have put the United States and the world on a whole different track, and today we would have been so much further ahead than we are. It’s cost this country, and it cost the world.
Key moment in the Part 1 of The Power Of Big Oil
Chuck Hagel (who helped to delay action on any form of carbon tax, due to the massive lobbying efforts of Exxon and Koch Industries) admits they lied to him and that he regrets his former actions (as do many of the people who PR firms who represented them, back then - you can see several people who helped Exxon and Koch ~30 years ago now stating they regret they did that, but "it was a paycheck")
The Power of Big Oil | FRONTLINE
Watch FRONTLINE's three-part documentary examining the fossil fuel industry’s history of casting doubt and delaying action on climate change.www.pbs.org
JANE McMULLEN:
We now know that Exxon was making a concerted effort through the 1990s to cast doubt on the science. Do you feel that you were misled?
CHUCK HAGEL:
Well, what we now know about some of these large oil companies’ positions, they lied. And yes, I was misled. Others were misled. When they had evidence in their own institutions that countered what they were saying publicly—I mean, they lied.
JANE McMULLEN:
If they had said that, if they had held their hands up then and said, "Yes, this is real," could it have been different?
CHUCK HAGEL:
Oh, absolutely. It would have changed everything. I think it would have changed the average citizen’s appreciation of climate change.
JANE McMULLEN:
And yours?
CHUCK HAGEL:
And mine, of course. It would have put the United States and the world on a whole different track, and today we would have been so much further ahead than we are. It’s cost this country, and it cost the world.
@Hawk_82 thoughts my brother?
What’s it like learning that you’ve been lied to for thirty+ years by bad actors?
That’s got to sting a little.
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Solar plus efficient and cost effective storage is obviously the holy grail,.. we aren't there yet.
Key moment in the Part 1 of The Power Of Big Oil
Chuck Hagel (who helped to delay action on any form of carbon tax, due to the massive lobbying efforts of Exxon and Koch Industries) admits they lied to him and that he regrets his former actions (as do many of the people who PR firms who represented them, back then - you can see several people who helped Exxon and Koch ~30 years ago now stating they regret they did that, but "it was a paycheck")
The Power of Big Oil | FRONTLINE
Watch FRONTLINE's three-part documentary examining the fossil fuel industry’s history of casting doubt and delaying action on climate change.www.pbs.org
JANE McMULLEN:
We now know that Exxon was making a concerted effort through the 1990s to cast doubt on the science. Do you feel that you were misled?
CHUCK HAGEL:
Well, what we now know about some of these large oil companies’ positions, they lied. And yes, I was misled. Others were misled. When they had evidence in their own institutions that countered what they were saying publicly—I mean, they lied.
JANE McMULLEN:
If they had said that, if they had held their hands up then and said, "Yes, this is real," could it have been different?
CHUCK HAGEL:
Oh, absolutely. It would have changed everything. I think it would have changed the average citizen’s appreciation of climate change.
JANE McMULLEN:
And yours?
CHUCK HAGEL:
And mine, of course. It would have put the United States and the world on a whole different track, and today we would have been so much further ahead than we are. It’s cost this country, and it cost the world.
Let's be honest. Reasonably intelligent people who claimed not to know, didn't want to know, Hagel included. The consumers of right-wing media happily took their cues from their corporate-owned right-wing leaders and purveyors of misinformation.
“This is a landmark milestone in the transition to clean energy. It’s the first time a battery has been used by a major utility to balance the grid: providing fast frequency response, synthetic inertia, and black start. This project is a postcard from the future — batteries will soon be providing these services, at scale, on the mainland.” - Brandon Keefe
@SolarHawk could you dumb it down for us? Is this really groundbreaking paradigm shift or just big talk?
Hell, I knew what I wanted to do before I was 7, and then I got these stupid glasses in 8th grade…
Likely true for most homes. I would think the OP tweet anecdote was primarily referring to industrial scale projects energy generation and battery storage.
The costs of industrial scale solar panel installations and batteries have come down like 90% in 10 years and they are still dropping. Other energy sources soon may not be able to compete on costs.
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If you’re looking at it as ROI, you’re doing it wrong. Solar saves you money day 1. Your utility rates go up by double digit percentages every year. Without exception this is true. Why do you think the utilities fight tooth and nail against 1:1 net metering? If you have 1:1 net metering in your state, and you have good sun exposure on your house, do yourself a solid and go solar. I’m telling you guys, it’s gonna save you serious money.
If you have net metering, then you'll get paid each month what you deliver back to the grid.
And, if appropriate legislation gets passed, you'd get paid a ton during summer months when demand is higher and rates/net metering prices are highest.
Depends on what the energy buyback rules are in your state/area.
I did a PPA for a govt entity with a firm no longer in business.
Solar burned me once. (pun intended)
I won't do that again
Solar burned me once. (pun intended)
I won't do that again
LOL - we can't even keep EV batteries charged when it gets chilly out. How in the world do they expect store the power collected by solar panels?
Huge leaking batteries underground? Sounds like a great idea if you don't drink water.
Someone doesn't understand basic battery technologies...
