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In case you all need a kick in the nuts to remind you how stupidly dominant PSU is, they brought 5 back-ups (mostly freshmen) to the admittedly watered down Scuffle tournament and are currently sitting in 3rd place just before the finals begins. They have four in the finals and 1 wrestling for 3rd. 🤦🏻‍♂️
All blue chip recruits. None of their regular recruits won more than 1 match. I'm sure Ludington and DeLuca can place there next year, as well as Voinivich, Ferrari and Kale Peterson.
 
It’s sad to see how watered down Midlands/Scuffle has become.. the prestige is gone it’s basically meaningless …
I retort. NCAA wrestling (re Scuffle/Midlands) is not 'sad'; it is not 'watered down'; the 'prestige is not gone"; and NCAA wrestling is not 'meaningless'. In fact wrestling continues to improve, and wrestlers continues to perform at exceedingly high levels.

Although I attended neither the Soldier Salute nor the Southern Scuffle, I did attend the 60th Annual Ken Kraft Midlands Wrestling Championship. You may rest assured knowing amatuer wrestling is alive, and flourishes in Hoffman Estates, Illinois. Facts would seem to indicate your judgement is both hastey and unwise. Wrestling "ain't circling the drain yet ..." (Twain paraphrased).
 
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I retort. NCAA wrestling (re Scuffle/Midlands) is not 'sad'; it is not 'watered down'; the 'prestige is not gone"; and NCAA wrestling is not 'meaningless'. In fact wrestling continue improve, and wrestlers continue to perform at exceedingly high levels.

Although I attended neither the Soldier Salute nor the Southern Scuffle, I did attend the 60th Annual Ken Kraft Midlands Wrestling Championship. You may rest assured knowing amatuer wrestling is alive, and flourishes in Hoffman Estates, Illinois. Facts would seem to indicate your judgement is both hastey and unwise. Wrestling "ain't circling the drain yet ..." (Twain).
Midlands attendance was all time bad this year.
 
I retort. NCAA wrestling (re Scuffle/Midlands) is not 'sad'; it is not 'watered down'; the 'prestige is not gone"; and NCAA wrestling is not 'meaningless'. In fact wrestling continue improve, and wrestlers continue to perform at exceedingly high levels.

Although I attended neither the Soldier Salute nor the Southern Scuffle, I did attend the 60th Annual Ken Kraft Midlands Wrestling Championship. You may rest assured knowing amatuer wrestling is alive, and flourishes in Hoffman Estates, Illinois. Facts would seem to indicate your judgement is both hastey and unwise. Wrestling "ain't circling the drain yet ..." (Twain paraphrased).
Y r u twisting what I said bruh..

I was only talking about how Midlands/Scuffle ain’t the same anymore.. used to be the place where wrestlers went to seek the best competition and something fans looked forward to…
 
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I retort. NCAA wrestling (re Scuffle/Midlands) is not 'sad'; it is not 'watered down'; the 'prestige is not gone"; and NCAA wrestling is not 'meaningless'. In fact wrestling continue improve, and wrestlers continue to perform at exceedingly high levels.

Although I attended neither the Soldier Salute nor the Southern Scuffle, I did attend the 60th Annual Ken Kraft Midlands Wrestling Championship. You may rest assured knowing amatuer wrestling is alive, and flourishes in Hoffman Estates, Illinois. Facts would seem to indicate your judgement is both hastey and unwise. Wrestling "ain't circling the drain yet ..." (Twain paraphrased).

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Wrestling should be a second semester sport. Push NCAAs back a few weeks so it doesn’t compete with March Madness.

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The Midlands was cool back in the day.
Yeah, it was. I went for like 15 years in a row. I got the same seats every year. 5 rows up dead center. Perfect.

Iowa rolled every year, and the competition was much better. I can't begin to remember all the studs.

Cael vs. Fullhart was awesome. I saw Cael almost get beat three times there. He pulled each one out though.

I remember Ironside vs. Schwab. Super boring. Knew each other too well.

It was in Welsh-Ryan arena though. Every time I went there I thought about this is the place where Larry Owings beat Gable.
 
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Yeah, it was. I went for like 15 years in a row. I got the same seats every year. 5 rows up dead center. Perfect.

Iowa rolled every year, and the competition was much better. I can't begin to remember all the studs.

Cael vs. Fullhart was awesome. I saw Cael almost get beat three times there. He pulled each one out though.

I remember Ironside vs. Schwab. Super boring. New each other too well.

It was in Welsh-Ryan arena though. Every time I went there I thought about this is the place where Larry Owings beat Gable.
Wasn't it Zadick v Schwab?
 
I really miss when these tournaments were strong back in the day. I went to the Scuffle 3 times and it was always a great experience. It really gave you a great look at a lot of the national contenders, and was especially fun to see the high level redshirts competing as well. I miss it.
 
I really miss when these tournaments were strong back in the day. I went to the Scuffle 3 times and it was always a great experience. It really gave you a great look at a lot of the national contenders, and was especially fun to see the high level redshirts competing as well. I miss it.
A bit overboard, just maybe(?). Dancing on the grave of an undead patient.
 
Yeah, it was. I went for like 15 years in a row. I got the same seats every year. 5 rows up dead center. Perfect.

Iowa rolled every year, and the competition was much better. I can't begin to remember all the studs.

Cael vs. Fullhart was awesome. I saw Cael almost get beat three times there. He pulled each one out though.

I remember Ironside vs. Schwab. Super boring. New each other too well.

It was in Welsh-Ryan arena though. Every time I went there I thought about this is the place where Larry Owings beat Gable.
Same year Bill and Mike Zadick didn’t wrestle in the final and pretended to fight after the double FF…. Breakfast with the team and coaches(RIP Coach Duroe) at the hotel, catching a ride over on the team shuttle, sitting with Brands and Gable families during sessions, grabbing beers and lunch/dinner with staff and wrestlers families, security being so lax you could stand matside and watch Mocco and Perry’s debuts, etc, etc…. So many phenomenal memories. Midlands at Welsh Ryan was easily our favorite road trip from 98-2012.
 
Wrestling should be a second semester sport. Push NCAAs back a few weeks so it doesn’t compete with March Madness.
It doesn't compete with March Madness for it's TV spot. Push it down 3 weeks and it is competing with the Masters for daytime TV. Push it down a couple weeks it is competing with baseball's opening weekend.
Not sure what people think, no March Madness more people watching March Wrestling? How many, half a dozen, a whole dozen or maybe two dozen.

Leave it alone. As is we get ESPN to ourselves.
 
My point was the importance of recruiting and Cael's "ability" to develop talent. The blue chips can win these tournaments despite coaching.
Ok, I see what you mean. I think overall wrestlers are controlling their volume more and we aren't going to see as much interest in these tournaments for the top guys going forward. You're probably gonna see some quality backups enter these tournaments so they could have enough matches to qualify for the postseason but the main starters might stay away from some of these.

We're not gonna see the top guys wrestling 35 to 45 matches from here on out, it's gonna be more like 20 to 25 or so is my guess.
 
in the 1980's my high school wrestling team used to 'work' at the Midlands. We'd move the mats around between session and in return we'd get free admission and hot dog and chips for lunch. We'd hold our team's practices either on the mats in Welsh-Ryan (which at the time was still called McGraw Hall) or down in the Northwestern wrestling room along side the college and club teams (HWC and Sunkist Kids). This was during the peak of Iowa dominance and winning the MIdlands was sometimes harder than winning the NCAAs. This was at a time when post-college wrestlers would attend. You'd have Olympic champs like Kenny Monday and Bruce Baumgartner in the same bracket as returning NCAA champs. We used to sit along the wall in the wrestling room and watch these guys drill and work on technique. Every once in you'd see some guys going full speed.

My favorite memory, and the guys I wrestled with 35+ years ago and I still talk about it when we get together, was watching Gable and Royce Alger just going at each other for 45 minutes. Both guys were just covered in sweat. For every takedown Alger got, Gable probably got 4 or 5. This was after Alger was already a 2x national champ.
 
All blue chip recruits. None of their regular recruits won more than 1 match. I'm sure Ludington and DeLuca can place there next year, as well as Voinivich, Ferrari and Kale Peterson.
Do you think our B team ties Oklahoma for 2nd place and puts 4 in the finals? They didn’t even bring 10 wrestlers. I’m hoping Ferrari, DeLuca AND Peterson aren’t all B team guys for the Hawks next year.
 
Do you think our B team ties Oklahoma for 2nd place and puts 4 in the finals? They didn’t even bring 10 wrestlers. I’m hoping Ferrari, DeLuca AND Peterson aren’t all B team guys for the Hawks next year.
Unfortunately, this was not PSU B team. Missing Nasdeo, Negao, Evans, Facundo, Sealy, Gibson and Cochran.
 
Same year Bill and Mike Zadick didn’t wrestle in the final and pretended to fight after the double FF…. Breakfast with the team and coaches(RIP Coach Duroe) at the hotel, catching a ride over on the team shuttle, sitting with Brands and Gable families during sessions, grabbing beers and lunch/dinner with staff and wrestlers families, security being so lax you could stand matside and watch Mocco and Perry’s debuts, etc, etc…. So many phenomenal memories. Midlands at Welsh Ryan was easily our favorite road trip from 98-2012.
So true. I couldn't wait each year to go. Great food, too. We always went to this place called Dengeo's. Fantastic BBQ ribs, chicken, etc. I'd probably recognize you if I knew what you looked like. I began to notice there were regulars that went. Each year I kept saying, "There's that guy again. And that one. And he's here again, too." You probably heard me a time or too. I was, unfortunately, more obnoxious in my younger days. I think it was Teague Moore that took an epic lung timeout, and it got quiet. I yelled, "Change his diaper!"
 
So true. I couldn't wait each year to go. Great food, too. We always went to this place called Dengeo's. Fantastic BBQ ribs, chicken, etc. I'd probably recognize you if I knew what you looked like. I began to notice there were regulars that went. Each year I kept saying, "There's that guy again. And that one. And he's here again, too." You probably heard me a time or too. I was, unfortunately, more obnoxious in my younger days. I think it was Teague Moore that took an epic lung timeout, and it got quiet. I yelled, "Change his diaper!"
The good old days!
 
So true. I couldn't wait each year to go. Great food, too. We always went to this place called Dengeo's. Fantastic BBQ ribs, chicken, etc. I'd probably recognize you if I knew what you looked like. I began to notice there were regulars that went. Each year I kept saying, "There's that guy again. And that one. And he's here again, too." You probably heard me a time or too. I was, unfortunately, more obnoxious in my younger days. I think it was Teague Moore that took an epic lung timeout, and it got quiet. I yelled, "Change his diaper!"
Did you ever eat at “mustards last stand” right there outside the arena? Little hole in the wall place but was always busy.
 
We (meaning myself and any combination of my mom, my 3 kids, and/or some friends) went every year from about '82 through the '90s, and most of the 2000s. A little less regular after 2010, but did do 2 or 3 in the Sears Centre/whateverit'scallednow. We sat all over the place from Row 2 reserved to GA seats. We sat next to wrestler's families from many schools, we sat Next to Leroy Smith one here and had a great time talking trash back and forth, Stephen Neal sat in front of us and blocked our view one session. We had a lot of great times and made a lot of friends (from all over the country). We also nearly got into a couple fights along the way.
It's a shame that tourney slid downhill when teams started pulling out, and it's a shame what NW did to it a few years ago.
We ate a lot of different places, mainly in Skokie, but our favorite was probably Gigio's in downtown Evanston. A little hole-in-the-wall Italian place with greasy NY-style pizza.
I miss going there (downtown, the suburbs not so much) but will never go back as long as the SS keeps going.
Lots of fun memories though.
 
No. I'm sure of it.
Zadick vs Schwab happened at wrestle offs when Zalesky had them roll out the main mat at Carver in ‘99 or 2000. Was one of the best matches I’ve ever seen and there was def no love lost during it. Absolutely fierce battle that I believe Schwab won on a last second TD for a final of something like 8-6 or 9-7. May have even been OT.
 
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