Where are you? I remember specifically after the ISU game you were ready to give the axe to Fran, saying this should be his last year in Iowa City. Do you still want to replace Fran?
Soybean o soybean....
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I said no such thing. I simply pointed out that the ISU loss was a big one and would turn out to be a watershed event and the team could collapse or regroup and press forward. And so far they have.
What you were actually saying is that Fran should have this year and that if things don't improve, next year should be his last. You were embarrassed and angry over the loss to ISU.
Obliviously the way the Iowa team has responded to that loss made your post ridiculous. unnecessary, and vindictive. And, the ''so far they have'' comment is equally ridiculous. That ISU loss was just one loss and nothing more. The team moved on and that loss has had no impact. If Iowa was to lose to Nebraska on Tuesday, no one could blame the ISU loss but maybe you.
Funny how you disappeared since then.
Bean said the ISU was a turning point game. He specifically pointed out that this didn't necessarily mean that in a negative way. He could be 100% correct, at the end of the season we look back at the ISU game as the key game of the season. Early indications appear the Hawks have refocused after the ISU fiasco so Bean's comments look spot on right now.
Was the ISU game the reason the hawks got down 19, or did they just forget about that and Fran reminded them at halftime? You're just going say the ISU game causes anything good going forward? Purdue was a totally different set of circumstances against a team that plays defense and is built much differently than ISU.
Instead of people putting things into perspective and realizing it was a loss to a top ten team on the road people overreact and and start to think worst case scenario. Iowa outplayed ISU for a majority of the game and made a couple dumb Inbounding plays, simple as that. It sucked at the time but still showed they can play with anyone. Not every loss has to be the turning point in Fran's career. Just accept Fran's built a hell of a program that continually get better.
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LOL. What does any of this have to do with OP point or what Bean said? Why do you have to go off the rails in 99% of your posts? Fine, disagree with Bean if you like, but no need for OP to call him out. Enjoy the win, and the early conference success this year. Some of you guys just go out of your way to find things to argue about.
Jeesh. Soybean never once said Fran should be fired this year or next year. He simply pointed out that the ISU game could serve as a turning point for this team. Many people, myself included, were critical of Fran in late game situations. That criticism was warranted while I also pointed out along with others that this team had potential as evidenced in that first half. This team and Fran has made adjustments and has two awesome wins to start the BIG season.
The people calling others out for mere observations are equally as bad as those calling for Fran's head(of which there were very very few).
Fran should not be fired even if the team is awful next year. He has done a very good job here and I am SUPER happy with his tenure so far. However, that does not mean he is 100% immune from criticism especially on a freaking message board. Get over it. I swear I have no idea how some of you hold a professional job. Do you tell your boss not to be critical of you because it might hurt your feelings?
The people calling others out for mere observations are equally as bad as those calling for Fran's head(of which there were very very few).
Fran should not be fired even if the team is awful next year. He has done a very good job here and I am SUPER happy with his tenure so far. However, that does not mean he is 100% immune from criticism especially on a freaking message board. Get over it. I swear I have no idea how some of you hold a professional job. Do you tell your boss not to be critical of you because it might hurt your feelings?
Yes, I had a great Christmas and New Years other than the Rose Bowl Game itself. Thanks for asking. Within minutes of that game being over, though, I realized just how proud I was of our football team and the staff and was already looking forward to kick off next year.
I will admit that I take just a smidgeon of satisfaction regarding those Iowa fans who are never happy, don't really deserve to be happy and that some of those spent a small fortune going to the game. However, that karma never offsets the sadness I feel for the players who all worked so hard all year only to come up a little short. I have always felt that fans support their team win or lose kind of like marriage is supposed to be through sickness and through health. It is called being selfless and having commitment. How about you? How was your Christmas season? I hope that you didn't get into a bar fight again or rob bell ringers again this year.
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Tonight was a turning point in the Fran era of Iowa Basketball
Tonight was a turning point in the Fran era of Iowa Basketball
what he said was if Iowa struggles this year Fran could be on thin ice & the program in real danger...based on 20 minutes in Ames is way overkill...no different than saying based on 2nd half 20 min at Purdue..Iowa is on its way to the final 4...equally overkill.
Just like you calling out people & their ability to hold professional jobs...based on what? ..a freaking message board? ..overkill.. Having worked at the University I saw plenty of unprofessional professionals and they are not making clerk or nursing staff money.
The only thing certain about a college BB game is ... uncertainty. That's what makes it great to follow.
He said if Iowa misses the tournament this year he MIGHT be in danger.
That is an observation (not saying I agree with it) but it wasn't that crazy of a statement and I didn't take it as his opinion. I took it more of a commentary of the game in the context of Fran's tenure. I went back and reread the post and had no problem with it at all. He never slammed Fran or even suggested that he be let go.
I guess we took his post different ways. Going to have to agree to disagree.
The test for Fran will be next year. Same can be said for ISU's Prohm.
In both cases, enjoy this year as next year will be a drop back year.
In both cases, enjoy this year as next year will be a drop back year.
I interpreted the post to read the way we lost to ISU put Fran on thin ice. IMO a complete overreaction to a close loss to a highly rated ISU team, just as saying the second half against Purdue should insure Fran is around for a long time.
I think the error made by soybean was forgetting to include in his summation that we've had more than a few games in Fran's tenure where we were up comfortably at halftime at home and on the road, but the second half was a complete "dud" costing us victory.
This happens to all teams and is not unique to Iowa. The magnitude and circumstances of that particular loss to ISU only compounded the overall frustration of having a second half "dud" instead of a 'turn the corner' impact victory.
For me, if losing a game like that to little brother spurs us on to winning our first two conference games against Michigan State and Purdue....I'll take it. Just hope we keep that "spur" under our saddle for the rest of the year.
This happens to all teams and is not unique to Iowa. The magnitude and circumstances of that particular loss to ISU only compounded the overall frustration of having a second half "dud" instead of a 'turn the corner' impact victory.
For me, if losing a game like that to little brother spurs us on to winning our first two conference games against Michigan State and Purdue....I'll take it. Just hope we keep that "spur" under our saddle for the rest of the year.
this is fair...it wasn't that many years ago we couldn't make it to halftime..so its nice to be able to say we've had some games under Fran we've lost where we held a lead at halftime....against some pretty good competition. With the 30 sec shot clock, 3 point shot..I'm not sure there is such a thing as a "comfortable halftime lead"..
Yes, had a very nice Christmas and New Years...even managed a quick trip into NYC to squire Mrs. Bean at a artsy-fartsy event for an old friend of hers that puts on showings all over the world. Lots of nice looking women and some great food & drink but overall not my kind of thing.
The second that Standford hit that TD on the first play of the game I thought of my BIL who had taken a small group of family members to the Rose Bowl - after the game was over he called me and asked who he should see about getting his ten grand back. I laughed because he has more money than I do and could easily afford it.
The highlight of the whole holiday period was the Hawks taking down both MSU & Purdue.
I think the sports gods owed us in the Purdue game after the Rose Bowl and the way we lost to ISU in basketball!
Glad you enjoyed your time in NYC. Best of luck to you in the New Year Bean.
Test for Fran? ... if that's what you call a rebuilding year? I'm looking forward to next year..will be fun to see who rises...plenty of tools just a matter of experience.
I'll go a step further and call it a reloading year. I think it's been so long since Iowa had freshmen that didn't HAVE to play that people have forgotten a bit how it works.
If our five "mystery" guys were juniors or sophomores it might be time to worry about their development. But as is we've five freshmen that simply can't break into the top nine. There is no reason to worry, especially when two are redshirting.
Those five, four newbies coming in? They'll be called upon to fill in around Uhl, Baer, Jok, Ellingson and possibly Jones. Odds are somebody leaves. But in the end it doesn't look as worrisome as 2012-13 when we were starting up to 3 true freshmen at a time.
Recruit, retain, develop...we won't be nearly as experienced as this year of course, but we'll have up to ten guys who have been in the system at least one year.
I think next year might not be as much "fun" or as good of a season, but it will be more interesting imo to see who steps forward as you mention. There are so many possibilities for lineups. I think Dale Jones will be an interesting wildcard into the mix next year. In the few games he played he showed he can shoot and rebound. His defense was a work in progress though. It will also be interesting to see how Moss and Hutton fit into the mix.
Fran will have lots of pieces next year to fit together. It will be intriguing to see which players rise to the occasion.
What if 2-0 ends up 9-9 (NCAA)? ....then next year ends up at 9-9 again (NIT)?
I'd say the ice could begin to thin a bit.
I don't expect it to happen, but just say'n.
What if? That's for suggesting it. If it happens I'll apologize. But it's not going to happen.
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That's not at all what Bean said. He said it was likely a turning point game. Iowa could fold and crumble the rest of the season, or they could learn from the game and use it as a catalyst. If the former happened, Bean said Fran could begin to be on thin ice if Iowa struggles next season (which they could do with so many new guys starting). People greatly overreacted to the point Bean was making. I believe Bean said Fran should/will be the coach next season no matter what happens this season.
And you were probably guaranteeing Iowa wouldn't collapse and finish 9-9 2 years ago. Sh*t happens. I don't anticipate it happening, I would be stunned if it did but I wouldn't be so arrogant to say it won't happen. A guy who was hyping Fleming as the 2nd coming of Jordan (this is hyperbole) should be a little more cautious about making definitive predictions.
What if? That's for suggesting it. If it happens I'll apologize. But it's not going to happen.
The "what if" was Soybean's point...you either ignored it or just didn't read his OP, and instead decided to jump in with a non sequitur.
Put your fingers down and think about Soybean's post. He attempts to establish a measure of WHEN McCaffery should be on thin ice. That isn't his decision to make and here are two thoughts:
1) It came right after the Iowa State loss. Tough for any Hawkeye fan to take, and also the time when one can expect reactionary, sky is falling, stuff.
2) It is the same stuff we were reading last year over how many years to give Fran, that we had become "stuck", two 9-9 years in a row. Then we went 12-6.
Conclusion. I know it is tough to maintain a level head while following sports. Anyone who reads the game threads knows that. Or in the Lounge right now one can read projections which have grown to such heights as 15-3 after the Purdue win!
Maintain! Rise above the down and don't get too hyped at the highs. It's a long season. One game means NOTHING.
But, it is hard to teach this stuff. I've learned it's easier just to toss shoes and other stuff....so Duck!
We're going to play the "what if" game? Anyone can do that. What if Iowa goes 14-4 and wins the Big Ten title? "What if" we win the BTT and make a deep run in the NCAA's?
The tenor of Soybean's post was entirely negative as far as I was concerned and encouraged a number of "usual suspects" who hate McCaffery to crawl out of the woodwork spewing their nonsense. The fact that he left himself an out in case we had a decent season was just covering his butt, as far as I'm concerned. I supose practically every game could be some considered some sort of harbinger depending on what you do from that point on, and I would include the Augustana game in that analysis.
Putting aside whether or not you agreed with Bean's premise, you think it was a negative post that Bean said the ISU game would end up being a turning point game in the season? I can understand why some would disagree with Bean's premise, but what I don't understand is why people think it was negative. He pointed out numerous times in that thread that it could turn out to be the straw that stirs the drink, the game where Iowa turned the corner and learned how to overcome adversity, to become mentally tougher.
I guess I don't see the problem in what Bean was saying. While some chalk up the ISU game as just another game, just another loss, I think it was a gut check time for the Hawks. So far, we've seen they've stepped up their play. Iowa was much better handling the press at the end of the MSU game vs the ISU game. Coincidence? I don't think so. Forget the record, w's and l's, the team is playing better basketball than they were playing at the time of the ISU game. The defense has been much better, they are doing a better job of holding onto the basketball, and I think a better job of running the offense.
I don't have a problem with Mr Beans post about gut check time ...but some are ignoring his entire post for justification purposes. Here are the sentences I totally disagree with...
If Iowa stumbles through the remainder of the season and misses the NCAA tournament we might be looking at the Fran tenure at Iowa in real danger. Fran has earned, and will be given, another season after the 2015/16 run is over regardless of how the Hawks finish...but the ice is getting thin in Iowa City.
it's nothing more than an over-reaction of 11 minutes of basketball in Ames...did we blow up? hell yes...I posted at the time I didn't like Fran's bench minutes...especially in the 2nd half.. And he said the same thing afterwards. It wasn't a gut check IMO...it was Fran learned to trust his bench (especially Uhl & Baer) a little more. I believe Baer played 8 min total for the ISU game.
The last minute at ISU was sad...no excuses there...none.
If Iowa stumbles through the remainder of the season and misses the NCAA tournament we might be looking at the Fran tenure at Iowa in real danger. Fran has earned, and will be given, another season after the 2015/16 run is over regardless of how the Hawks finish...but the ice is getting thin in Iowa City.
it's nothing more than an over-reaction of 11 minutes of basketball in Ames...did we blow up? hell yes...I posted at the time I didn't like Fran's bench minutes...especially in the 2nd half.. And he said the same thing afterwards. It wasn't a gut check IMO...it was Fran learned to trust his bench (especially Uhl & Baer) a little more. I believe Baer played 8 min total for the ISU game.
The last minute at ISU was sad...no excuses there...none.
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