It’s actually amazing you don’t understand the difference here.
Spencer Lee will medically forfeit from the wrestle back round
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Seriously? You wrestle how many matches this season and you are suddenly going to cite trying to win a world title in the future as the reason you can’t risk two more matches?
Do you think it was Spencer’s decision to not wrestle? It very easily could have been the coaching staff/trainers that pulled the plug due to further injury risk.
It’s also easy to say what he should do when you’re not the that went through that demoralizing and traumatic of a situation. I think it’s safe to assume he was in a pretty bad place mentally.
Spencer has toed the line injured more than any of us could have imagined or asked him to for the betterment of the team, I think it’s pretty tough to question what transpired Saturday morning.
Provided no new medical issues between semis and Saturday morning, why would staff/trainers suddenly deem him unfit to wrestle?
And no matter how traumatizing the experience, feeling bad for yourself isn’t a good reason not to wrestle. Fix was out there after getting embarrassed and majored in front of his home crowd the night before. Not the same, but I’m sure that didn’t feel good for him.
Not saying it’s easy. But when faced with the decision of doing what’s right and what’s easy, you do what’s right.
That being said, everyone falls short of always doing what’s right (certainly myself included), but let’s call a spade a spade. If he was physically able, he should have been out there.
It’s actually incredibly simple and if you can pull the immense bias out of your mouth, you should be able to see it.
He was ONLY wrestling injured for 2 reasons.
1.) to accomplish his goal of becoming a 4 X NCAA Champion.
2.) to help his team win a championship.
Once he lost reason 1 was over and reason 2 was no longer possible. On top of that, it was nearly impossible for the team to drop from 2nd place. There simply was no benefit for him to continue wrestling injured.
What actually SHOULD be done is heralding his courage for even wrestling with that injury. Most wrestlers wouldn’t have even been on the mat that tournament if the injury is what many believe it to be…
What bias? I’ve been a massive Spencer fan since before he was a hawk and still am.
I think you can do both; herald him for his courage to persevere and be amazed he’s accomplished what he has given his injuries (which I absolutely do) and also recognize that if he’s physically able to go, it’s not right to default out (which I absolutely do).
You can make the excuse that he should be treated different and held to a different standard because, after all, he was only wrestling to win another individual and team title, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s not right to default if you’re physically able to go.
People have been - you refuse to listen and understand the reasons.
I'm as optimistic a person as it gets but there's no help for you. You're possibly the dumbest sob on the internet.
Anyone else find humor in the guy with 20 posts dumping on Spencer's actions has Mark "things would have been different if I was on the plane on 9/11" Wahlberg as his username/profile pic?
I wouldn't go quite that far, but I certainly would not want him coaching young athletes.
I’ve listened and understood actually, as I’ve responded to most all of them. I’ve just called them out for the poor excuses they are.
I normally wouldn't attack someone like that but it's infuriating that some anonymous guy is publicly being disrespectful to a young man who was the face of the program for 6 years. A kid who represented the school in perfect fashion while bringing home countless awards and a team title. Spencer has been the most unselfish person while also being the greatest Hawkeye to ever lace them up. After 6 years of doing nothing but give to the program, some numbskull is going to question whether he wrestles in a match that was meaningless for the team and individual. There's obviously an agenda and wallburg most likely isn't even an Iowa fan. The inability to understand why they made that decision points to an agenda.
There is a considerable difference between reasons and excuses. The dude SHOULD NOT have been on the mat to begin with. He ONLY did it for the 4th title and a team title, once NEITHER could be attained why exactly should he have wrestled? What exactly was 3rd over 6th going to change?
Do you honestly think he didn't wrestle due to a bruised ego? Because THAT is exactly how you come off...
So, you are saying you wrestled for Iowa under Tom and Terry? Is that correct?
I'm sure Lee talked it over with the coaches and at that point him wrestling was high risk, very low reward. It wouldn't change placing and maybe cut Iowa's gap from what 55 points to 50? At that point why risk career ending injury when he's thinking about international competition?
Anyone else getting an ad on facebook from Rudis with Spencer wrapped in an American Flag that says Paris 2024?
You think you're calling people out, but really, you're just showing everyone how stupid you are lol.
Yeah, there's a point where you're not helping yourself or your team.
sheesh relax i didn’t even say anything political. trump was in attendance. it’s a fact.
If you are truly listening then you are hearing and reading multitudes of very objective and subjective reasons why he didn't go on Saturday. You are simply refusing to admit you may be wrong. At some point, actually try to comprehend the concept of risk versus reward and coaches likely telling their athlete - you've given enough and protecting him from himself. It's what good coaches do.
I didn't expect him to be there for 4 hours. I thought he would make an appearance and take off. He looked to be enjoying the wrestling which is nothing but positive regardless of affiliation.
MSU, I have new respect for you. You're a neutral party, and you understand this situation better than some alleged Iowa fans. Thanks for having some common sense and decency -- two things that seem to be sorely lacking in a good percentage of our country these days.
Charles Manson?? Your probably an old hippie that needs to lay off the acid🧐
Disrespectful? I shared an opinion. If you're physically able to wrestle, you should (with very rare exceptions, such as the death of a very close family member or something).
And my "agenda" is to uphold the value that you finish what you start (unless you physically can't). What's your agenda - to bootlick your way into Iowa wrestling's inner circle or to preserve the position you have there? Or, are you just too enshrined behind Black-and-Gold colored glasses that you can't handle when someone calls a spade a spade?
And, Iowa fans aren't allowed to disagree with any decisions made by Iowa athletes? What is this, soviet Russia?
Or, Spencer is above any questioning because he did a ton for the program? That's hogwash.
Nobody knows what is going on with Spencer. I realize you are focusing on the physical but there is the mental side of this. Kid just had his dreams crushed it would obviously have to effect his mental status. He is clearly not at 100 percent physically either but if he is not able to 100 percent focus on what he is doing out there, there is a possibility for him to get hurt. Kid has given everything to the Hawkeyes please cut him a little slack.
I initially bristled at him not wrestling but then I realized the team race was decided and thought about his potential medical issues. We don't know if he was dealing with anything, so why risk it?
I'm sorry you ended up being such a jealous pitiful person. Maybe if you would have worked harder people would know your name, and more than just your dog would like you.
The other thing nobody is talking about is he held off getting surgery until he was sure he couldn’t go last year. If I were a betting man I would say he held off getting the surgery so he could help Iowa win another team title with the group we had
I appreciate that it must have been an astronomical blow to have his dreams crushed after all he went through to get so close. I really do. But my point is that it doesn’t matter how sad you are, the right thing is to finish the job if you physically can. I know that sounds harsh, but that’s how I see it. I empathize, but it doesn’t change what’s right.
I don’t think risk/reward ratio of whether or not you finish the job is the Iowa wrestling way. It’s not what’s always been preached by TnT.
You and me both. And for both of the events you mentioned.
TnT have always preached toughness and finishing the job, especially when the going gets toughest, not risk/reward ratios.
I have no idea why he didn’t wrestle, but I think you finish the job if you’re physically able. You obviously disagree. I just don’t think that’s what TnT have always preached and what Iowa wrestling has always stood for. You finish the job.
That's some rich stuff. Acuhawk works his ass off and makes countless sacrifices of his time and effort to help the Iowa program, for no other reason than the fact that he cares about the program and the people in it. "Bootlick"? Dang, if only you knew how idiotic you sound.
To "call a spade a spade", one must actually know what a "spade" is. You obviously have no earthly idea what's going on with Spencer. Maybe consider the staggering level of your ignorance before making these high and mighty claims. Let it suffice to say you have no idea what you're talking about and the right decision was made. Spencer is one of the most mentally tough athletes I've ever seen. If you think he's going to medically default out of a tournament because he's sad, you haven't been paying very damn much attention over the last six years.
You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. Two things, though: 1) be careful not to pretend your opinion is anything remotely close to fact, because your opinion and fact are light years apart, and 2) anyone else has just as much of a right to tell you how ridiculously stupid your opinion is.... and that's exactly what I'm doing.
