Start Joe T?

[Louis3Hawk]

The more I watch him play, the better the offense seems to flow with his ability to penetrate and throw dimes. Defensively he brings athleticism and tenacity that will be desperately needed against top guard loaded teams. He also has the toughness and poise you want in close games.

JBo has been my favorite player since he was a freshman, but I'm starting to think we might get better production from him off the bench as a spark given the pieces that are now on this team, we don't need him to be a creator. Give him starter minutes and make sure he's in down the stretch because we need his clutch abilities.

Starting Lineup:
Joe T
CJ
Weezy
Connor
Garza

Last possession, need a bucket:
Joe T
JBo
CJ
Weezy
Garza

How do you guard that?

 

[HawkeyeInCentralIowa]

How do you guard that?

Remove Garza.

 

[Pawkhawk1]

No.

 

[HawkeyeInCentralIowa]

No.

Joe T needs to start. JorBo is good but Joe T takes the team to another level.

 

[ObeseMuffins]

Agreed. Been saying this all summer.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

I don't think it's that easy to take Bohannon out, plus he's still trying to get back in rhythm after being out so long.

That said, I would start Bohannon but Joe T. is the first man off the bench. Nunge is the 2nd man off for Weezy.

 

[seer_hawk]

JBO's not a PG, and he's a defensive liability. Start someone else. We've been hearing that since he was a freshman.

IMO Jordan's PG skills and offensive abilities make him one of the better PG's we've had. Who doesn't want a PG that dishes out assists, leads in 3 pointers made, and shoots a high % from the FT line (not to mention has hit some clutch shots). I really think JBO's contributions have been under appreciated. I Like Toussaint, but Jordan (given he's 100%) has earned the start.

 

[Loveblackandgold]

Regardless of who should or who should not start, it is great to have options at PG for a change.

 

[hawktech]

This works for me. I like the idea of Joe T being the first one off the bench.

Keep our current lineup. And let it flow. Bring in Joe T and that definitely changes our game. The pace changes. It will also disrupt our opponents.

That is the key. Joe T will breakdown defenses more. It will be an adjustment for opposing teams.

Then Bring in Jack, and let Garza et al drain a few from outside. I'm liking what I saw from Nunge. He brings a different element as a big. That skyhook was great. He can face up. He seems quicker and his hoops and length will do us good, on the boards and defensively.

Bring on UNC!

I don't think it's that easy to take Bohannon out, plus he's still trying to get back in rhythm after being out so long.

That said, I would start Bohannon but Joe T. is the first man off the bench. Nunge is the 2nd man off for Weezy.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Because of his defense, I would love to see Joe start. My only concern is he is sometimes out of control with the dribble drive. With that said, the kid can force a lot of turnovers and be very disruptive defensively, something Iowa sorely needs.

 

[HawkLogic]

JoeT excels in running/wide open game but he struggles running the offense in the half court. He doesn't pass the ball to Garza very well and he isn't great getting to basket on his own yet and isn't elite shooter. JoeT looks great in wide open B-ball, but most teams won't play that way.
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Fran is correct to start JBo..JBo has earned the right to start....now if JBO ends up shooting 25% from 3 for the season, then it is matter of performance that would get JBO benched. I suspect JBO who is a career 40% 3pt shooter will catch fire pretty soon.

 

[SotaHawk87]

Come off the bench give him more minutes.

 

[KcTo]

with out question JoeT has superior defense relative to JoBo and CJ, but JoeT also has ~25% of the entire teams TOs in ~14min / game while forcing shots early in the shot clock. Even Settles talked about this aspect of his game.

personally I’d rather have ConMac in there and his elite A/TO margin, plus rebounding skills with low FGA / min.

 

[kcgolfer]

I love JoeT’s game and I also like Ulis. Hard to take J BO out though. But, Joe T needs more minutes.

 

[Georgia_Hawk]

The better teams are going to drop guards and wings down to harass Garza. This is when you will see the true value of having Joe, Jordan and CJ all in the game at the same time.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Joe T is a perfect 6th man right now as he can change the pace of the game. He still plays out of control at times and turns the ball over more than a point guard should. I also like him in at the end of games as he is proven to be a very good free throw shooter. Let's let the competition improve before he is anointed as the starter over a guy who just passed BJ Armstrong on the all time assist list, and will likely be the top 3 point shooter in the history of the Big Ten before the year is done.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Who starts may have some importance, but it's secondary to how many minutes a player gets and when he gets them.

Between Bohannon and Toussaint, you could flip a coin as to who starts and I'd be fine with that.

What I want to see is that Bohannon comes out if he's not hitting and getting beat an extreme amount on D(he's going to get beat plenty so it's a balance) and Joe T to come out if he's excessively out of control(he's going to be out of control sometimes as he's attempting to push it).
Let's see how the minutes balance out when they play teams with a pulse.

 

[Fran-Con-2]

Because of his defense, I would love to see Joe start. My only concern is he is sometimes out of control with the dribble drive. With that said, the kid can force a lot of turnovers and be very disruptive defensively, something Iowa sorely needs.

To me, what Joe T gives us on Defense outweighs what J-bo gives us on offense.

To be blunt, Jordan Bohannon has not been good on offense. Through 3 games, he is averaging 3 points and shooting a terrible 22% from three. Last season, he only averaged 8 points over six games and shot 32% from three. Meanwhile, Joe T is averaging more points and a better shooting percentage. Right now, J-bo is good as a threat and ball-handler and that's about it.

I know I know, small sample size, Jordan's coming back from hip surgerys, etc. I want to give him time to figure it out, but not too much time. Our schedule gets real in 4 days. I don't see how we can keep starting J-bo if he doesn't give us more

 

[David1979]

If Joe T could cut down on the TOs I think he probably would be starting.

 

[24 so far]

JoeT excels in running/wide open game but he struggles running the offense in the half court. He doesn't pass the ball to Garza very well and he isn't great getting to basket on his own yet and isn't elite shooter. JoeT looks great in wide open B-ball, but most teams won't play that way.
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Fran is correct to start JBo..JBo has earned the right to start....now if JBO ends up shooting 25% from 3 for the season, then it is matter of performance that would get JBO benched. I suspect JBO who is a career 40% 3pt shooter will catch fire pretty soon.

Joe T is a Defensive steal AND an Offensive turnover waiting to happen. He made several great passes against Western Illinois, those same passes don't make it thru Michigan State at the same rate though. But he played well, and everybody knows he's 10 times quicker than JBo. Sometimes that's good, sometimes that's bad.

JBo takes care of the ball and when the competition ramps up, so will he, no doubt in my mind. He is absolutely the Starter, and should be, and he needs to play just enough so when the game is on the line he's got the legs to hit those dagger 3's, and close out games at the free throw line. Cold blooded assassin.

 

[24 so far]

To me, what Joe T gives us on Defense outweighs what J-bo gives us on offense.

To be blunt, Jordan Bohannon has not been good on offense. Through 3 games, he is averaging 3 points and shooting a terrible 22% from three. Last season, he only averaged 8 points over six games and shot 32% from three. Meanwhile, Joe T is averaging more points and a better shooting percentage. Right now, J-bo is good as a threat and ball-handler and that's about it.

I know I know, small sample size, Jordan's coming back from hip surgerys, etc. I want to give him time to figure it out, but not too much time. Our schedule gets real in 4 days. I don't see how we can keep starting J-bo if he doesn't give us more

JBo has more than proven his mettle when games really count, especially at the end of games. Maybe moreso than anybody in the history of the program. He's the least of my concerns. He'll be there when it matters. Book it.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Way too much emphasis on who plays the first four minutes. BTW, based on last night, why wouldn't Nunge be in there?

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

JBo has more than proven his mettle when games really count, especially at the end of games. Maybe moreso than anybody in the history of the program. He's the least of my concerns. He'll be there when it matters. Book it.

No doubt. Cold blooded dagger after dagger from him. He’s gonna be a huge piece to this team

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

I don't know that it is even worth weighing in, but you're worried about Bohannon's offense? You're literally looking at his lowest offensive efficiency since he's been in the program, which also coincides with the beginning of the seasons (10 games 2019, 3 games 2020), when we're trying to establish our identity.

He's also been playing lower minutes than he did his first 3 minutes, as our starters have come out around the 10:00 mark in the 2nd half. Oh, and did you forget that we've been feeding Garza while he's in? Bohannon is using 13% of possessions he's in, which would be a career low. He understands the team doesn't need him to be scoring right now to win, and that it is better to get others involved.

Everyone on the team knows that Garza is option 1A, 1B, and 1C. If defenses are taking him away with double and triple teams, Jordan, Joe and CJF will be draining threes. Joe and CJF have already been shooting well, and I'm really not worried about a career 40% shooter with a sample of over 700 shots.

 

[jonesy5960]

Our 2 worst defenders this year so far look to be JBo and JW. I kinda doubt that's gonna change as it would have by now and this has been against inferior competition. Everyone knows that Iowa's big deficit is on the defensive end. You don't have to change the starting lineup but Fran might need to have a quicker hook this Tuesday and going forward if those 2 keep getting abused like that, especially if they're not hot offensively. Last night the defense looked radically different with JT, Keegan and Ulis in there. It's like you're watching a completely different team.

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

Our 2 worst defenders this year so far look to be JBo and JW. I kinda doubt that's gonna change as it would have by now and this has been against inferior competition. Everyone knows that Iowa's big deficit is on the defensive end. You don't have to change the starting lineup but Fran might need to have a quicker hook this Saturday and going forward if those 2 keep getting abused like that, especially if they're not hot offensively. Last night the defense looked radically different with JT, Keegan and Ulis in there. It's like you're watching a completely different team.

Wait, what? You think Joe is one of our worst defenders? He gets assigned the toughest 2-4 assignment. Probably want to let the coaches know about his limitations.

 

[hawkquiz]

I really think if Fran were to bench JBo, he'd have Connor at the point, and Nunge at PF first. In regards to defense, Connor has been a no show as well so far.
But I really think its just the level of competition they are up against right now. The intensity will be way up now that we are into the meat of the schedule coming up

 

[jonesy5960]

Wait, what? You think Joe is one of our worst defenders? He gets assigned the toughest 2-4 assignment. Probably want to let the coaches know about his limitations.

That's not saying much with the way we play defense. Defense looks way better with JBO and JW out.

 

[Quadhawk]

The more I watch him play, the better the offense seems to flow with his ability to penetrate and throw dimes. Defensively he brings athleticism and tenacity that will be desperately needed against top guard loaded teams. He also has the toughness and poise you want in close games.

JBo has been my favorite player since he was a freshman, but I'm starting to think we might get better production from him off the bench as a spark given the pieces that are now on this team, we don't need him to be a creator. Give him starter minutes and make sure he's in down the stretch because we need his clutch abilities.

Starting Lineup:
Joe T
CJ
Weezy
Connor
Garza

Last possession, need a bucket:
Joe T
JBo
CJ
Weezy
Garza

How do you guard that?

No, not going to start over JBO. Enjoy the season will ya.

 

[Ronman]

JBo is off to a slow start, but like I said about Wieskamp a week ago, he just needs to see a few go in early. Does anyone really think he will shoot 21% from three for the season?

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Come off the bench give him more minutes.

This is the way.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

For the record, I do think Joe eventually becomes the starter this year, unless Jordan begins to step up his scoring production 'bigly' as the season progresses.

I would probably wait until Big Ten play though, just because of the experience factor and the fact that Jordan has played in more big games than Joe thus far, especially given who we have coming up on our non-conference schedule.

But again, given what Joe brings to the table all around, I do think he should eventually be the starter well before the end of the regular season.

 

[jonesy5960]

I don't think it's that easy to take Bohannon out, plus he's still trying to get back in rhythm after being out so long.

That said, I would start Bohannon but Joe T. is the first man off the bench. Nunge is the 2nd man off for Weezy.

I agree but it depends on the opposing lineup. Defense immediately jumps significantly.

 

[HawkRugged17]

This is the way.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

I agree but it depends on the opposing lineup. Defense immediately jumps significantly.

Oh, it absolutely does!

 

[silasstarr]

JBO's not a PG, and he's a defensive liability. Start someone else. We've been hearing that since he was a freshman.

IMO Jordan's PG skills and offensive abilities make him one of the better PG's we've had. Who doesn't want a PG that dishes out assists, leads in 3 pointers made, and shoots a high % from the FT line (not to mention has hit some clutch shots). I really think JBO's contributions have been under appreciated. I Like Toussaint, but Jordan (given he's 100%) has earned the start.

JB has been good on offense in the past (not this season), but the his D is atrocious. Suggs is going to score 30 if JB is guarding him and they will all be layups.

 

[ICTrojans99]

Our best all around lineup=
Joe T.
CJ
Wieskamp
Nunge
Garza

 

[ThamesHawk]

At the very least starting Joe T now may put some fire in JBo to perform better

 

[RocknRollface]

Its hard to compare the 2 because they have totally opposite games at the same position.

Everything one does well the other struggles with.

Jordan can't penetrate at all, push the ball in transition or defend a folding chair.

Joe can't stop turning the ball over, isn't a good post feeder and not much of an outside shooter.

Ulis is more complete player than either.

 

[TJHawkeye]

Nobody in our starting 5 has shown the ability to stop the dribble drive straight down the lane and every team we've played so far has used that tto their advantage over and over. Maybe we need some Ed Horton style clotheslines to cut that down.