I can do simple math, one sweet 16 in 4 years is better than zero in 9 years.
Steve Prohm
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Seriously, not many places would keep a coach like that around. Nine years, three NCAA tournament wins. Everyone in this thread happy Iowa State is keeping Prohm must sincerely despise the state of their program/coach.
Not to mention the suspension...
I give iowa fans crap a lot but I can’t even imagine the horror of living as Fred Hoiberg in Ames.
According to this link from early in the season, Iowa State has 5 players in the NBA. Off the top of my head those would be Morris, Niang, Nader, Burton and Naz (2 way contract).
I have no idea how many current players will end up in the NBA. Maybe none. Maybe as many as five or more on the current roster. Three have been listed at various times on draft sites and that didn't include Shayok and Weiler-Babb who were both invited to Portsmouth.
Regardless of how many make the league, I don't know what that has to do with this topic.
I agree it's like Dr. Tom. His first 2 years he was great with Raveling's guys making an elite 8 and sweet 16. Afterwards he was good but not great and not at same level with previous coaches players. Prohm so far going down that same path. He was very lucky and fortunate to inherit a great roster of upperclassman. Most coaches don't have roster with that talent. Guess we will see next few years how good he really is with his own guys especially next season.
Cyclone fans' need for validation on an Iowa board is beyond comprehension.
Iowa State is no more nationally relevant than Iowa is. You people are grasping at straws.
Iowa State is no more nationally relevant than Iowa is. You people are grasping at straws.
I brought up the home losses because you kept repeating the 4 "high quality road wins". Gotta talk about the lows if you want to discuss the entire season.
Iowa was projected 10th in the preseason B1G poll and finished 6th. At no point did anybody that covers Iowa or college basketball in general call Iowa the most talented team in the B1G. There were several local and national guys that made that claim about ISU early in conference play.
To be clear, I'm not at all suggesting that Prohm's job is in any sort of jeopardy. I'm just wondering if a few years down the road, if there's going to be any sort of internal pressure building on Prohm from restless fans, alums or whoever, if Hoiberg does well at Nebraska and this year becomes the norm for Prohm.
It's just kind of an odd situation here where the previous coach/hometown hero, who left on good terms, takes a new job just a couple hours away at a former conference rival.
i don't know that i can really think of a similar situation, beyond perhaps Tom/Keno at Drake during the Alford era.
It's just kind of an odd situation here where the previous coach/hometown hero, who left on good terms, takes a new job just a couple hours away at a former conference rival.
i don't know that i can really think of a similar situation, beyond perhaps Tom/Keno at Drake during the Alford era.
I'm sure plenty of non Iowa fans will disagree with me on it but I have a feeling in 3 to 4 years from now TJ Otzelberg (former Hoiberg asst. at ISU and SDSU coach last 3 years) who just took UNLV job will have that program in a better place than Hoiberg at Nebraska. For one I think easier to recruit to UNLV and they are usually one of the better teams in their conference compared to Huskers in the Big 10 with now having a 20 game schedule. Plus I don't know much about their roster at UNLV but I do know Nebraska will have an awful one next year with losing multiple starting seniors and chance Roby goes pro.
You asked which team had the better season. I pointed out the differences in achievements. Iowa and ISU both lost games at home including each having a clunker. ISU's home losses are no worse than Iowa's so it was irrelevant to which had a better season. But Iowa did not have any road wins over tournament teams which is a very valid part of determining which had a better season. Thise wins are why ISU was given a 6 seed and Iowa was given a 10.
In regards to your talk about expectations, that is not what you asked. You asked who had a better season, not who had a better season relative to expectations. Obviously that answer would be Iowa as is evidenced by how excited you are about a 23-12 season relative to ISU fans like myself saying ISU did not reach their potential in regards to our 23-12 season.
This might be a tough pill to swallow for some of you, but if you're a kid that wants to realistically go to the NBA, you will not be going to Iowa to play for Fran. You guys won't see another NBA player until the post Fran era, and I'm not trying to troll just being as honest as possible. That's why Foster won't be going to Iowa. If you're an elite guard, ISU is where you want to go. It's not even a fair comparison.
No if you are an elite guard you want to go to a blue blood or a school like Michigan St, Michigan, Virginia or Villanova.
Let’s place a friendly wager on that. Iowa will put a player in the NBA under Fran. Max bet $100. You down?
Just out of curiosity, what makes you say this? Fran has had multiple players drafted by the NBA. They haven't stuck, but that's as much a commentary on how hard it is to stay in the NBA if you're a 2nd round pick. Iowa nor ISU are unfortunately likely to land that truly elite nba prospect player, especially if they ultimately dump the one-and-done rule.
I don't say it's likely that we land Foster, but I think we have a puncher's chance. Fran spotted him relatively early and has stayed with him all along. Where he needs to improve is that in the event he doesn't land Foster, plan B or C are better options also. That's really what burned him on guys like Ulis...He put all his chips in on landing him and didn't have a plan B in part because teenagers don't like to to hear that they were the 2nd choice.
Because it's fun? I have a great time every time I'm in KC? I'd trade the conference tourney title for a Sweet 16 any day. For just one win? I'm not sure. I will never argue that any conference tournament is more meaningful than the NCAA tournament, even 1 win. However, it is more fun in my opinion, and I'm a selfish fan who really loves having the fun that comes with the tourney in KC.
There are 5 current players with NBA contracts. Of the guys on this roster, I think THT will be in the NBA.
What’s the breakdown on wins against tournament teams in the actual tournament?
There was a ton more positive talk about isu nationally than iowa before the tourney started
Iowa had 6 I think, Iowa State had 10 but somebody can feel free to double check that.
5 in the league and I am just guessing that 3 off the current ISU team will be collecting NBA checks at some point.
Of the ISU players in the NBA, only one averages more than 4 ppg and logs meaningful minutes. And for reference, Jarod Uthoff averaged 4 ppg in the year he played in the NBA. So those guys aren't really evidence of the rich developmental program at ISU.
Is ISU a better program than Iowa: yes. has been for about 10 years or so.
Should Iowa fans care that ISU has had 5 players drafted in the NBA recently: absolutely not.
Heres a tough pill to swallow for ISU fans: Wisconsin has an objectively better basketball program than Iowa and ISU (they've been to 2 final fours and 5 sweet 16s since 2012 so thats not really up for debate). Wisconsin has only had 2 players drafted in the NBA in that time . . . the exact same as Iowa. Compare that to a team like UNLV who has had 4 players drafted since 2012, one of whom was the #1 overall pick, but they haven't been relevant at all.
Fact of the matter is, you simply cant measure college basketball success by the # of players drafted.
When you take away the NBA drafts, heres the facts. In four years at Iowa State Coach Prohm is 83-53. Fran is 78-57. (5 game difference over 4 years is not much of a statistical gap). Prohm has 3 NCAA wins in that time, Fran has 2.
Prohm does have 2 touranment championships which is something Fran will never have. So i guess that separates them. But you cant look at this and say Prohm is lightyears away from Fran.
I understand why you are salty, been a rough couple weeks for ISU fans.
Hopefully you will hold it together better when Wigginton leaves for the draft too.
But at least you are happy Prohm got his extension. Pretty close to coming into his own, isnt he?
I sure hope so. We shall see.
If he goes a couple of years without achieving equal or better milestones, it'll be time for a change then. Just not now.
I'm not one to defend Fran very often, but also consider the situation both coaches had when they joined their teams. Iowa State was loaded and Iowa was a total joke.
This is a legitimate point. I don't understand the "logic" of criticizing a coach because his recruits go early to the NBA, though.
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