STOP ATTENDING GAMES

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

I heard boos over the pass interference call. When you remember why they said was bad coaching and what they boo'd about, get back to us.

20 seconds left in the first half. (The announcers even say something about the fans booing)

13:05 left in 3rd qt

10:29 left in 3rd. (Its after a punt and Matt m says "the three worst punts I've seen all year came today from Iowa")

I was sure Matt M said something along the lines of "that's poor coaching" and I thought it was about the 2 point conversion.

Want to be wrong again? Keep talking muskie.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

20 seconds left in the first half. (The announcers even say something about the fans booing)

13:05 left in 3rd qt

10:29 left in 3rd. (Its after a punt and Matt m says "the three worst punts I've seen all year came today from Iowa")

I was sure Matt M said something along the lines of "that's poor coaching" and I thought it was about the 2 point conversion.

Want to be wrong again? Keep talking muskie.

He said it was a poor coaching when defenders kept coming through untouched, to sack Stanley, as well.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

Maybe that's when it was. I thought it was on offense so I buzzed through the game and caught those boos while going through. Good find scout.


Ps. Your going to owe me 100 bucks.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Maybe that's when it was. I thought it was on offense so I buzzed through the game and caught those boos while going through. Good find scout.


Ps. Your going to owe me 100 bucks.

"........ I think Brian is the best young head coach in college football and we are lucky to have him here at Iowa" - Gary Barta

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Maybe that's when it was. I thought it was on offense so I buzzed through the game and caught those boos while going through. Good find scout.


Ps. Your going to owe me 100 bucks.

No. He said it during other aspects of the game as well. I was just adding to the list. But, what does Matt Milen know about football, anyway? He's just a hater that needs to go root for Bama or some other team.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Maybe that's when it was. I thought it was on offense so I buzzed through the game and caught those boos while going through. Good find scout.


Ps. Your going to owe me 100 bucks.

I'm gonna take your $50 and buy the domain name FireBrianFerentz.com.

 

[nilekinnick1938]

Fact is I have been watching and going to Hawkeye games for over 50 years and there are some basic facts you have to accept

1) Iowa has a great fan base whether they field a horrible team or great team. Even pre Fry in the 70's the stands were 80% full every game.

3) At Iowa it's just as much about the social aspect of the game as it is about the game. There is a long standing tradition of tailgating and socializing .

3) There is nothing else to compete with spending a Saturday afternoon Kinnick. no pro sports, only a few other major college teams ISU UNI to compete with.


Sorry... but if your looking for a decline in attendance it just simply isn't going to happen to the degree that will have any effect on the revenue stream. I would highly doubt that attendance would ever drop less than 55,000.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Fact is I have been watching and going to Hawkeye games for over 50 years and there are some basic facts you have to accept

1) Iowa has a great fan base whether they field a horrible team or great team. Even pre Fry in the 70's the stands were 80% full every game.

3) At Iowa it's just as much about the social aspect of the game as it is about the game. There is a long standing tradition of tailgating and socializing .

3) There is nothing else to compete with spending a Saturday afternoon Kinnick. no pro sports, only a few other major college teams ISU UNI to compete with.


Sorry... but if your looking for a decline in attendance it just simply isn't going to happen to the degree that will have any effect on the revenue stream. I would highly doubt that attendance would ever drop less than 55,000.

60,000 is the magic number. The AD makes money every year but they don't make that much money. 10,000 unsold season ticket packages and it's panic time. That puts them in the black or near enough that they panic. I also think the worm is going to turn back again, with the next TV contract. I don't see any way they can maintain the high TV rights contracts with more and more people cutting the cord. That market is due for a correction. It's nearly bankrupted ESPN already.

 

[Hawkeye3087]

I think what he’s saying is that you being content winning or losing, as long as you get to hang out with your drinking buddies, is the problem.

The gameday experience has become bigger than the game itself. Tailgating and hanging out in Iowa City partying it up has become the thing to do. The actual game is an afterthought and as long as our parties aren’t jeopardized, who really cares if the Hawks win or lose.

The gameday experience has always been bigger than the game.

Come back to reality for a minute. The people you are talking about get to enjoy every single game. Watching a bunch of college kids play a game isn't torture for them. How can that be a bad thing? Do you really feel like this should be all about winning for everybody?

If this is supposed to be fun (and hopefully everyone agrees on that) than it seems to me those folks are playing with house money.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

The gameday experience has always been bigger than the game.

Come back to reality for a minute. The people you are talking about get to enjoy every single game. Watching a bunch of college kids play a game isn't torture for them. How can that be a bad thing? Do you really feel like this should be all about winning for everybody?

If this is supposed to be fun (and hopefully everyone agrees on that) than it seems to me those folks are playing with house money.

This was always how I felt as well and then they went and ruined the game day atmosphere at Kinnick, in 2010. And the prices keep going up and up. If this really is about "the kids" and the experience...why in the Hell does it have to cost 10X more than it did 20 years ago? Lol. I'm sorry, but your noble ideals don't collide with the realities of the situation. If what you say is true, we didn't need...
A Kinnick remodel
Luxury boxes
New practice facility
North end zone remodel
more luxury suites
Multi million dollar head coach
but....it's all about watching the kids and the experience?

 

[Hawkeye3087]

This was always how I felt as well and then they went and ruined the game day atmosphere at Kinnick, in 2010. And the prices keep going up and up. If this really is about "the kids" and the experience...why in the Hell does it have to cost 10X more than it did 20 years ago? Lol. I'm sorry, but your noble ideals don't collide with the realities of the situation. If what you say is true, we didn't need...
A Kinnick remodel
Luxury boxes
New practice facility
North end zone remodel
more luxury suites
Multi million dollar head coach
but....it's all about watching the kids and the experience?

Oh man I absolutely agree with you. It's a pretty good date you pick as well because it's around the time I stopped going to games.

I would just challenge any notion that fans or the administrations priorities should change as a result of those investments

 

[robchawk]

Oh man I absolutely agree with you. It's a pretty good date you pick as well because it's around the time I stopped going to games.

I would just challenge any notion that fans or the administrations priorities should change as a result of those investments

Are you a loyal fan or not, this is not the pros, we are Iowa, win lose or draw, we support our teams thru thick and thin.
"Let every loyal Iowan" right.

If the team is not what you think it should be just go for the party before and after but your loyalty should never be in doubt...

 

[80sHawkeye]

Fact is I have been watching and going to Hawkeye games for over 50 years and there are some basic facts you have to accept

1) Iowa has a great fan base whether they field a horrible team or great team. Even pre Fry in the 70's the stands were 80% full every game.

3) At Iowa it's just as much about the social aspect of the game as it is about the game. There is a long standing tradition of tailgating and socializing .

3) There is nothing else to compete with spending a Saturday afternoon Kinnick. no pro sports, only a few other major college teams ISU UNI to compete with.


Sorry... but if your looking for a decline in attendance it just simply isn't going to happen to the degree that will have any effect on the revenue stream. I would highly doubt that attendance would ever drop less than 55,000.

The decline in attendance is already happening.

 

[HTAutomotive]

Makes zero difference. 50 million in Big TV money flowing in offsets any small attendance decline. This is why the north end zone is being done - we have more money than we know what to do with.

If you can't read that fine print, the important part: Big Ten distributions are projected to increase from $36.3 million to $51.1 million next year "due mostly to a new conference television agreement." And because this isn't the Longhorn Network but the Big Ten, that means Iowa is also projecting $51.1 million from the conference.

The most recent USA Today data, from the 2014-15 academic year, indicates that Iowa's total athletic revenue has hovered around $105 million since 2013, so we're looking at a 14 percent increase in athletic revenue on television alone. Iowa's total rights and licensing will now make up more of its revenues than all other sources combined. That $15 million increase covers Iowa's total scholarship bill for all sports, with enough left over to take care of whatever legal settlements Gary Barta has rung up in a typical year (he'd be just a couple million short this year, and it's been a banner year for legal settlements). It's an enormous windfall made possible because we now have to play Maryland and Rutgers.

BREWSTER'S MILLIONS
There are two potential problems here. In the short term, The University of Iowa is still a non-profit and needs to spend its money, and we're running out of things to spend the money on. Kinnick Stadium is nearing the end of a complete renovation began more than a decade ago with the new press box. Football has a gargantuan practice facility. Carver Hawkeye Arena has also been renovated, and practice facilities for basketball and wrestling are complete. Rowing has a boat house. Golf has an indoor driving range. Swimming and diving got a new pool. Baseball probably deserves more than new artificial turf, but at least it's something. There is only so much Iowa can do with facilities before it turns into "Alabama has a waterfall in the football complex" level grandiosity.

Re: "Carver Hawkeye Arena has also been renovated, and practice facilities for basketball and wrestling are complete."
True for basketball, but you don't follow Hawkeye Wrestling, do you? Tom Brands and all the Hawkeye Wrestling fans would beg to differ.

 

[mpfeiler]

College football games are more than winning for season ticket holders and fans. I am a Hawkeye living in Evanston. My wife and I have season tickets to Northwestern's games. We tailgate with friends and go to every game. We have a great time watching D-1 college football! I try to get back to Iowa City to watch a game every chance I can. I always watch the Iowa game even if I need to DVR them and watch them later. Yes, I am pissed that the Hawks are losing games that they should win!!! Yes, I want them to win championships! But any college game day is great. Rain or shine. Remember that every Saturday half the teams lose. But I will always be an Iowa fan win or lose. I listened on the radio to every game even when Bob Cummings was our coach and we got our butts kicked every Saturday. I can still can hear Ron Gonder on WMT radio calling a TD pass from Chuck Long! Go Hawkeyes!

 

[cecilB]

The decline in attendance is already happening.

Yes it is, everywhere. The fan has been marginalized due to obscene television money...which I am grateful for because I can watch every game regardless of where it's played on a giant high res television.

 

[Herkmeister]

This is the quickest way to correct this mess. A loss at home against Purdue is not acceptable.

And miss the Wave?

No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You Ronnie, are heartless.

 

[Herkmeister]

20 seconds left in the first half. (The announcers even say something about the fans booing)

13:05 left in 3rd qt

10:29 left in 3rd. (Its after a punt and Matt m says "the three worst punts I've seen all year came today from Iowa")

I was sure Matt M said something along the lines of "that's poor coaching" and I thought it was about the 2 point conversion.

Want to be wrong again? Keep talking muskie.

You should have been at Kinnick freezing your ass off. You wouldn't have had to listen to that crap from Matt M.

 

[80sHawkeye]

Yes it is, everywhere. The fan has been marginalized due to obscene television money...which I am grateful for because I can watch every game regardless of where it's played on a giant high res television.

Not everywhere. And furthermore, we did not have one home game that even reached 70,000 attendance.

 

[cecilB]

Not everywhere. And furthermore, we did not have one home game that even reached 70,000 attendance.

whatever

I suspect 2017 will update this trend with a new data point, but don't let facts get in the way of your agenda

College football attendance in 2016: Crowds decline for sixth straight ...
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/.../college-football-attendance-in-2016-cr...
Dec 16, 2016 - Home attendance at all major college football games declined for the sixth ... to 57,238, ending three straight years of declining attendance.

 

[Eternal Return]

But, what does Matt Milen know about football, anyway? He's just a hater that needs to go root for Bama or some other team.

I agree that he's a bad analyst, but he spent most of the game trying to say how good the game was and seemed to purposefully misinterpret the sarcastic cheers on first downs in the 2nd half. He tried his best to pretend that Iowa was a good team, but I could tell he was struggling to believe what he was seeing by the 4th quarter. In all honesty, he's been a Ferentz homer for years. He always talks him up as being one of the greatest college football coaches in the game whenever he covers the Hawks. We agree that he's a buffoon, though.

 

[80sHawkeye]

whatever

I suspect 2017 will update this trend with a new data point, but don't let facts get in the way of your agenda

College football attendance in 2016: Crowds decline for sixth straight ...
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/.../college-football-attendance-in-2016-cr...
Dec 16, 2016 - Home attendance at all major college football games declined for the sixth ... to 57,238, ending three straight years of declining attendance.

That's great, but not EVERYWHERE has attendance declined. And not one single sell out this fall at Iowa, NOT ONE. Not even homecoming.

 

[80sHawkeye]

whatever

I suspect 2017 will update this trend with a new data point, but don't let facts get in the way of your agenda

College football attendance in 2016: Crowds decline for sixth straight ...
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/.../college-football-attendance-in-2016-cr...
Dec 16, 2016 - Home attendance at all major college football games declined for the sixth ... to 57,238, ending three straight years of declining attendance.

I just added up ISU's attendance and they had an increase of 5000 per game from '16 to '17. I wonder why?

 

[cecilB]

I just added up ISU's attendance and they had an increase of 5000 per game from '16 to '17. I wonder why?

You’re pathetic, and few care how you try to support your agenda. Attendance will continue to decline across the county for a myriad of reasons. And, if tv or streaming money continues to roll on, hardly any athletic department will care much. Tv cash has marginalized the ticket buyer influence , and for ones w/agendas like you....a deaf ear was turned by athletic departments long ago

 

[80sHawkeye]

You’re pathetic, and few care how you try to support your agenda. Attendance will continue to decline across the county for a myriad of reasons. And, if tv or streaming money continues to roll on, hardly any athletic department will care much. Tv cash has marginalized the ticket buyer influence , and for ones w/agendas like you....a deaf ear was turned by athletic departments long ago

The agenda is that it wasn't too long ago that Iowa sold out its games. All of them. Every year. Games have been on TV for years. And yes they actually do care when they lose ticket revenue, especially if it is significant. Not ONE sellout - it's pathetic you are defending that.

 

[cecilB]

The agenda is that it wasn't too long ago that Iowa sold out its games. All of them. Every year. Games have been on TV for years. And yes they actually do care when they lose ticket revenue, especially if it is significant. Not ONE sellout - it's pathetic you defending that.

I am not defending anything, rather stating a realistic financial portrait. You don't seem to understand where you fit in this. Here's a description.

Do you have an HD TV? Do you, or know people that are addicted to their mobile device? those are new variables that are different than years gone by you're noting that significantly impact attendance and new sources of revenue. Do you understand that most renovations in stadiums in this era are decreasing capacity, or keeping it flat, while investing in enhancing the 'experience'? Do you under stand revenue and expense statements, or statement of operations?

Fans thinking their influence or grass roots protest can cripple a department into a decision is marginalized or non-existent. The target market for tickets are those that can afford the shift to ticket price hikes, and make 'charitable' contributions. Those that can't adsorb this get dinged by licensing agreements - when purchasing anything at Walmart to Scheels to the Hawk shop.

Think Pie chart. The revenue pie is getting larger, and the piece that is shrinking the most is ticket sales. If every ticket is sold at full for 7 games it is about $12 million less than the Big Ten TV allocation. If attendance dips to 60k rather than capacity of 70k as someone suggested, the impact is approximately $4m-$6m year.....gravy not sustenance. Of course residual for concessions.

The ticket piece of the pie is the only piece shrinking....TV, Conference allocation, Licensing, donations, are all growing. Iowa is comparable to any (well most) P5 program over the past 5 years, they are diversified with revenue increasing despite nation wide attendance trend decreasing.

This is about trending and financial forecasting. Those that can afford it, and enjoy going to games will continue to do so. They will continue being a sliver of a very large pie. Those that chose not to but still think they like the team will get milked through licensing, streaming, and TV subscriptions they pay for if they choose to watch or not.

 

[80sHawkeye]

I am not defending anything, rather stating a realistic financial portrait. You don't seem to understand where you fit in this. Here's a description.

Do you have an HD TV? Do you, or know people that are addicted to their mobile device? those are new variables that are different than years gone by you're noting that significantly impact attendance and new sources of revenue. Do you understand that most renovations in stadiums in this era are decreasing capacity, or keeping it flat, while investing in enhancing the 'experience'? Do you under stand revenue and expense statements, or statement of operations?

Fans thinking their influence or grass roots protest can cripple a department into a decision is marginalized or non-existent. The target market for tickets are those that can afford the shift to ticket price hikes, and make 'charitable' contributions. Those that can't adsorb this get dinged by licensing agreements - when purchasing anything at Walmart to Scheels to the Hawk shop.

Think Pie chart. The revenue pie is getting larger, and the piece that is shrinking the most is ticket sales. If every ticket is sold at full for 7 games it is about $12 million less than the Big Ten TV allocation. If attendance dips to 60k rather than capacity of 70k as someone suggested, the impact is approximately $4m-$6m year.....gravy not sustenance. Of course residual for concessions.

The ticket piece of the pie is the only piece shrinking....TV, Conference allocation, Licensing, donations, are all growing. Iowa is comparable to any (well most) P5 program over the past 5 years, they are diversified with revenue increasing despite nation wide attendance trend decreasing.

This is about trending and financial forecasting. Those that can afford it, and enjoy going to games will continue to do so. They will continue being a sliver of a very large pie. Those that chose not to but still think they like the team will get milked through licensing, streaming, and TV subscriptions they pay for if they choose to watch or not.

Seventy-six percent of the top 25 attendance leaders experienced increases or remained the same. In 2015, only 44 percent of the top 25 could say that.

Let me cut to the chase. You win, you sell out. You play boring offense and lose to bad teams, you have 10,000 empty seats.

Iowa Football 2017 - Not ONE single sell out. Not one. Not even for homecoming.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Love it same posters who want no one to show would be first one complaining when we don’t get good enough recruits cause kinnick is half empty and no support of the program.

 

[Suterman]

The agenda is that it wasn't too long ago that Iowa sold out its games. All of them. Every year. Games have been on TV for years. And yes they actually do care when they lose ticket revenue, especially if it is significant. Not ONE sellout - it's pathetic you are defending that.

How many games did you go to in Kinnick this year?

 

[cecilB]

New ignore. The annual purge clears clutter

 

[80sHawkeye]

How many games did you go to in Kinnick this year?

I was able to attend one Iowa game this year due to distance and my kids have tournaments on weekends. We do not live close to Iowa City but manage a game or two each year. Tickets are much easier to come by then they were in the past. We also attend 1-2 men's bb games, 1-2 women's basketball games, wrestling, softball and baseball when able.

 

[80sHawkeye]

How many games did you go to in Kinnick this year?

When the last graduates, we would likely attend more but would reassess if there is no change. Lot of driving to watch BS games like Purdue.

 

[JoelBittner]

How many games did you go to in Kinnick this year?