And the number of people they killnothing will change but their method.
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And the number of people they killnothing will change but their method.
The type that’s in it for the legal hookers and blow obviouslyDepends on the type of libertarian.
You're suggesting that this kid would have been able to kill as many people with a knife as the AR-15 which is absurd. How about the Las Vegas shooter - same number of dead? JFCIt’s a mental health issue, not a gun issue. We can make guns harder, if not impossible to get and unless we address the mental health of these potential killers, nothing will change but their method.
The type that’s in it for the legal hookers and blow obviously
Too many guns and gun owners in Merica.
And I think hunters can do without any ARs. Sounds like they're just for people that have an "accuracy" issue.
This kid just bought his guns when he turned 18. Even with all of the legally owned firearms currently in our country, how would he have gotten his hands on an assault rifle if even just a month ago it had been made illegal for him to own one? He would either have to steal one, which would require him to know someone has one to steal from and would have presented an opportunity to him to get caught doing that crime first. Or he has to know someone who has one and would give it to him. Considering that there is a good chance that he had mental sanity issues, even had he known someone who owned an assault rifle, would he have been able to get them to give it to him? Especially if we made people vicariously liable if they gave a gun to someone who could not legally own one?Agree but there is no way you reduce guns. Way too many out there. Even if you tried they would not be turned over. Have to find other solutions to this problem. Agree that it’s sickening school massacres happen. Have to find preventive controls that are out in place to every school. If that includes prison lockdown doors then do it. We spend more $ on stupid crap protect schools and children at all means necessary.
It’s a mental health issue, not a gun issue. We can make guns harder, if not impossible to get and unless we address the mental health of these potential killers, nothing will change but their method.
This kid just bought his guns when he turned 18. Even with all of the legally owned firearms currently in our country, how would he have gotten his hands on an assault rifle if even just a month ago it had been made illegal for him to own one? He would either have to steal one, which would require him to know someone has one to steal from and would have presented an opportunity to him to get caught doing that crime first. Or he has to know someone who has one and would give it to him. Considering that there is a good chance that he had mental sanity issues, even had he known someone who owned an assault rifle, would he have been able to get them to give it to him? Especially if we made people vicariously liable if they gave a gun to someone who could not legally own one?
Sorry, but saying that since there are so many guns already in our country, any bans will be ineffective is nonsense. Would news laws guarantee this doesn't happen? Of course not. Could they decrease the overall number of incidences? Of course.
There are an estimated 400 million guns in the U.S. How long do you think it will take us to work through those before we see a reduction in crime?But if we reduce the availability of guns we reduce the opportunity for evil people to do evil things.
Self-defense guy vs. an assault rifle shooter. The rifle shooter wins that contest 100% of the time. Self defense LOLHave you considered self defense training? I always LOL at the thought of someone bringing a weapon to fight with me. They’re basically just giving me a weapon.
Yeah. It is that demographic that's most troubling. LI agree, however the majority of mass shootings occur in men under 21 with little to no actual firearm training. Let's increase minimum age of purchase for ALL semi-automatic handguns to 21. Sure, they can still use a shotgun, rifle, or revolver. Yes, those can still kill people and it won't stop ALL mass shootings. But if someone with little training has to figure out how to reload the shotgun or revolver during a high pressure shooting situation that's time for police or bystanders to intervene or get away.
What? You’re an odd duck no offense.Self-defense guy vs. an assault rifle shooter. The rifle shooter wins that contest 100% of the time. Self defense LOL
Congrats, you bought a Total Gym and now you're a message board Chuck Norris.
What a great (and fair) idea. Penalize legal, responsible citizens, who simply want to protect themselves, for the actions of criminals and for whom the legal and responsible gun owners don't control or even know. This a particularly good idea in an environment of increasing crime rates and a political left who is advocating for defunding the police.We should make it hard and expensive to own guns, both new and old.
We should make it expensive to manufacture guns.
The production and ownership of guns should reflect the cost of the violence guns create in our society.
What a great (and fair) idea. Penalize legal, responsible citizens, who simply want to protect themselves, for the actions of criminals and for whom the legal and responsible gun owners don't control or even know. This a particularly good idea in an environment of increasing crime rates and a political left who is advocating for defunding the police.
I don’t believe in the market as much as them, but I do agree with staying out of it as much as possible.That is a core belief in libertarianism that spans from the laissez faire capitalist libertarians to the socialist libertarians.
But if we reduce the availability of guns we reduce the opportunity for evil people to do evil things.
This kid just bought his guns when he turned 18. Even with all of the legally owned firearms currently in our country, how would he have gotten his hands on an assault rifle if even just a month ago it had been made illegal for him to own one? He would either have to steal one, which would require him to know someone has one to steal from and would have presented an opportunity to him to get caught doing that crime first. Or he has to know someone who has one and would give it to him. Considering that there is a good chance that he had mental sanity issues, even had he known someone who owned an assault rifle, would he have been able to get them to give it to him? Especially if we made people vicariously liable if they gave a gun to someone who could not legally own one?
Sorry, but saying that since there are so many guns already in our country, any bans will be ineffective is nonsense. Would news laws guarantee this doesn't happen? Of course not. Could they decrease the overall number of incidences? Of course.
Laws only reduce the availability of guns to law abiding citizens.
That's not true and this kid is an example. If there was a law in place he never would have gotten the guns.
Again, if you can't just walk into a gun store and buy a gun to go kill someone with like most mass murderers do then it makes it much harder and you're going to have to commit other crimes ahead of time before you can get to the mass murder stage.Laws only reduce the availability of guns to law abiding citizens.
I'm not sure what you mean?Then take more measures to weed out potentially dangerous people, right?
Obviously we aren’t dealing with our mental health issues. But we also aren’t dealing with our gun fetish either. Both need to be tackled in a meaningful way.It really sucks that we are the only country dealing with mental health issues.
Again, if you can't just walk into a gun store and buy a gun to go kill someone with like most mass murderers do then it makes it much harder and you're going to have to commit other crimes ahead of time before you can get to the mass murder stage.
Again, research says most mass shootings are by men between 18 and 21 and they have very little firearm training. So make it illegal for them to own a semi-automatic weapon of any kind until 21. Sure, they could steal one (Which is where safe storage laws become important) but they have to be able to pull that off first, OR know where to buy one illegally without getting caught. Could they do those. Sure, does it make it much more difficult? Yes.
Also, could they still kill a bunch of people like Columbine with shotguns and regular handguns? Yes, but we're giving people a much more fighting chance. If it's got to reload that shotgun, that's time for people to run, to be tackled. For him to drop the shells and fumble the entire thing, etc...
Sure, a well trained soldier can reload a revolver as fast as a magazine, and can pump shotgun shells in like nobodies business. But that's not the demographic of 90% of school shooters.
Can you send that as a note to my wife. According to her I never make any good points. lolThese are good points.
Totally false and totally delusional and totally dishonest and totally despicable.Laws only reduce the availability of guns to law abiding citizens.
Totally false and totally delusional and totally dishonest and totally despicable.
This is total bullshit. I know a bunch of people who could get me weed. A few of them could get me harder drugs if I wanted. I don’t know a single person who could get me an illegal weapon and wouldn’t have the slightest idea where to even begin to look.Legally, he wouldn’t have gotten the gun. Illegally, getting a gun is as easy as getting illegal drugs.
It's as if every person who does a mass shooting is some hardened member of an illegal inner city gang, connected to massive drug rings and has easy access to a pipeline of smuggled weapons and not some disgruntled guy who's mad that some girl turned him down and has decided children must die as a result so he leaves his Mom's basement, buys a gun, and shoots a school up.This is total bullshit. I know a bunch of people who could get me weed. A few of them could get me harder drugs if I wanted. I don’t know a single person who could get me an illegal weapon and wouldn’t have the slightest idea where to even begin to look.
It’s not like you can pull up Google and ask them to give you the name, telephone number and address of your local black market arms dealer.
But if we outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them and if we bend on the gun control issue just a bit, they [the libtards] will take our guns away. You know the oldExactly. The assumption seems to be that these people would immediately find a back alley arms dealer to sell them an AR-15 or AK-47 out of the trunk of a car because they are pure evil and hell bent on mass murder.
Part of the problem with this country is the complete lack of a willingness to compromise and the fall back defensive position to the extremes. You can't cede any ground or the other side wins.
For example, maybe we do need some restrictions on abortion and maybe we do need stricter gun laws. Attempts to completely ban abortion or abolish the second amendment just galvanizes the opposition and makes compromise impossible.
I'm of this thought as well, but only in response to that ridiculous proposition. Many viable and reasonable solutions have been provided.so punish the safe responsible gun owner?
I would agree with thisYeah. It is that demographic that's most troubling. L
Lets figure out something that allows the responsible 18 year old farm boy to go pheasant hunting with his dad legally while somehow keeping maniacs like the kid we saw in Texas from acquiring without questions the day after his birthday.
Never? That’s pushing itThat's not true and this kid is an example. If there was a law in place he never would have gotten the guns.
I don't think that's hard. I wasn't able to purchase a gun, but I "owned" a few as a 12-year old. I used them under the supervision of my parents, but I sure as hell wasn't able to purchase them on my own. And as I stated in the other thread, me taking a shotgun to school isn't going to enable me to kill 19 people. If I'm perfect, I kill 5 then I'm taken down during the cumbersome reload.Yeah. It is that demographic that's most troubling. L
Lets figure out something that allows the responsible 18 year old farm boy to go pheasant hunting with his dad legally while somehow keeping maniacs like the kid we saw in Texas from acquiring without questions the day after his birthday.
Why don’t we make coors and Budweiser liable for DUI?Obviously we aren’t dealing with our mental health issues. But we also aren’t dealing with our gun fetish either. Both need to be tackled in a meaningful way.
- Tax payer funded mental healthcare facilities.
- More resources for identifying mentally ill people and getting them the help they need before they can hurt people.
- More rigorous background checks as well as mandatory firearm safety training. 100 hours? 200 hours? Weed the idiots who can’t be trusted with guns out.
- Make gun manufacturers potentially liable for homicides.
- Make ammo prohibitively expensive.
- ban and criminalize the possession of magazines holding more than 6 rounds. (If you’ve passed a 100 hour firearm training, you don’t need more than 6 bullets to defend your home.)
These are the kind of things a society that truly prioritizes the safety of children over deadly toys would do.
So do we care about children’s safety more than toys?
I can probably get along with thatI'm of this thought as well, but only in response to that ridiculous proposition. Many viable and reasonable solutions have been provided.
Making the purchase age 21 - does not "punish the safe responsible gun owner"
Establishing 30-day waiting periods for ALL guns - does not "punish the safe responsible gun owner"
Establishing universal background checks - does not "punish the safe responsible gun owner"
Closing gun show loopholes - does not "punish the safe responsible gun owner"
A few of the aforementioned may inconvenience some, but if an inconvenience isn't work a child's life, well, EFF YOU!
Alcohol is a tool designed to kill? Interesting take.Why don’t we make coors and Budweiser liable for DUI?