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Supreme Court says it cannot determine who leaked draft Dobbs opinion

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The Supreme Court disclosed Thursday that it cannot identify the person who leaked a draft of DObbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, the opinion that overturned Roe v. Wade.
A report from the court said “it is not possible to determine the identity of any individual who may have disclosed the document or how the draft opinion ended up with Politico. No one confessed to publicly disclosing the document and none of the available forensic and other evidence provided a basis for identifying any individual as the source of the document.”


“While investigators and the Court’s IT experts cannot absolutely rule out a hack, the evidence to date reveals no suggestion of improper outside access.” the report said.

The legal and political worlds have been anxiously awaiting the results of the Supreme Court’s internal investigation since May, after Politico published a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft was essentially the same as the decision the court issued weeks later. Five conservative justices used the case to overturn Roe, while Roberts said he would have upheld the restrictive Mississippi abortion law at issue. The court’s three liberals combined on an angry dissent.






The leak of Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.’s draft opinion was an extraordinary breach of the decorum and practice at a place that prides itself on keeping internal deliberations of the justices secret. It has been condemned as a harmful disruption by those members who have discussed it publicly.
Alito said this fall that the leak was a “grave betrayal of trust by somebody, and it was a shock” that led to a “changed” atmosphere at the court and made his colleagues in the majority “targets for assassination.” The threat to the justices, he added, was not theoretical because it “gave people a rational reason to think they could prevent that from happening by killing one of us.”

Roberts took the extraordinary step of confirming the authenticity of the draft opinion the day after it was published. He also announced an internal investigation into how the draft became public.


“To the extent this betrayal of the confidences of the Court was intended to undermine the integrity of our operations, it will not succeed,” Roberts said. “The work of the Court will not be affected in any way.”
He has been silent about the leak since then, even as other justices mentioned the investigation was ongoing and talked about what they said were damaging implications of the leak on the court’s deliberations and trust among individual justices.

Justice Neil M. Gorsuch said in September it was “terribly important” to identify the source of the leak.
“Improper efforts to influence judicial decision-making, from whatever side, from whomever, are a threat to the judicial decision-making process and inhibit our capacity to communicate with one another,” Gorsuch said at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit’s semiannual Bench & Bar Conference in Colorado.


But little is known about the investigation, except for a few reports that have surfaced about disagreements among justices and their clerks over attempts to examine cellphone records.
Conservatives have been increasingly vocal about finding the source of the leak. Meanwhile, abortion-rights protesters have regularly gather outside the homes of Roberts and other justices since May.

A California man is facing attempted assassination charges after being arrested outside the suburban Maryland home of Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh with weapons and a plan to break into the justice’s house.
The leak turned the Supreme Court into a place “where you look over your shoulder,” and may have irreparably sundered trust at the institution, Justice Clarence Thomas said at a conference weeks after the leak.
“What happened at the court was tremendously bad,” Thomas said. “I wonder how long we’re going to have these institutions at the rate we’re undermining them. And then I wonder, when they’re gone or destabilized, what we’re going to have as a country.”
Liberal Justice Elena Kagan likewise condemned the leak. “The court depends upon confidentiality in its deliberations in order to reach decisions,” she said in an appearance last fall, “and you can’t do that if you know that you might wake up tomorrow morning and there is a decision and it is on the front page of newspapers.”

 
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It was a 5(1) 3 decision. Gorsuch seems to think that it was leaked to influence the decision and prevent internal communication.

The liberals weren’t going to influence the outcome or appeal to any of the conservatives.

Stifling communication only benefits the status quo. It was probably meant to keep Kavanaugh from joining Roberts.
 
It was a 5(1) 3 decision. Gorsuch seems to think that it was leaked to influence the decision and prevent internal communication.

The liberals weren’t going to influence the outcome or appeal to any of the conservatives.

Stifling communication only benefits the status quo. It was probably meant to keep Kavanaugh from joining Roberts.

It would be just as easy to surmise a leak from the liberal side of things. Leak goes to the public, public unrest and massive pressure ensues.
 
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There's leaks all over government these days and they rarely get caught. DOJ has been a sieve at times...at least with anything involving Trump :)
 
It would be just as easy to surmise a leak from the liberal side of things. Leak goes to the public, public unrest and massive pressure ensues.
Sure. Always smart to leak a 6-3 leaning decision when your hope is to find a way to negotiate and split the proverbial baby to preserve some of Roe.
 
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The Supreme Court disclosed Thursday that it cannot identify the person who leaked a draft of DObbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, the opinion that overturned Roe v. Wade.
A report from the court said “it is not possible to determine the identity of any individual who may have disclosed the document or how the draft opinion ended up with Politico. No one confessed to publicly disclosing the document and none of the available forensic and other evidence provided a basis for identifying any individual as the source of the document.”


“While investigators and the Court’s IT experts cannot absolutely rule out a hack, the evidence to date reveals no suggestion of improper outside access.” the report said.

The legal and political worlds have been anxiously awaiting the results of the Supreme Court’s internal investigation since May, after Politico published a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft was essentially the same as the decision the court issued weeks later. Five conservative justices used the case to overturn Roe, while Roberts said he would have upheld the restrictive Mississippi abortion law at issue. The court’s three liberals combined on an angry dissent.






The leak of Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.’s draft opinion was an extraordinary breach of the decorum and practice at a place that prides itself on keeping internal deliberations of the justices secret. It has been condemned as a harmful disruption by those members who have discussed it publicly.
Alito said this fall that the leak was a “grave betrayal of trust by somebody, and it was a shock” that led to a “changed” atmosphere at the court and made his colleagues in the majority “targets for assassination.” The threat to the justices, he added, was not theoretical because it “gave people a rational reason to think they could prevent that from happening by killing one of us.”

Roberts took the extraordinary step of confirming the authenticity of the draft opinion the day after it was published. He also announced an internal investigation into how the draft became public.


“To the extent this betrayal of the confidences of the Court was intended to undermine the integrity of our operations, it will not succeed,” Roberts said. “The work of the Court will not be affected in any way.”
He has been silent about the leak since then, even as other justices mentioned the investigation was ongoing and talked about what they said were damaging implications of the leak on the court’s deliberations and trust among individual justices.

Justice Neil M. Gorsuch said in September it was “terribly important” to identify the source of the leak.
“Improper efforts to influence judicial decision-making, from whatever side, from whomever, are a threat to the judicial decision-making process and inhibit our capacity to communicate with one another,” Gorsuch said at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit’s semiannual Bench & Bar Conference in Colorado.


But little is known about the investigation, except for a few reports that have surfaced about disagreements among justices and their clerks over attempts to examine cellphone records.
Conservatives have been increasingly vocal about finding the source of the leak. Meanwhile, abortion-rights protesters have regularly gather outside the homes of Roberts and other justices since May.

A California man is facing attempted assassination charges after being arrested outside the suburban Maryland home of Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh with weapons and a plan to break into the justice’s house.
The leak turned the Supreme Court into a place “where you look over your shoulder,” and may have irreparably sundered trust at the institution, Justice Clarence Thomas said at a conference weeks after the leak.
“What happened at the court was tremendously bad,” Thomas said. “I wonder how long we’re going to have these institutions at the rate we’re undermining them. And then I wonder, when they’re gone or destabilized, what we’re going to have as a country.”
Liberal Justice Elena Kagan likewise condemned the leak. “The court depends upon confidentiality in its deliberations in order to reach decisions,” she said in an appearance last fall, “and you can’t do that if you know that you might wake up tomorrow morning and there is a decision and it is on the front page of newspapers.”

I have zero doubt it was someone associated with the leftests sitting on the Court.
 
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There's leaks all over government these days and they rarely get caught. DOJ has been a sieve at times...at least with anything involving Trump :)

It's always been that way.

There are established back channels often used to release test balloons or let off some pressure before news becomes official. Right or wrong it's the way things are and have been for all of our lifetimes.
 
I don't think they tried very hard. Probably afraid of what they would find. Typical DC bullsh*t.
This. From the rumoring the justices weren't directly questioned, and the investigation should have been given to professional people, not the marshal of the court. They did not have the appropriate skills, or tools to do this investigation.
 
I will confess to some surprise at the inability to identify the source and mechanism of the leak.

For those of you who insist that you know the real leaker, regardless of your side, you are obviously full of shit. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about if you think any of the justices are hunky-dory with this.
 
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I will confess to some surprise at the inability to identify the source and mechanism of the leak.

For those of you who insist that you know the real leaker, regardless of your side, you are obviously full of shit. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about if you think any of the justices are hunky-dory with this.

Scotus Justices are just people, and people make mistakes all the time. Whether they are happy it happened has almost nothing to do with the issue.
 
This. From the rumoring the justices weren't directly questioned, and the investigation should have been given to professional people, not the marshal of the court. They did not have the appropriate skills, or tools to do this investigation.

From what I read, the "marshal of the court" runs the Supreme Court Police. This "marshal of the court" isn't even with the U.S. Marshals. It's a completely different entity.

I heard a retired FBI agent on the news talking about how leaving this investigation to the "marshal of the court" is like leaving it to the folks in Mayberry.
 
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Scotus Justices are just people, and people make mistakes all the time. Whether they are happy it happened has almost nothing to do with the issue.
It actually has a lot to do with "the issue," which is the way the Court conducts its business. Historically that has been solidly based on collaboration and trust, and importantly, in a way that binds the justices and employees not just of a single term, but across terms. I don't think that there can be much doubt that "Appendix A" to the Marshall's report is going to recommend a lot of IT and other security procedures that will, fairly obviously, send something of the opposite message, and will make the basic internal operational dynamics considerably more difficult.
 
This. From the rumoring the justices weren't directly questioned, and the investigation should have been given to professional people, not the marshal of the court. They did not have the appropriate skills, or tools to do this investigation.

If it’s true they didn’t interview the justices, then this investigation immediately loses all credibility.
 
It actually has a lot to do with "the issue," which is the way the Court conducts its business. Historically that has been solidly based on collaboration and trust, and importantly, in a way that binds the justices and employees not just of a single term, but across terms. I don't think that there can be much doubt that "Appendix A" to the Marshall's report is going to recommend a lot of IT and other security procedures that will, fairly obviously, send something of the opposite message, and will make the basic internal operational dynamics considerably more difficult.

You're in the weeds. I was simply saying an individual Justice's feelings doesn'tpreclude them from being responsible.

How they choose to do buisness with each other and the paranoia that comes in the wake of this leak is way outside of anything I(or really anyone outside of their inner circle) would ever know about.
 
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I'm shocked that the people responsible for leaking the Dobbs draft couldn't find the people who leaked the Dobbs draft.
 
I will confess to some surprise at the inability to identify the source and mechanism of the leak.

For those of you who insist that you know the real leaker, regardless of your side, you are obviously full of shit. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about if you think any of the justices are hunky-dory with this.
There has been great reporting lately that the court is dysfunctional right now, and there is a level of personal animosity not seen, since, well, ever. It has broken out into the public several times. The SCOTUS has an approval rating of 25 percent right now. If you want to say they aren't a political body so that doesn't matter, well, you used to be right, and people are now seeing it as just another down the line party vote entity. This leak didn't help that, and the bungled investigation didn't help, either.
 
The leak of the ruling has to be viewed by whom it benefits and who it hurts.

Did it benefit the Conservatives on the court? Absolutely not. It turned into a huge security nightmare.

Would it hurt the democrats? No. Would it help the democrats. Absolutely. It created enough chaos that it could potentially sway a justice to switch their position.
 
The leak of the ruling has to be viewed by whom it benefits and who it hurts.

Did it benefit the Conservatives on the court? Absolutely not. It turned into a huge security nightmare.

Would it hurt the democrats? No. Would it help the democrats. Absolutely. It created enough chaos that it could potentially sway a justice to switch their position.
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