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Surprised at the negativity. It was the #3 team in the country, after all

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Losing last night was a shame. The Hawkeyes controlled that game from the opening tip to 2.5 minutes to play. And then all that great work for 37.5 minutes went for nothing. But ISU is the #3 team in the damn country. So maybe unranked Iowa did a helluva job to stay on the same floor with such a great team.

I was ready for Fran to leave years ago. I hope we have a new head basketball coach for the men's program for next season. I'm tired of Iowa being soft on the boards and constantly getting outrebounded. But last night Iowa was playing the #3 team in the country, and Iowa outplayed them for 37.5 minutes. Those are the facts.

Izzo's MSU teams generally play tough nonconference schedules, and they lose many of those games against Duke or Kentucky or other top 25 teams, and they don't always play those teams as well as Iowa played ISU last night. But MSU almost always is competing for the BIG title and plays well in the NCAA tourney, unlike the Hawkeyes. So I can understand where people are coming from, but just based on last night itself, the Hawkeyes were great. ISU, finally, was greater. So based on that, if ISU is #3, Iowa must be a top ten team.

Iowa has lost by 2 @ #14 Michigan. It lost last night to #3 ISU by a score that in no way reflects the overall game. What matters is what happens the rest of the way. If Iowa continues to improve and continues to play hard and learns from such losses, then the season could end up being a good one. But it would be a revelation if the Hawkeyes could get after it on the boards.
 
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A lot of it is jealousy for a better run program and rival. If they can do it, why can’t we?

You think Ryan Day has it easy, rn? People want his head.

These are the things that prompt change.
 
QChawks said:
well, nearly all hawk fans predicted a loss. It was really gut wrenching to watch them piss away the game in the last five minutes.
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Exactly it wasn’t the fact that we lost. It’s more of how and why we lost. You just hate to watch the same sins being repeated over and over year after year. I told myself I wasn’t going to get upset with Iowa basketball this year because there really isn’t any point as long as Fran is the coach, However, I got a little glimpse of hope last night and honestly that’s my fault. I should’ve known better.
 
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I sometimes wonder if it's because we watch the Hawks every game and can see the mistakes of each player. Plus, there isn't any other great team in the nation that loses at the end of the game. Never happens. Good grief. Just a few years ago we were down so far to MSU and came back to beat them. It happens.
 
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iowamike21 said:
Losing last night was a shame. The Hawkeyes controlled that game from the opening tip to 2.5 minutes to play. And then all that great work for 37.5 minutes went for nothing. But ISU is the #3 team in the damn country. So maybe unranked Iowa did a helluva job to stay on the same floor with such a great team.

I was ready for Fran to leave years ago. I hope we have a new head basketball coach for the men's program for next season. I'm tired of Iowa being soft on the boards and constantly getting outrebounded. But last night Iowa was playing the #3 team in the country, and Iowa outplayed them for 37.5 minutes. Those are the facts.

Izzo's MSU teams generally play tough nonconference schedules, and they lose many of those games against Duke or Kentucky or other top 25 teams, and they don't always play those teams as well as Iowa played ISU last night. But MSU almost always is competing for the BIG title and plays well in the NCAA tourney, unlike the Hawkeyes. So I can understand where people are coming from, but just based on last night itself, the Hawkeyes were great. ISU, finally, was greater. So based on that, if ISU is #3, Iowa must be a top ten team.

Iowa has lost by 2 @ #14 Michigan. It lost last night to #3 ISU by a score that in no way reflects the overall game. What matters is what happens the rest of the way. If Iowa continues to improve and continues to play hard and learns from such losses, then the season could end up being a good one. But it would be a revelation if the Hawkeyes could get after it on the boards.
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Maybe it's a recognition that ISU has the better of it when it comes to the only 2 programs that really matter on a national level. That's tough to accept for a lot of Iowa fans.
 
iowamike21 said:
So based on that, if ISU is #3, Iowa must be a top ten team.
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Absolutely. You got it, buddy. 100%.

The real top ten (for people who know ball) is:

1. Tennessee
2. Auburn
3. Iowa State
4. Michigan
5. Utah State
6. Iowa
7. Northwestern
8. Duke
9. Kentucky
10. Marquette

Look, #6 obviously isn't where we want to be but we've got 80% of the season left to improve before our run to a national championship.
 
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HawkeyeGenius said:
NET dropped 11. It made things a lot more difficult. Needed last night or Michigan.
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And the next meaningful matchup is against the mediocre NET #63 utes.
A loss there would put a lot of pressure on conference performance to keep tourney hopes alive.
 
SDHawkDoc said:
And the next meaningful matchup is against the mediocre NET #63 utes.
A loss there would put a lot of pressure on conference performance to keep tourney hopes alive.
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A loss there if you ask me means 12-8 or better in conference. Utah is a god awful matchup too for Iowa.
 
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There are always overly negative feelings after every loss. That’s just the way it is.

Yes, the Hawks played well. And lost. They played well in the second half against Michigan. And lost. Yes, ISU is ranked #3. That is not an excuse for falling apart the last 5 minutes. When your game plan is to hope you shoot a high percent of 3’s or that the other team has an off night, that will win you some games but fail come tourney time. Iowa actually played some defense but couldn’t sustain it for 40 minutes. You also need to rebound. Fran seems to be either unwilling or unable to teach these effectively.

I realize many fans are petrified with fear over a coaching change. They are 100% convinced we will get another Lickliter, and that the Hawks are guaranteed to become bottom dwellers. They repeatedly claim no good coach would ever come to Iowa (which is nonsense…..ISU managed to get a guy who took a team that went winless in their conference to a Sweet 16 his first year, twice in his first 3, and now has them as a legitimate Final Four threat in Year 4….Fran has been a head coach nearly 30;years and has NEVER gone to a Sweet 16).

Hawk fans are a complacent bunch. Make the tourney fairly regularly, have a winning record, and all is fine and dandy. “Good enough” is good enough. Never swing for the fence because you might strike out. A single or the occasional double will suffice. Aw shucks, we’re just little ol’ Iowa, and that is all we will ever be.

No, I am not saying Iowa will ever be a blue blood or compete for Final Fours every year. But the Hawks can do better. There has been nearly 100 teams that have made the Sweet 16 since Iowa last did it. That is INEXCUSABLE. There is absolutely NO REASON why Iowa can’t make a Sweet 16 at least once every few years. That is not too much to ask.

And no, I am not calling for Fran to be fired. That is pointless. It is not my decision to make. I appreciate all he had done, but I am ready for him to move on. He is what he is. Iowa will never have a bad team with him, but will also likely never be a threat to do anything more than 1 and done in the tourney. Fan apathy has set in. The program is stale. Fran has been around too long and just doesn’t seem to have the passion he used to have. Maybe he does, but it doesn’t seem like it.

As for the team itself….I think they are better this year. NCAA tournament level? Maybe, but probably not. I think they will surprise a few people, but also lose a few games they shouldn’t. No real threat to do anything come March. A winning record and early exit in whatever post season tournament they play in. Enough to make most Hawkeye fans happy.
 
iowamike21 said:
Losing last night was a shame. The Hawkeyes controlled that game from the opening tip to 2.5 minutes to play. And then all that great work for 37.5 minutes went for nothing. But ISU is the #3 team in the damn country. So maybe unranked Iowa did a helluva job to stay on the same floor with such a great team.

I was ready for Fran to leave years ago. I hope we have a new head basketball coach for the men's program for next season. I'm tired of Iowa being soft on the boards and constantly getting outrebounded. But last night Iowa was playing the #3 team in the country, and Iowa outplayed them for 37.5 minutes. Those are the facts.

Izzo's MSU teams generally play tough nonconference schedules, and they lose many of those games against Duke or Kentucky or other top 25 teams, and they don't always play those teams as well as Iowa played ISU last night. But MSU almost always is competing for the BIG title and plays well in the NCAA tourney, unlike the Hawkeyes. So I can understand where people are coming from, but just based on last night itself, the Hawkeyes were great. ISU, finally, was greater. So based on that, if ISU is #3, Iowa must be a top ten team.

Iowa has lost by 2 @ #14 Michigan. It lost last night to #3 ISU by a score that in no way reflects the overall game. What matters is what happens the rest of the way. If Iowa continues to improve and continues to play hard and learns from such losses, then the season could end up being a good one. But it would be a revelation if the Hawkeyes could get after it on the boards.
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Yes, but how can ISU become a top 5 team while we remain perennially a big pile of shit?
 
I don't think many people have a problem with the game.
The effort was there, the offense was there, the defense was far better than normal. Just the rebounding was bad.
My problem: where is that effort in the other games???
 
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Letsgohawks411 said:
Yes, but how can ISU become a top 5 team while we remain perennially a big pile of shit?
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superior defensive effort and not accepting anything less. TJ dumped a 5* and the Osky 7' kid because they would not give the effort required to play high level defense.
Defense leads to easy offense in basketball.
 
iowamike21 said:
Losing last night was a shame. The Hawkeyes controlled that game from the opening tip to 2.5 minutes to play. And then all that great work for 37.5 minutes went for nothing. But ISU is the #3 team in the damn country. So maybe unranked Iowa did a helluva job to stay on the same floor with such a great team.

I was ready for Fran to leave years ago. I hope we have a new head basketball coach for the men's program for next season. I'm tired of Iowa being soft on the boards and constantly getting outrebounded. But last night Iowa was playing the #3 team in the country, and Iowa outplayed them for 37.5 minutes. Those are the facts.

Izzo's MSU teams generally play tough nonconference schedules, and they lose many of those games against Duke or Kentucky or other top 25 teams, and they don't always play those teams as well as Iowa played ISU last night. But MSU almost always is competing for the BIG title and plays well in the NCAA tourney, unlike the Hawkeyes. So I can understand where people are coming from, but just based on last night itself, the Hawkeyes were great. ISU, finally, was greater. So based on that, if ISU is #3, Iowa must be a top ten team.

Iowa has lost by 2 @ #14 Michigan. It lost last night to #3 ISU by a score that in no way reflects the overall game. What matters is what happens the rest of the way. If Iowa continues to improve and continues to play hard and learns from such losses, then the season could end up being a good one. But it would be a revelation if the Hawkeyes could get after it on the boards.
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Thanks for summing up my thread from last night
 
Legs94 said:
Exactly it wasn’t the fact that we lost. It’s more of how and why we lost. You just hate to watch the same sins being repeated over and over year after year. I told myself I wasn’t going to get upset with Iowa basketball this year because there really isn’t any point as long as Fran is the coach, However, I got a little glimpse of hope last night and honestly that’s my fault. I should’ve known better.
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I will always watch Hawkeye men's BBall, but try to limit my emotional connection until McCaffery is gone. So, in the meantime I watch/root for the women, Creighton/McDermott, and now West Virginia/DeVries.
 
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HawkeyeGenius said:
NET dropped 11. It made things a lot more difficult. Needed last night or Michigan.
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Sure, either one would have been nice. Both would have been awesome. And the Hawkeyes were RIGHT there both times . . .

But I hear there are a few games left, so maybe losing to #3 and #14, especially in such closely contested games, isn't the end of the college basketball world after all.
 
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Sure, either one would have been nice. Both would have been awesome. And the Hawkeyes were RIGHT there both times . . .

But I hear there are a few games left, so maybe losing to #3 and #14, especially in such closely contested games, isn't the end of the college basketball world after all.
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Love your optimism but I just don’t trust Fran in close games.
 
DewHawk said:
I will always watch Hawkeye men's BBall, but try to limit my emotional connection until McCaffery is gone. So, in the meantime I watch/root for the women, Creighton/McDermott, and now West Virginia/DeVries.
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That's how I've been since the Richmond game.

Hearing about how young we are and the future is really bright, or how we "almost" won this game or that game, or "It's the #3 team in the country, what did you expect?" rings hollow these days. It seems like those promises of future riches never materializes.
 
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hawksense said:
If they would’ve won, I would’ve chalked it up to a rivalry game where you get maximum effort and intensity. It’s not really a projection on the season.

They showed well, but it’s not repeatable, IMO
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This. Iowa always seems to play well against ISU in Carver. If I heard right, this was their first win in CHA since 2014?

I honestly was not the least bit surprised to see Iowa leading much of that game.
 
negativity was due to losing because of the usual reasons: soft play, no defense, no rebounding
people who are still watching are sick of it but many have tuned out, I'm personally done with the fran era
 
ZumaHawk said:
I sometimes wonder if it's because we watch the Hawks every game and can see the mistakes of each player. Plus, there isn't any other great team in the nation that loses at the end of the game. Never happens. Good grief. Just a few years ago we were down so far to MSU and came back to beat them. It happens.
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Just not true. Good teams lose close games to other good teams, even when they have a lead down the stretch. If you watch any amount of college ball, you see this happen with regularity. That's why there aren't any good undefeated teams at the end of every season.
 
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Ronman said:
Just not true. Good teams lose close games to other good teams, even when they have a lead down the stretch. If you watch any amount of college ball, you see this happen with regularity. That's why there aren't any good undefeated teams at the end of every season.
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I’m definitely not a writer but you missed my point altogether. What you wrote back to me is exactly what I was saying. Good teams lose sometimes too. If you continue reading my post I think you will understand. 🤷‍♂️
 
Am I the only one who was screaming at my TV near the end of the first half, when ISU had the ball and Iowa had a foul to give, but didn't take it? That is BAD coaching.
 
I wouldn't consider myself overall negative about the Hawkeyes losing last night, as I figured they would anyways.

Its because of Fran's severe aversion to impressing upon his squad the importance of rebounding that ticks me off. More than EIGHTEEN offensive rebounds for ISU last night and 20+ extra ISU points as a direct result of those. And then compound that frustration with the fact that it happens ALL. THE. TIME!


Hawks would very likely be undefeated right now if they'd just ****ing limit the opposition's extra chances per possession to put the ball in the basket. Its literally as simple and basic as that. But they don't and they deserve those 3 losses they have because of it.
 
7 more FG atts and 7 more FT atts. And, with out Dembele’s surprise effort, we were sunk.
 
iowamike21 said:
Losing last night was a shame. The Hawkeyes controlled that game from the opening tip to 2.5 minutes to play. And then all that great work for 37.5 minutes went for nothing. But ISU is the #3 team in the damn country. So maybe unranked Iowa did a helluva job to stay on the same floor with such a great team.

I was ready for Fran to leave years ago. I hope we have a new head basketball coach for the men's program for next season. I'm tired of Iowa being soft on the boards and constantly getting outrebounded. But last night Iowa was playing the #3 team in the country, and Iowa outplayed them for 37.5 minutes. Those are the facts.

Izzo's MSU teams generally play tough nonconference schedules, and they lose many of those games against Duke or Kentucky or other top 25 teams, and they don't always play those teams as well as Iowa played ISU last night. But MSU almost always is competing for the BIG title and plays well in the NCAA tourney, unlike the Hawkeyes. So I can understand where people are coming from, but just based on last night itself, the Hawkeyes were great. ISU, finally, was greater. So based on that, if ISU is #3, Iowa must be a top ten team.

Iowa has lost by 2 @ #14 Michigan. It lost last night to #3 ISU by a score that in no way reflects the overall game. What matters is what happens the rest of the way. If Iowa continues to improve and continues to play hard and learns from such losses, then the season could end up being a good one. But it would be a revelation if the Hawkeyes could get after it on the boards.
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Hard to lose to the trash Moo U fanbase. 🤮
 
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Maybe it's a recognition that ISU has the better of it when it comes to the only 2 programs that really matter on a national level. That's tough to accept for a lot of Iowa fans.
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Where’s Steve Prohm when you need him? 😉
 
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