The crazy thing about this dumb ejection is if he would have missiled in head first at the guys knees, he would have been at much more risk of hurting himself and more likely turning the guys knee backwards. That would have been perfectly legal. This rule is stupid and for the replay to uphold it is crazy.
Targeting Bull Crap
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My concern is (while I do feel bad for Gerry getting the boot) the implications calls like these have on football in general. Everybody wonders why knee/ACL/MCL injuries seem to occur so much more frequently in the NFL and College Football than they used to. Well, no player wants to be ejected, so at this point, it's easiest to simply launch your body at legs so you don't risk "hitting a defenseless" receiver a couple inches too high.
I saw several plays in football today, where it looked like a receiver caught a ball, a defender flew in low, and the receiver's knee or knees turned awkwardly. For me, that's more scary than the hit we saw by Gerry tonight.
Maybe football at all levels should just make colored zones on players that are acceptable to hit, and automatically assess a 15 yard penalty if a player isn't hit in those zones... I mean I'm being sarcastic, but that seems to be the way football is trending.
I saw several plays in football today, where it looked like a receiver caught a ball, a defender flew in low, and the receiver's knee or knees turned awkwardly. For me, that's more scary than the hit we saw by Gerry tonight.
Maybe football at all levels should just make colored zones on players that are acceptable to hit, and automatically assess a 15 yard penalty if a player isn't hit in those zones... I mean I'm being sarcastic, but that seems to be the way football is trending.
they are for sure gonna have to figure all this out, a solution. we will be , in 20 years, saying, "remember 20 years ago that crazy head targeting thing?"
fett it, a bad call is a bad call, go chop down those trees in the Rose Bowl Hawks...The Huskers being in the BIG is hard on me, I always cheered for the Hawkeyes before the Big 12 exploded. Iowa was my big ten team. Cant wait for all the black Friday games!! Get Em Black N Gold
Explain an ejection for THIS!!!
.....Mike Riley in tunnel after half ended: "I don't even know what this game is about anymore." Referencing Gerry ejection. #Huskers @KETV.......
I can tell you what it's about Mike. It's about the pussification rule....now known as the Will Smith rule or some shit.
If a man can't tackle the man with the ball, then there is really no point in playing the game at all.
.....Mike Riley in tunnel after half ended: "I don't even know what this game is about anymore." Referencing Gerry ejection. #Huskers @KETV.......
I can tell you what it's about Mike. It's about the pussification rule....now known as the Will Smith rule or some shit.
If a man can't tackle the man with the ball, then there is really no point in playing the game at all.
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I didn't see the game, but if that was called targeting and he was ejected...wow.
I agree, what could the review official be watching. When they showed the opposite camera view that the field official saw, I thought 'well, I guess he thought he saw targeting from that angle.' But to look at it and "confirm" it? c'mon man! From the camera angle we had as viewers, it didn't look like targeting in real time either, but to "confirm" it? wow.
KEY INDICATORS
Risk of a foul is high with one or more of these:
These indicate less risk of a foul:
What did they see?
Risk of a foul is high with one or more of these:
- Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make contact in the head or neck area - NOPE
- A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with contact at the head or neck area—even though one or both feet are still on the ground - NOPE
- Leading with helmet, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with contact at the head or neck area - NOPE
- Lowering the head before attacking by initiating contact with the crown of the helmet - NOPE
These indicate less risk of a foul:
- Heads-up tackle in which the crown of the helmet does not strike above the shoulders - YES
- Wrap-up tackle - YES
- Head is to the side rather than being used to initiate contact - YES
- Incidental helmet contact that is not part of targeting but is due to the players changing position during the course of play - YES
What did they see?
Explain an ejection for THIS!!!
.....Mike Riley in tunnel after half ended: "I don't even know what this game is about anymore." Referencing Gerry ejection. #Huskers @KETV.......
I can tell you what it's about Mike. It's about the pussification rule....now known as the Will Smith rule or some shit.
If a man can't tackle the man with the ball, then there is really no point in playing the game at all.
The replay official should never do another game.
They should use this replay as instruction on how to properly make a form tackle.
The initial contact was facemask to facemask. If you think that is text book tackling you are completely wrong.
Do you think you should Initiate contact with your face?
This entire thread is delusional.
If that is an ejectable tackle then let's just shut the game down. Seriously guys are different heights and players duck at times so if your helmet grazes a face mask in the process of making a form tackle that's a target? I'm all for taking out the dirty head hunting plays but that ejection was really, really bad.
How about MSU's Riley Bullough's launched, no wrap, helmet-to-helmet hit on Kittle in the end zone that created an INT in the championship game? The back judge was standing right there but it was not flagged yet this tackle results in an ejection. Bullough's was a text book target.
Mora was over talking to Gerry during the review time out. You could tell he was like 'dude that was a great tackle'.
How about MSU's Riley Bullough's launched, no wrap, helmet-to-helmet hit on Kittle in the end zone that created an INT in the championship game? The back judge was standing right there but it was not flagged yet this tackle results in an ejection. Bullough's was a text book target.
Mora was over talking to Gerry during the review time out. You could tell he was like 'dude that was a great tackle'.
I think the refs probably knew it wasn't really targeting, but were forced to go by the way the rule is read in making the call. Much like the silly rule of completing a catch rule. Both announcers, the ESPN replay guy, Saunders, May, Herbstreit, and many others said it was a bad call. Even the official behind Riley was shaking his head when he heard the call. The thread is not delusional. To say it wasn't at least a controversial call, is delusional.
Gerry was ejected for playing tackle football. The NCAA has to do something about these obvious missed calls...which seemed to increase in fequency this year.
I basically agree. Side of helmet to face mask, but still head to head initially, so maybe that forced the officials to make the call and stick with it after the replay. Is it targeting to go in with your head to the torso? Seriously, I don't know how the rule is worded. Dennis Byrd and Eric Legrand were both injured by crown of helmet to torso injurie, so those are really dangerous too. I guess the rule is really aimed at preventing head rather than neck injuries though. I think there should be some subjectivity in making these calls.
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It was a terrible call which happens all the time.
This has nothing to do with concussions and attempts to make the game safer. This thread should be about how officials should be paid more and held accountable for this crap and the easy changes that should be made to the replay rules.
This has nothing to do with concussions and attempts to make the game safer. This thread should be about how officials should be paid more and held accountable for this crap and the easy changes that should be made to the replay rules.
Agreed, terrible call, particularly since it results in an ejection. If that tackle was targeting, then there are probably 3-10 such plays in virtually every game that should lead to an ejection too. Sounds like a fun game to watch...not!
If he had lowered his head, then yes, that could be considered targeting, but he did not.
Perfect form tackle probably needs to be a little lowere but given the position of the players this was very good tackle. The fact is that a perfect tackle will always lead with the head because if you haven't noticed when you bend at your waist, the sticks out further than your shoulder as you move forward. The key is moving your head to side which was done and using your arms which was done. This was terrible call. To think this made it through review, but Beckham did not is a travesty for the game
Interestingly enough, when I was searching the Internet for commentary on this hit I found a number of articles which mentioned the Iowa targeting call. While most were in agreement that the one from Gerry on Smith was textbook targeting, there were a number that said it wasn't and just a plain good hit.
the problem is: they have turned football into a medal sport in the Olympics, we have judges, they are judging figure skating now or the gymnastics moves or something, rather than judging the scoreboard at the end of the game
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I hate Nebraska as much as the next sentient being, BUT have played football in college and beyond, and being a passionate college football fan, that "targeting" call made me sick. These kids work too hard to have some joker in the video booth kick them out of a bowl game for making a perfect tackle. It was easy for me to imagine if that were me, or if that were one of the Hawkeye stars in the Rose Bowl. The mere thought of either scenario left me angry and frustrated. This kind of BS cannot be allowed to stand.
Nobody wants to see anyone get hurt, and it is vital to protect players as much as reasonably possible, so the flag might not have been totally inconceivable, but for the call to be upheld after a long, long review is just beyond comprehension. Nobody else in the known universe believes that was targeting, including UCLA. But one person in a video booth kicks a kid out for nothing but a great tackle. It's despicable. Deplorable. Unacceptable.
And then Iowa suffers the textbook helmet-to-helmet in the end zone that, literally, costs Iowa the game and a shot at the national title, and NOTHING is called. The whole targeting and video review things are BS.
Nobody wants to see anyone get hurt, and it is vital to protect players as much as reasonably possible, so the flag might not have been totally inconceivable, but for the call to be upheld after a long, long review is just beyond comprehension. Nobody else in the known universe believes that was targeting, including UCLA. But one person in a video booth kicks a kid out for nothing but a great tackle. It's despicable. Deplorable. Unacceptable.
And then Iowa suffers the textbook helmet-to-helmet in the end zone that, literally, costs Iowa the game and a shot at the national title, and NOTHING is called. The whole targeting and video review things are BS.
There's no reason the nebraska kid had to come in so high that his helmet had to make *any* contact with the receiver's head, let alone first contact.
A form tackle would have been putting his shoulder pad on the other guy's numbers. I learned that in HS, but they probably don't teach that in Nebraska.
A form tackle would have been putting his shoulder pad on the other guy's numbers. I learned that in HS, but they probably don't teach that in Nebraska.
If you don't think that is a good tackle then you have never tackled anything in your life but a salad bar.
Yes, he will now be unfairly tagged as a dirty player and draw increased scrutiny next year. It reminds me of Adam Woodbury getting a similar tag after he accidently poked a couple guys in the eye a couple years ago in basketball.
So you think a good tackle is initiated with facemask to facemask? Is that how you were taught? I was taught to hit with a shoulder to the gut, my head to the side, and drive through the player.
Your coaches taught you to hit face to face, the wrap your arms around his shoulder pads?
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Some of you have clearly never played the game. That was a great tackle and perfectly legal. End of story.
Gerry's facemask hits the shoulder pad not the opponent's face mask and never moves from that spot. If you see helmet to helmet you need to take off your husker hater glasses.
Never launches, never targets, wraps up... The game video shows Gerry move his head to the side prior to making contact. There is a reason every national pundit has remarked how horrible the call was... If you post here that this was targeting you have never played the game or are blinded by a stupid hatred for another team. Period.
Never launches, never targets, wraps up... The game video shows Gerry move his head to the side prior to making contact. There is a reason every national pundit has remarked how horrible the call was... If you post here that this was targeting you have never played the game or are blinded by a stupid hatred for another team. Period.
I'm only stating that was clearly not "perfect form tackling".
The people that argue that it was perfect - clearly never were taught the right way - if they were taught at all.
Should he have been ejected in this case - probably not.
Should it have been a PF 15 yarder - i don't care / don't know. Would have made no difference in the game.
Glad Nebby finally became bowl eligible - and shut Denny Kanall up for a few days ... Cheers
The people that argue that it was perfect - clearly never were taught the right way - if they were taught at all.
Should he have been ejected in this case - probably not.
Should it have been a PF 15 yarder - i don't care / don't know. Would have made no difference in the game.
Glad Nebby finally became bowl eligible - and shut Denny Kanall up for a few days ... Cheers
Obviously not a perfect form tackle. You see only a handful of those a game anymore, and not because the players don't know how to tackle, rather due to the speed and physicality of the game.
That being said, it was a "fine" tackle.
The call will not ruin football. Rather, the call is an indication of a trend/trends that will ruin football.
Bravo. This single play translates to a big step in the wrong direction.
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I'm not sure why people call this a perfect form tackle. It was a pretty good tackle but it was too high to be considered great form. Regardless of that, it was in no way a penalty. His ear hole hits the guys facemask and that's it. Nice hit and most players are commended for making that play, not ejected.
He definitely tackled too high, but I still disagree with the targeting call + ejection. I think there needs to be a high bar to take a player out of the game and I don't think this was anywhere near that level. That said, it was not a "text book" tackle because he did come in about 6 inches too high.
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